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2015 Giro d'Italia - Week Three (24th - 31st May)
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| ruben |
Posted on 26-05-2015 21:42
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Strydz wrote:
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we have seen climbers before. You can not loose 4min. in TT to be GT winner.
We have also seen riders go through transformations as they mature
A. Schleck? Igor Anton?
At least Landa was always known for his climbing talent.
It's not like he is a time trial specialist who only finished in the bus who suddenly wins the Tour
Or a Kenian born guy who was mediocre at best before he magically turned into a GT superhero since the Vuelta 2011. |
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| Movistar |
Posted on 26-05-2015 22:28
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Froome.exe should stop twitter immediately. He tweeted this after a fan invaded the court at Roland Garros.
He clearly not heard about a crazy Steffi Graf fan stabbing Monica Seles on court in Hamburg.
Oh he has heard about it, he is just a little defensive bitch because he is clearly hiding something.
At least Porte is a likeable guy who unlike Froome will admit when he has himself made mistakes.
We went through this with Lance and he had much better results than Froome ever did before the doping started. But even Lance was a likeable guy when he was racing, just became a total dick after the fact.
Unlike Froome who has been a complete defensive dick since the moment he started winning races.
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| Movistar |
Posted on 26-05-2015 22:52
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Question for some of you other folks.
How often have a we seen a guy pace the entire penultimate climb of the day (one as crazy hard as this) and then go on to attack and win by 40 seconds.
This is an absurdly hard climb, and it didnt look like Landa was pushing the pace much on the front of the Mortirolo
If you look at the other riders who were strong today it doesnt lead me to believe Landa is questionable but curious what others think.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 26-05-2015 22:56
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Movistar wrote:
We went through this with Lance and he had much better results than Froome ever did before the doping started. But even Lance was a likeable guy when he was racing, just became a total dick after the fact.
Unlike Froome who has been a complete defensive dick since the moment he started winning races.
Edited by Spilak23 on 26-05-2015 22:57
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| GILA_JR |
Posted on 26-05-2015 23:00
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Today's stage was one of the best I've seen in the last years, amazing performance by Contador, that 5 kms alone going like a beast, it was incredible ( too sad his team cant help him at all)
Amazing performance by Kruijswijk fighting like a champ most stages, Landa and Hesjedal.
Time for Landa to shine i guess.
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| GILA_JR |
Posted on 26-05-2015 23:06
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Movistar wrote:
Question for some of you other folks.
How often have a we seen a guy pace the entire penultimate climb of the day (one as crazy hard as this) and then go on to attack and win by 40 seconds.
This is an absurdly hard climb, and it didnt look like Landa was pushing the pace much on the front of the Mortirolo
If you look at the other riders who were strong today it doesnt lead me to believe Landa is questionable but curious what others think.
Could be doped, he didnt even look tired to be honest but thats what he is, a climber, he did a shitty TT as expected and he is performing well in the mountain. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 26-05-2015 23:15
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Phew, that Mortirolo uphill ride by Contador will go down in history books. Really impressed and easily one of my favourite performances by him. On days like this, cycling torrents is gold.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Movistar |
Posted on 27-05-2015 00:03
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Shonak wrote:
Phew, that Mortirolo uphill ride by Contador will go down in history books. Really impressed and easily one of my favourite performances by him. On days like this, cycling torrents is gold.
100% one of the greatest individual climbs of all time.
Do we have historical time comparisons anywhere? |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 27-05-2015 04:38
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Movistar wrote:
Shonak wrote:
Phew, that Mortirolo uphill ride by Contador will go down in history books. Really impressed and easily one of my favourite performances by him. On days like this, cycling torrents is gold.
100% one of the greatest individual climbs of all time.
Do we have historical time comparisons anywhere?
https://www.climbing-records.com/2015/...-2015.html
Have a look here for comparisons
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
Don Rd Launching Place
Melbourne Hill Rd Warrandyte
Colby Drive Belgrave South
William Rd The Patch
David Hill Rd Monbulk
Lakeside Drive Emerald
https://www.everesting.cc/hall-of-fame/ |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 27-05-2015 04:44
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ruben wrote:
contador today 5,8 w/kg on mortirolo
yeah so suspicious and dodgy
the only reason we are seeing names as trofimov, amador, landa, kruijswijk, geniez etc doing so well is because the of the poor level at the moment. Contador is probably actually hampered by injury but still way too good.
