Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I am with Guido on this one, why should even anybody care that there is some cycling race taking place? Delaying trains? I would sue the organisers for lost revenue if that happened and i was businessman waiting for that train. There are clear rules for rider and it is their choice if they want to trespass them (now they will trespass it for sure, cos nobody was DQed as they should). I dont think it will happen many times in the future, it was just bad timing and usually trains are not much of an issue...
Oh please, stop it
Stop what? You think everybody cares about some cycling race? It is on race organisers to set the route to likely avoid these problems, which happened as SN informs, but wind caused faster riding. But delaying the train next times for 30minutes because some riders cant follow the rules should not be an option, people in the train have their own things to catch up, so why rearange their regimes because of cycling race?
First of all, the race is +250 km long and the roads are all closed all day. Same goes for every other frickin race. Come back to me and tell me once again with a straight face that it simply isnt possible to cancel, I dont know, a few trains for a couple of hours on a SUNDAY once a year without bringing me your "I wanna sue the organaziation"-bullshit.
And to all the others: Yeah, its kinda almost too easy just to sit behind your keyboard and utter what kind of good things you guys would have done instead of those baaaad riders that crossed. The situation would probably have been a little different if your heartbeat was 170 and you suddenly saw the race that you trained all winter for disappear, literally, in front of you.
Riis123 wrote:
And to all the others: Yeah, its kinda almost too easy just to sit behind your keyboard and utter what kind of good things you guys would have done instead of those baaaad riders that crossed. The situation would probably have been a little different if your heartbeat was 170 and you suddenly saw the race that you trained all winter for disappear, literally, in front of you.
Fair point you have there. Obviously the riders weren't in the best position to evaluate the situation and decide accordingly, and that has to be taken into account.
However, the wrong decision was taken. In fact, a very wrong decision, hence why this shouldn't go unpunished. If a car goes into a rider, everything goes haywire, but when a cyclist goes into a closed train track we look the other way. It doesn't seem right to me.
and btw their HR was much lower than 170 at the time of the incident
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I am with Guido on this one, why should even anybody care that there is some cycling race taking place? Delaying trains? I would sue the organisers for lost revenue if that happened and i was businessman waiting for that train. There are clear rules for rider and it is their choice if they want to trespass them (now they will trespass it for sure, cos nobody was DQed as they should). I dont think it will happen many times in the future, it was just bad timing and usually trains are not much of an issue...
Oh please, stop it
Stop what? You think everybody cares about some cycling race? It is on race organisers to set the route to likely avoid these problems, which happened as SN informs, but wind caused faster riding. But delaying the train next times for 30minutes because some riders cant follow the rules should not be an option, people in the train have their own things to catch up, so why rearange their regimes because of cycling race?
First of all, the race is +250 km long and the roads are all closed all day. Same goes for every other frickin race. Come back to me and tell me once again with a straight face that it simply isnt possible to cancel, I dont know, a few trains for a couple of hours on a SUNDAY once a year without bringing me your "I wanna sue the organaziation"-bullshit.
And to all the others: Yeah, its kinda almost too easy just to sit behind your keyboard and utter what kind of good things you guys would have done instead of those baaaad riders that crossed. The situation would probably have been a little different if your heartbeat was 170 and you suddenly saw the race that you trained all winter for disappear, literally, in front of you.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I am with Guido on this one, why should even anybody care that there is some cycling race taking place? Delaying trains? I would sue the organisers for lost revenue if that happened and i was businessman waiting for that train. There are clear rules for rider and it is their choice if they want to trespass them (now they will trespass it for sure, cos nobody was DQed as they should). I dont think it will happen many times in the future, it was just bad timing and usually trains are not much of an issue...
Oh please, stop it
Stop what? You think everybody cares about some cycling race? It is on race organisers to set the route to likely avoid these problems, which happened as SN informs, but wind caused faster riding. But delaying the train next times for 30minutes because some riders cant follow the rules should not be an option, people in the train have their own things to catch up, so why rearange their regimes because of cycling race?
First of all, the race is +250 km long and the roads are all closed all day. Same goes for every other frickin race. Come back to me and tell me once again with a straight face that it simply isnt possible to cancel, I dont know, a few trains for a couple of hours on a SUNDAY once a year without bringing me your "I wanna sue the organaziation"-bullshit.
And to all the others: Yeah, its kinda almost too easy just to sit behind your keyboard and utter what kind of good things you guys would have done instead of those baaaad riders that crossed. The situation would probably have been a little different if your heartbeat was 170 and you suddenly saw the race that you trained all winter for disappear, literally, in front of you.
I guess mine would be around 185-190, but you are completely right.
