Jesleyh wrote:
Didn't see that, but did see some 20:05 edits yeah.
Nah I would want a fair win anyway
This challenge was fun imo. Except the Cafe Pedro one
I am quite curious, how did knockout stumble upon the final clue so early? What did he do
Ahhhh, my first post, what a noobie I was. Maybe you were smart and jumped to this skipping many clues because I am predictable. Who knows? Is this challenge easy or hard for you? Well, what difficulty do you usually prefer or play on anyway?
You called it
EDIT : on a fair way I was stuck at the cruetrue one. Knew what kind of thread but couldn't find it...
Edited by knockout on 24-06-2015 06:51
The Hobbit, you have been evicted from the Big Brother house. Please pack your bags and say goodbye to your fellow houseguests. (He has been inactive for a week now.)
The championship will be between brewers90, Jesleyh, and knockout, 3 great players this year! The jury will have to get some questions thought up so we can start the session. Jury members will receive a PM soon, for the 3 remaining, you just hold tight and wait for my PM later on.
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24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
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Alright guys, you will now be required to answer your questions in post right here!
Please post answers by June 28th at 12:00 PM EST
Jesleyh:
What were your allies throughout the game? Why did you choose them?
Why do you think you were in any way better than the other two specifically. As in, how were you better than knockout and how were you better than brewers?
If Wilco ever got to the favorite cyclist contest final, would you create multiple accounts to vote him out if it meant winning this game?
Between the other two finalists you're competing against, who do you think deserves to win if it's not you? P.S. If you avoid the question or say it doesn't matter because you think you deserve win then I won't vote for you.
how did you guys managed to get your group from season 1 back into the finals?
what was the biggest surprise in terms of players (most surprising player)?
the team that you've created, has collectively won both seasons of Survivor and both seasons of Big Brother, is this going to be the future of these games. that if you don't find a team early on, you are basically chanceless for victory?
Have you ever thought that you would be voted out?
In your perfect game (the best one for you), who would come 7th?
brewers90:
What were your allies throughout the game? Why did you choose them?
Why do you think you were in any way better than the other two specifically. As in, how were you better than knockout and how were you better than Jesleyh?
You were quieter this game around and didn't win as many HOH at the crucial point you did last year. There is of course good reason and I'm not asking you why it happened, but how did it affect your chances?
Between the other two finalists you're competing against, who do you think deserves to win if it's not you? P.S. If you avoid the question or say it doesn't matter because you think you deserve win then I won't vote for you.
how did you guys managed to get your group from season 1 back into the finals?
what was the biggest surprise in terms of players (most surprising player)?
the team that you've created, has collectively won both seasons of Survivor and both seasons of Big Brother, is this going to be the future of these games. that if you don't find a team early on, you are basically chanceless for victory?
You are now official blamed for this, why did I (trekbmc) get voted out?
knockout:
What were your allies troughout the game? Why did you choose them?
Can I pick you a new avatar for a vote (3 months)?
Why do you think you were in any way better than the other two specifically. As in, how were you better than brewers and how were you better than Jesleyh?
Between the other two finalists you're competing against, who do you think deserves to win if it's not you? P.S. If you avoid the question or say it doesn't matter because you think you deserve win then I won't vote for you.
how did you guys managed to get your group from season 1 back into the finals?
what was the biggest surprise in terms of players (most surprising player)?
the team that you've created, has collectively won both seasons of Survivor and both seasons of Big Brother, is this going to be the future of these games. that if you don't find a team early on, you are basically chanceless for victory?
Both of them have won games before, if you win this, will the rest of us feel better (between less times by one person) or worse (beaten by more people)?
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Try guess mine Edited by jandal7 on 27-06-2015 01:10
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
What were your allies throughout the game? Why did you choose them?
Oh I had lots.
First, the ''traditional'' Dippofix, Knockout and Brewers alliance, with new addition Hobbit. We still had the chatzy from last year and we've became, sort of, friends. (Except for Hobbit who disappeared like he did last year )
Then there was also an alliance with Matt. Matt is amazing at flash games, and also a very nice guy overall. Was quite close to him anyway and it only made sense for me to join an alliance with him(along with Hobbit).
