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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 16-06-2013 20:13
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TimoCycling wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Despite the stage being 160kms shorter and not having two climbs before it this time, the fastest climbing time was over a minute slower.
The 2008 winner finished 1:12 down, if someone can check his intermediate times to see how fast he climbed I'd appreciate it.
You think Rui doped?
Rui Costa tested positive on methylhexanamine during the Portuguese championships in 2010 together with his brother, Mario Costa. |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 16-06-2013 20:13
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Spilak23 wrote:
Wilier wrote:
That was back when Devolder could climb. I remember those times.
He was about to finish on the podium of the Tour.  in the same year he won de Ronde
And finished 6th in the TT Worlds 
https://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/...aceid=8700
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| climeon |
Posted on 16-06-2013 20:23
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was their a very strong headwind today or something? |
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| pvalente |
Posted on 16-06-2013 20:29
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Awesome victory of Costa! I'm so happy!!!
Nicolas Roche fanboy
Dombrowski future winner of Tour de France!
Rui Costa!
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-06-2013 21:53
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climeon wrote:
was their a very strong headwind today or something?
Nope, just less drugs
Mind you not "no drugs", just less. To give you an idea of the effect of the drugs, adjusting Pantani's 1995 effort for climb length he'd have won today's stage by about 4 minutes
EDIT: And Pantani's was a long road stage with several climbs
Edited by issoisso on 16-06-2013 22:01
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 16-06-2013 22:18
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Devolder & Roelandts  |
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 16-06-2013 22:36
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Ian Butler wrote:
Devolder & Roelandts
Well Devolder used to be a decent climber, I only wonder what Roelandts is doing there. Was he in an early break-away or so? |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 16-06-2013 22:39
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Devolder doped probably trough all of this carrer.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 16-06-2013 22:44
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Devolder & Roelandts
Well Devolder used to be a decent climber, I only wonder what Roelandts is doing there. Was he in an early break-away or so?
The bad weather is the only reason I can think off for Roelandts
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| kimiopn |
Posted on 16-06-2013 23:01
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Devolder & Roelandts
Well Devolder used to be a decent climber, I only wonder what Roelandts is doing there. Was he in an early break-away or so?
No, he wasn't. Meersman attacked on that final climb and finished behind Jurgen 
https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/72nd...-2/results
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 16-06-2013 23:16
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kimiopn wrote:
fosforgasXIII wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Devolder & Roelandts
Well Devolder used to be a decent climber, I only wonder what Roelandts is doing there. Was he in an early break-away or so?
No, he wasn't. Meersman attacked on that final climb and finished behind Jurgen
https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/72nd...-2/results
WTF, in 2008 Roelandts rode for Silence-Lotto, not for Davitamon-something-Jong Vlaanderen. |
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| kimiopn |
Posted on 16-06-2013 23:28
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Funny you noticed that. He was the only rider that team had on that race 
But it was his first year in Lotto. And he raced for Davitamon something the seasons before |
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| Jeremy |
Posted on 16-06-2013 23:56
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Despite the stage being 160kms shorter and not having two climbs before it this time, the fastest climbing time was over a minute slower.
The 2008 winner finished 1:12 down, if someone can check his intermediate times to see how fast he climbed I'd appreciate it.
You think Rui doped?
Rui Costa tested positive on methylhexanamine during the Portuguese championships in 2010 together with his brother, Mario Costa.
Yeah but it was totally different case. They were taking a food suplement that can be found on supermarkets and this suplement didn't have that substance in the composition. It was completly non intentional and they were able to prove it by sending the suplement to the lab. That's why they got a reduced suspension.
In any other sport, he wouldn't even have been suspended, but you know how it is with cycling. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 16-06-2013 23:59
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I always wonder how somebody can know where the contamination was coming from altough the contamination was not intentional. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 17-06-2013 00:08
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That's a very good point, I'd never thought of that.
The only way I can see it is if you test positive right after you start taking a new supplement.
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| kimiopn |
Posted on 17-06-2013 00:31
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Methylexaneamine had a lot of positive cases in 2010 and in 2011 WADA changed the status from "non-specified" to "specified". The new classification still required athletes to prove that they did not intend to enhance performance "to the satisfaction of the results management authority" in order to receive a reduced sanction.
They (Rui and his brother) did that and then they caught 5 months that they had already served.
It was a nutritionist who advice them to take that supplement, and Methylexaneamine was not specified on the supplement information but they knew that was the different thing they were taking.
If it is something you eat different every day, it's true that it's hard to know if it was eaten yesterday or the week before because the substance could be on your organism before. Unless you're controlled everyday and only on that precise day you accused it. |
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 17-06-2013 11:39
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Taking a "wrong supplement" sound a lot like eating a "wrong steak" to me. He was lucky to only get 5 months. |
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| p3druh |
Posted on 17-06-2013 11:57
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
Taking a "wrong supplement" sound a lot like eating a "wrong steak" to me. He was lucky to only get 5 months.
How is a lot of athletes testing positive for a substance that is not listed in a supplement but that posterior testing show that is present the same as a "wrong steak"? It wasn't even just the Costa brothers nor just cyclists, there were a lot of portuguese athletes caught with Methylexaneamine, they all were caught at the same time and they all were taking the same supplement that turned out to have wrong information about its composition.
Movistar is a dodgy team and no one (me included) is 100% sold that anyone on that team is absolutely clean but to hold the Methylexaneamine incident as proof of doping seems like a stretch.
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| Jeremy |
Posted on 17-06-2013 16:58
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
Taking a "wrong supplement" sound a lot like eating a "wrong steak" to me. He was lucky to only get 5 months.
The main difference is that the Costa brothers were able to prove it was the supplement and Contador never proved that the meat was contaminated. |
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