The organization just shat their pants this time not DQS 50 riders.
At the end is worst being blamed for a death than for a wasted season, don't you think?
I think they DQ'd those 2 riders, because they had an advantage.
Also no-one died. The riders knew very well what they were doing. They crossed the train crossing, while the train was still far away. No-one did go over when it came close. Don't make a tragedy out of it.
Well, thankfully no one got hurt this time, which is a good thing, all that I can say, (although what they did was wrong) if something like this ever happens again, that this situation would be clarified and the riders wouldn't need to break the law again.
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ryant wrote:
Well, thankfully no one got hurt this time, which is a good thing, all that I can say, (although what they did was wrong) if something like this ever happens again, that this situation would be clarified and the riders wouldn't need to break the law again.
To be fair it is already in the UCI handbook so it is already 100% clear. It is just that the UCI are terrible at enforcing their own rules (like not riding on the bikepaths instead of the road).
Riis123 wrote:
[quote]Avin Wargunnson wrote:
[quote]Riis123 wrote:
And to all the others: Yeah, its kinda almost too easy just to sit behind your keyboard and utter what kind of good things you guys would have done instead of those baaaad riders that crossed. The situation would probably have been a little different if your heartbeat was 170 and you suddenly saw the race that you trained all winter for disappear, literally, in front of you.
Yes Riis, those bad riders! Also the bad race officials who didn't act and DQ/fine the riders who clearly could of stopped. It doesn't matter what the heart rate is beating at, unless the rules are enforced then why would the riders think twice the next time this happens? You say it's easy to comment from behind the keyboard but unless you ignored my post a few pages back then you would realise this one isn't easy for me to comment on, having personal experience with a train driver who suffered a mental breakdown which lead to suicide thanks to someone coming out in front of a train ignoring the bells I actually understand how serious this can be. They know the rules and ignored them for what? A bicycle race The officials need to enforce these rules otherwise the riders (who clearly can't think for themselves or about others) then someone will be hit by a train
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Riis123 wrote:
And to all the others: Yeah, its kinda almost too easy just to sit behind your keyboard and utter what kind of good things you guys would have done instead of those baaaad riders that crossed. The situation would probably have been a little different if your heartbeat was 170 and you suddenly saw the race that you trained all winter for disappear, literally, in front of you.
That's exactly what I was saying when I said I would cross too. So instead of saying that I should go break the rules at a road crossing and get fined or get killed, (thanks btw ) don't tell us what you would've LIKED to do, but think about what you actually would've done in the situation. It's not like I'm saying that I'd just cross at any crossing in a normal situation, which is what it seemed you guys who replied to my first comment were thinking. There's a big difference between a rail crossing in the middle of everyday life and one in Paris-Roubaix.
Paolini's take on things, certainly not a man known for whining about stuff:
"Enough is enough... I’ve read over and over about a race being "falsified" because of poor organisation at a railway crossing. It's absurd and it hurts. We’re talking about one, if not the most spectacular race on the international cycling calendar, and we’re here discussing who is right or wrong!!!”
“We're talking about an event seen in 186 countries with millions of spectators... And we're discussing whether or not to stop the riders. Already at an early stage, not a key stage of the high level race... After having done the Arenberg Forest and another 2/3 sectors… precisely where the most selection occurs and the riders are not at as lucid!”
“A question has been tormenting me since yesterday!!! Faced with such a spectacle, where every rider risks, (not to mention their lives), traumas to their own body and to the continuation of his own career… is it so difficult and extremely complicated to think of giving precedence to a show that has no equal (?) and evaluate/organize over a year, how to block (the trains), for our protection and for the spectacle that only Roubaix can offer (?).”
“Two carriages of an unlucky TGV of 2/3 carriages which served no real purpose? We’re in the usual situation, where organizers that are not keeping up with things (not up to date) …and us poor goats, at the mercy of crazy speeds and unheard of risks, just so the show must go on….”
“A show that would seriously needs a lot of work, not just a turn of a screw but a few turns with a fully-charged Makita screwdriver.”
“Anyway, I stand by my ideas!! There are races where the stakes are so high that it obfuscates the lucidity of the circus that is cycling! And regarding this, we must reflect once and for all and take the time to put in place rules that have a set of balls!”
“To put things in a few words: In certain cases and in particular races like Roubaix, the ‘riders should have the precedence. Good night my friends.”
It looks like the lights were red already before the first riders of the pack! Also one of the 2 motos actually stops for a moment, before continuing its way when the other motorcycle and the cyclists decide to go through.
The officials need to enforce these rules otherwise the riders (who clearly can't think for themselves or about others) then someone will be hit by a train