THe wattages and climb times are simply not fast. Aru last year was faster than Aru this year
So are saying they are clean? Because there is noway way these guys are racing clean, Contador went up the Mortirolo in 45:16, Basso in 2006 went up it in 44:32 and he that year was full mutant. Contador's performance was dodgy and suspicious but that goes for a heap of the riders. The Peloton isn't clean, they are just doping in a different way
Edited by Strydz on 27-05-2015 04:49
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
Don Rd Launching Place
Melbourne Hill Rd Warrandyte
Colby Drive Belgrave South
William Rd The Patch
David Hill Rd Monbulk
Lakeside Drive Emerald
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 27-05-2015 04:55
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Contador and Landa could have gone up alot faster too, they were happy taking Kruijswijks pace, we all know they can go faster up there then Kruijswijk, no disrespect to him. |
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| Gino_Bartali |
Posted on 27-05-2015 05:11
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Similarly to the Giro 2011 Contador can win this by giving 80 % only the entire race. Actually a pretty good prep-race for the Tour for him 
The only problem will be that beating on-form Quintana, Froome, Nibali will be too tough with Giro in the legs |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 27-05-2015 07:48
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Gino_Bartali wrote:
Similarly to the Giro 2011 Contador can win this by giving 80 % only the entire race. Actually a pretty good prep-race for the Tour for him
The only problem will be that beating on-form Quintana, Froome, Nibali will be too tough with Giro in the legs
stop that double gt win dream..do not torture yourself  |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 27-05-2015 09:31
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From the Inner Ring:
On the way to the Mortirolo Astana’s David Malacarne crashed and it caused a split in the bunch with Alberto Contador on the wrong side after a puncture – not the first time Contador’s had problems from bad meat.
Genius  
For those now frowning: Malacarne translates into 'bad meat'. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 27-05-2015 09:32
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ruben wrote:
Gino_Bartali wrote:
FINALLY Rabobank started to dope again! Was about time with the shit season they had no dope.
just kruijswijk having his 3rd week again. And finally no longer bothered by leg artery problem he had in 2012/2013 (surgery in 2013). Took him a while but he is back
Would still rate Mollema and Ten Dam's performance on Ax-3-Domaines and in genereal the first 2 weeks in 2013 way higher, beating everybody apart from Porte and Froome |
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 27-05-2015 09:56
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Astana like Sky, turning everyone into GC contenders.
I love the basques, but they are having the best cycling year since 2003. At Astana and Movistar everything is possible  !
Very surprised to see Landa just telling the cynical truth "we took advantage of Albertos mechanical" .. Arus sickness (bad blood micro dosaging) and attacks in the first week, he pays the price now. Aru could loose podium if hes gonna be this empty. Landa the new super responder ?
Fantastic stage epic ride up by Contador.
Stop hating on poooooor frooomy
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 27-05-2015 10:06
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I hope in a few years they will talk about "Contador re-started the trend of the elite gc contenders riding both Giro and Tour" .. Back in the days all even up until the late 90's we had so many big stars attending both races. It will create more entertainment, prestige, money, sponsorships etc if this can be a re-started era for modern cycling. No more only-TDF specialization |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 27-05-2015 10:40
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Ybodonk wrote:
I hope in a few years they will talk about "Contador re-started the trend of the elite gc contenders riding both Giro and Tour" .. Back in the days all even up until the late 90's we had so many big stars attending both races. It will create more entertainment, prestige, money, sponsorships etc if this can be a re-started era for modern cycling. No more only-TDF specialization
I seriously hope we wont see the return of this trend, as being good in these two GTs in 90s meant being doped to eyeballs and i cant see anybody being successful in these two races without dope, if there will be rested opponents who will target just one of these GTs.
Anyway, Astana are dirty cheats without any sense for fair play, time to kick these basterds out of cycling and ban their managment for life. Cycling can only benefit from that.
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 27-05-2015 12:32
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Ybodonk wrote:
I hope in a few years they will talk about "Contador re-started the trend of the elite gc contenders riding both Giro and Tour" .. Back in the days all even up until the late 90's we had so many big stars attending both races. It will create more entertainment, prestige, money, sponsorships etc if this can be a re-started era for modern cycling. No more only-TDF specialization
I seriously hope we wont see the return of this trend, as being good in these two GTs in 90s meant being doped to eyeballs and i cant see anybody being successful in these two races without dope, if there will be rested opponents who will target just one of these GTs.
Anyway, Astana are dirty cheats without any sense for fair play, time to kick these basterds out of cycling and ban their managment for life. Cycling can only benefit from that.
Well we both know that there is still a lot of dope among the elite in the peloton. However i agree it is way less than 90s and early 00s. But if the biggest names decides to all do it they will be racing under equally conditions. It is the whole culture imo that needs to change.
For instance they could reward it more in the ranking system, both with money prices for winning the World tour and make it more prestigous like the ballon d'or in soccer. Or create two ranking systems, one for GT's and week-long races, and the other for classics and other 1-4 days races.
It should be attractive and rewardfull for the best GC riders to do both Giro and Tour. |
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 27-05-2015 12:43
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Don't have time to read the whole thread to see if it's been convered, but what is (or can somebody link me to), the general opinion of Anton helping Contador? in my eyes he should be penalised at least a minute, because it's practically the same as Clarke helping Porte, just not as obvious.
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