There was also an alliance with Cycleman, Marco and Dippo(as you can see, we always have 2 persons in one alliance, that's an obvious tactic to be able to influence the others). Quite liked that one too, had some good talks and nice jokes. This alliance fell apart at some point though(at a point we didn't really need it).
Kept a bit in contact with Cycleman, afterwards, I mean, nice guy and I kinda wanted to play it safe in case he'd win a HoH(which never happened) or had some allies he could influenced.
At last I have the feeling PeterRyder and I got a bit closer after a nice backgammon game we had, but I wouldn't really call it an alliance. It apparently would've helped me at a crucial moment, on which I will come back later if I won't forget.
It is possible that I approached some others, but if they reject me I just erase that from my memory.
So I think that is it.
Why do you think you were in any way better than the other two specifically. As in, how were you better than knockout and how were you better than brewers?
Well, to be very honest, and Brewers will admit it, I don't think I have to explain how I was better than Brewers. Sorry man, you haven't done as much as you did last year, and revenge would feel good on you after that
Knockout deserves it (almost) as much as I do, we've been the 2 most active guys in the alliance this year. We were the ones deciding on most tactical stuff.
However, as you can see in win count, I was the better one on challenges. Especially if you keep in mind one of his HoHs was an auction.
I was, Jdog can confirm this, also the only one who practically always sent a serious submission in. Knockout did that at the important moments, but sometimes he did not care enough. No problemos though, I mean, we made it anyway.
Also I think I was the one that had the most close allies, I mean, knockout once showed me a pic of a chatzy chat of his alliance on the ''other side of the game'', and well, at that point, it was fairly fucking dead
What probably could help me is that I decided to be a fair player after(and in) the last HoH. I mean, I could've been quite certain of victory if I would've evicted knockout after the last HoH. But I decided knockout(or ''Kurt'' deserves a spot in the final.
Probably forget something, but yeah, I can't burn down knockout, he has been an excellent player.
If Wilco ever got to the favorite cyclist contest final, would you create multiple accounts to vote him out if it meant winning this game?
Must be sandal's question. No, I wouldn't. I play fair, both this game and games like that. I mean, if I'd cheat that way, how could I be satisfied with a win?
Plus I am an admin. I cannot have double accounts, really.
Also, look at Stylus, everyone gets caught at some point
Between the other two finalists you're competing against, who do you think deserves to win if it's not you? P.S. If you avoid the question or say it doesn't matter because you think you deserve win then I won't vote for you.
Oh come on, no need for the PS, I know how to play it fair.
Knockout. For reasons I basically explained 2 questions back. He was better than Brewers in challenges, obviously, and we were the 2 guys deciding on tactical decisions. What also helps him a bit is his ''heroic'' sacrifice of last year, where he went out before the final, I believe he volunteered.
To be fair, not that he'd have won anyway back then, but it speaks for him.
how did you guys managed to get your group from season 1 back into the finals?
Yeah... This is an interesting question, probably a big PCMdaily mystery, considering this was also our Survivor #2 group, basically
The secret lies in alliances. Obviously we all didn't stick to 1 alliance(well, Brewers did) but we emerged in many.
Obviously we'd leak key information to our 5 men chatzy, considering that was always the main alliance for everyone.
We had 2 of our group in every main alliance of the game, I believe. Hobbit and I covered the Matt alliance, Dippo and I covered the Cycleman&Marco alliance(or Feyenoord alliance as I called it ).
Kurt, Dippo and Hobbit had one or two alliances on what I'd call the ''other side of the game'' with guys like trekbmc, PeterRyder, and Jandal. My memory is too shitty to remember it exactly, you'll see the answer in knockout's post.
What also helped a bit, probably, was the fact that we won 7 HoHs and 5 Vetos. Both were mainly knockout's and my work, though.
what was the biggest surprise in terms of players (most surprising player)?
Hmm this is a tricky one. Negatively I'd have to say Luigi. Luigi has a lot of challenges potential, and he proved this in the past. Unfortunately he didn't exactly do it this time(Except for the last HoH, good work ).
