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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 17-02-2021 23:02
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I sent the race planning to Croatia14 today. So I don't need to do anything for now?
The user formerly known as 'The Schleck Fan'
Gracias Alberto.
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 17-02-2021 23:45
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Bikex wrote:
@Fabianski: You won't be removed from a race you entered. If you want you can still make small changes to your race selection yourself.
Thanks. No, I won't make any changes, I'm happy I got all the races I applied for, including WT ones  Can't wait to get the season started 
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Posted on 25-11-2024 09:01
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| cio93 |
Posted on 18-02-2021 00:29
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Me: spends an entire afternoon planning most of the season with pen&paper.
Also me: only now realizes a full lineup is 7 riders per race in ICL and not 8.
That'll take a while to fix. 
At least it means we won't have to send smaller teams to a quarter of our races...
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| OZrocker |
Posted on 18-02-2021 01:31
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Actually, full teams for some races are different amounts. GTs are 8 riders, while some of the TT events are a maximum of 3. Definitely worth checking before you confirm your planning.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 18-02-2021 02:09
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OZrocker wrote:
Actually, full teams for some races are different amounts. GTs are 8 riders, while some of the TT events are a maximum of 3. Definitely worth checking before you confirm your planning.
Thank you, but we're not participating in any special events. (yet...)
Bikex wrote:
cio93 wrote:
I promised my nephew to do at least some of race selection and planning together, and we can finally get around to it tomorrow, so both tasks should come in soon after.
Good to see that you are doing your part in training future managing talents
He's 12 and has never heard of Armstrong or Ullrich, but he can tell you every single Bewley stat in the MG DB or where Festina finished in 2015, and he demanded daily updates on both the MG and ICL transfer seasons after having been involved in planning the strategies. 
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 18-02-2021 02:47
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cio93 wrote:
OZrocker wrote:
Actually, full teams for some races are different amounts. GTs are 8 riders, while some of the TT events are a maximum of 3. Definitely worth checking before you confirm your planning.
Thank you, but we're not participating in any special events. (yet...)
Bikex wrote:
cio93 wrote:
I promised my nephew to do at least some of race selection and planning together, and we can finally get around to it tomorrow, so both tasks should come in soon after.
Good to see that you are doing your part in training future managing talents
He's 12 and has never heard of Armstrong or Ullrich, but he can tell you every single Bewley stat in the MG DB or where Festina finished in 2015, and he demanded daily updates on both the MG and ICL transfer seasons after having been involved in planning the strategies.
Honestly if he's that into it, he should make an account and jump in next time!
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 18-02-2021 03:07
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cio93 wrote:
Me: spends an entire afternoon planning most of the season with pen&paper.
Also me: only now realizes a full lineup is 7 riders per race in ICL and not 8.
Been there - I had a panicked PM to Bikex because there is WT triple conflict and that meant I needed 24 riders, and I can't send reduce squads to WT races and I only have 25 riders and didn't want my leaders to have to to race in any of the triple conflicts. And then I felt stupid when he pointed out I only needed 21.
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| Nemolito |
Posted on 18-02-2021 09:09
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He would definitely be a great addition if he's that into it indeed If he doesn't know English, this will be the perfect school for him (just as runescape was for me +- 14 years ago )
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 18-02-2021 21:40
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Is there a development incentive to using up all your prospects race days?
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 19-02-2021 06:00
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Will send main team planning this weekend. Might need some more time for U23.
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| Ripley |
Posted on 19-02-2021 07:55
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@bbl: I think there is. Though I recently asked Bikex about it for my youngest U23 riders and he couldn't remember.
@Abhi: U23 planning takes about 10 minutes. Maybe 20 if you're being thorough. I already handed that in, I have to go through my main team once more, should get it done tomorrow.
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 19-02-2021 16:22
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Concerning U23: How much of a "penalty" is there actually if you let a >71 AVG or 23 y.o. ride for the junior team? As far as I understand, development in the main squad depends quite a lot on results, which those are unlikely to get, so can they actually benefit more from staying in the U23 team? (I know this selection is already done, but just asking for next year...)
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| Bikex |
Posted on 20-02-2021 12:10
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Race days used up have a small influence on development but there it is only looked at the number of used up race days, not whether all are used up. So the difference between a few days more or less is neglectible.
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Concerning U23: How much of a "penalty" is there actually if you let a >71 AVG or 23 y.o. ride for the junior team? As far as I understand, development in the main squad depends quite a lot on results, which those are unlikely to get, so can they actually benefit more from staying in the U23 team? (I know this selection is already done, but just asking for next year...)
There's actually not really a penalty (anymore). You are right that good U23 team riders can actually benefit quite a lot from riding in the dev team. |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 20-02-2021 12:21
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I updated the race planner with all team selections we've received already: https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread...st_1382823
Until the season starts we still need that from you + selection of focus races (in same post) |
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| OZrocker |
Posted on 21-02-2021 02:32
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Ripley wrote:
@Abhi: U23 planning takes about 10 minutes. Maybe 20 if you're being thorough. I already handed that in, I have to go through my main team once more, should get it done tomorrow.
Mine took much longer than that, but there's two reasons for that.
1. Because I'm a perfectionist who likes sending full teams to each race, and
2. I signed up for the maximum (+5) amount of races, leaving exactly one day's worth of racing left over, as you can see here
Probably not the best idea, but I made it work
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| Ripley |
Posted on 21-02-2021 07:20
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Fair enough, OZ, I have far more RD left over! But still, no overlaps to worry about, only having to leave out one rider per race... it's a lot simpler than planning the main team and I don't see it needing days to complete.
Anyway, I handed everything in yesterday.
We'll do the equipment selection again this season (we didn't do it last season), there'll be a post about that coming soon.
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 21-02-2021 12:15
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Yet one more of those plethora of details I overlooked Will keep in mind for next year...
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| OZrocker |
Posted on 21-02-2021 12:58
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It probably doesn't matter, to be honest. The more race days you have to fit in, the more compromised your calendar can become. My WT planning I signed up for (+0) and only had about 5 riders with days to spare. Even then, my weakest riders (Epalanga and Hope) both had about 50% of their possible race days filled.
For the U23s I don't care as much for the results and just want to get in as many race days for the young guys as possible. I think everyone has their own way of doing things and it's more a personal preference.
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| Ripley |
Posted on 21-02-2021 13:21
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The sponsor demands more race days for Epalanga!
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 21-02-2021 15:21
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Fabianski wrote:
Yet one more of those plethora of details I overlooked Will keep in mind for next year...
+1
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