Positively, is hard to say, considering right at the start, one doesn't really know what to expect from some. Jihardy did some great work, I'd have to say him I guess. Pete also impressed by getting quite far.
the team that you've created, has collectively won both seasons of Survivor and both seasons of Big Brother, is this going to be the future of these games. that if you don't find a team early on, you are basically chanceless for victory?
Hmm I don't know. I wouldn't decide teams beforehand, and I'd possibly switch next year to get it less predictable anyway, but yea, you kinda have to find a team in the early stages of the game, but that was always the case in these games. Same for Survivor, where I always found a few early alliances.
What always helps is having a bond with other members beforehand, considering you'd have some trust.
Have you ever thought that you would be voted out?
Well, right from the start, I expected we would not survive for long, so I expected to be voted out in one of the first rounds, but nah, that did not happen.
I did however fear for one of us to be voted out, when Pete won the HoH. It came at a point that the amount of fucks we gave about BB was at a bit of a low point(Sorry Jdog, that's what you get with a slow game and lots of school/work stuff for most chatzy guys), but in the end I saved the day in the Veto and knockout managed to convince Pete to put jihardy up. (Later it turned out Pete would've put knockout up if he hadn't convinced him to put jihardy up. Quite weird situation but this is what I understood of it )
Beside that, not really a lot of fear. Maybe at some point in the early stages, I can't remember, but at that point I had enough alliances to gain me the votes.
In your perfect game (the best one for you), who would come 7th?
7th? Can I ask who the 6th person here is?
My 6th person here would be Matt, or possibly Cycleman/Marcovdw. All guys that I was relatively close with throughout the game. Of those, realistically, only Matt would've been a threat for our alliance, but I think Matt knew that I was in other alliances, and it didn't seem like he cared.
Unfortunately we were forced to vote Matt out at some point, Hobbit and I wanted to defend him but he was the biggest threat left so unfortunately he was eliminated. Would've wanted to see that differently but yea.
Urf I shouldn't do this far past midnight
Can't wait to see the other answers, especially Brewers', who I expect to come up with a hilarious post.
Sorry I didn't gave you enough attention in my answers, Brewers
Should've upped your game
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
Okay, Jesleyh beat me to it by half an hour and reading his answers a lot of information are doubled but i don't want to change it as that would be unfair for Jesleyh as he went first.
jseadog1 wrote:
What were your allies troughout the game? Why did you choose them?
The main alliance and for most of the season the only one I was in was the "All Star Alliance" with Brewers, Dippo, Hobbit and Jesleyh. I chosed them because it was very enjoyable to cooperate with them in the season before as well as in Survivor, because I trusted them (yes, even Jesleyh ) more than I could have trusted any of the other guys and because it is a very strong alliance. That the alliance chat still existed all the time didnt hurt with the choice.
The only other alliance I had was with PeterRyder and The Hobbit. (The alliance existed beforehand already but sandal, Cycleman and Marco were out already when I joined it)
This alliance was created just after the results of the 8th Veto Challenge were reveilled. At that point only our alliance of 5, peterRyder and jihardy were left in the game but peterRyder was HoH. Jesleyh saved himself which left Dippo on the block with Brewers/Jihardy/Hobbit/me as possible replacements.
As I absolutely wanted to let the 5 of us into the final 5 I contacted PeterRyder for an alliance and convinced him to put jihardy up. I convinced him that the chances are highest that jihardy is allied with Jesleyh and Dippo and that it would hurt them the most when he's put up as well. Later on he told me that he would have nominated me instead if i didnt appoached him so I think that alliance was very important as well.
All other enquiries were declined.
Can I pick you a new avatar for a vote (3 months)?
No. But if it shows Kelderman and his biggest fan I might be convinced to use it anyway
Why do you think you were in any way better than the other two specifically. As in, how were you better than brewers and how were you better than Jesleyh?
Between the other two finalists you're competing against, who do you think deserves to win if it's not you? P.S. If you avoid the question or say it doesn't matter because you think you deserve win then I won't vote for you.
I'm gonna answer both of these questions at the same time:
Brewers didnt brought his A game which you can easily see at the stats : 0 HoH , 0 Veto. Nuff said.
Jesleyh on the other side, would surely deserved to win again. Tbh, it would be a very close call if i had to decide who to vote for.
In both Survivor and Big Brother, one of the main arguments in the speech was "being the tactical brain". But there is again no real difference between us. On top of them, most decisions were discussed so only few discussion might be
But in the end, I think i deserve to win, because I won more HoHs when they mattered. Winning HoHs is much more important than Veto's (until you have exactly one opponent left then they are both equal value) and I won more and the more crucial points. (e.g. the last HoH did not mattered at all as we already had to agree who would leave)
I was also the more consistent one if you look at the challenge results.
how did you guys managed to get your group from season 1 back into the finals?
I like to name 3 reasons here:
1. Dominating HoHs
2. Influencing other players.
3. Evicting some strong opponents early
1: As said above, winning the HoH is most important. If you have such a large alliance you can be close to 100% sure that one of 3 targetted guys has to leave the house once you are HoH. In total there were 10 HoHs and the 5 of us won 7 HoH challenges with the other 9 participants only winning 3. That's called Domination.
2: Influencing other players. When the HoH is not within your alliance you have to influence the HoH to make sure that at most one of your alliance will be OTB when it comes to eviction and of course it always helps if you also can influence a few votes to vote out someone who you prefer to see out.
This was on the one side done by Jesleyh and Dippo who joined many alliances while I played a very quite game, trying to not get connected to Jesleyh / Dippo too early and instead trying to convince some that I am a rival to the other ones.
This went very well if you look at the statistics again: (if the stats in post #1 are correct):
No rival ever nominated Brewers, Hobbit or me.
Jesleyh was only once nominated by Pete (and twice by myself)
Dippo was only once nominated by Pete (and once by myself)
Not too much considering that Brewers, Jesleyh, Dippo and me already proved our strengths last season...
3: We are glad that we could get rid of some strong players rather early.
Only one example here : Matt was back-doored when I was HoH and Jesleyh had the Auction Prize to decide the veto players. Matt is one of the strongest players for veto challenges (especially when there were flash games) so we did not wanted him to play the veto. So I nominated Jesleyh so that he could chose 3 veto players who were very sure to safe one of the two nominees so that we could evict up Matt without him getting the chance to safe himself and without Jesleyh losing the face towards toward the rest of Matt's & his alliance (Cant recall who was involved there).
what was the biggest surprise in terms of players (most surprising player)?
Must be Hobbit. Nobody could have expected him to get again so far just to hide again in the final week after his master tactics from season 1
Seriously, very difficult question. SSJ2 didnt got the chance to impress again (I stick to what i said earlier), jihardy and Pete got further than expected but also sandal proved that he could be a strong player.
the team that you've created, has collectively won both seasons of Survivor and both seasons of Big Brother, is this going to be the future of these games. that if you don't find a team early on, you are basically chanceless for victory?
Would not say so. Real Big Brother proves that you can also win these games by staying staying alone. SSJ2 proved it in season 1 that he nearly got into the final against the big alliance and there is always the chance that two alliances evict each other so that a single fighter can survive long.
And there is always the chance that someone decides to go for a big power moves which changes everything.
Both of them have won games before, if you win this, will the rest of us feel better (between less times by one person) or worse (beaten by more people)?
Neither. This alliance won 3 games. You can't really cut it down more
Why was The Hobbit voted out?!
Because we agreed early on (way before the final four) that we would let those into the final who deserved it the most and that's why Jesleyh and me are here now. And Brewers was chosen over Hobbit because unlike Hobbit he showed signs of life in the last week
Oh and those who think what a kind move of Jesleyh: We did this already in the first season where I decided to step out of the final 4 to let the others who had deserved it more get a fair vote for the winner
Just the last thing, I think last year you just stopped giving fucks in the end and not a "best players to the final approach"
What I do extremely agree with, and what I forgot in my post, is to emphasize that basically we win these games as alliance, not individually.
We all played a part, Dippo, Brewers, heck, even Hobbit.
(Although I would love to beat my individual "always-lose in anything" streak that has been going on for more than 1,5 years, despite plenty of opportunities )
Edited by Jesleyh on 27-06-2015 02:19
knockout wrote:
sandal proved that he could be a strong player.
I can't stop you taking the mickey but that's a new level
I wrote two questions for each of you (yes I did do that one for knockout)
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
