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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 01-10-2013 20:54
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kumazan wrote:
Oh, sure, but the war started in '14 anyway, and the visits to Vittorio Veneto and Grappa could be therefore used for that purpose. This said, if they do it next year it's fair enough, but it feels like kind of a missed chance.
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That's ok, but who wasn't at that time.
He was idolised by many in the 90's. The greatest climber ever. So I don't think it's to unnatural to have a dedication to him.
Many chose to leave their dream of being a professional cyclist because of that. Those wasn't.
I know he was, and still is, idolized by many. It's ok, I'm nobody to tell anyone who they should or shouldn't idolize. The point is that one of the sport's biggest organizers shouldn't do it for mere respect to all the riders who chose a honest way of enjoying their sport.
Don't worry. In 5 years time, we probably going to have a race dedicated to Froome/Sky. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 01-10-2013 21:34
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Don't worry. In 5 years time, we probably going to have a race dedicated to Froome/Sky.
It won't be a big one. Froome is nowhere near as popular as Pantani ever was. Not even close.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 01-10-2013 21:38
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Disappointed with the Zoncolan summit finish. Climbing and descending it would be much more interesting (with another climb following).
Zoncolan summit never had been boring.
Well..Pantani as doper talk after he's tribute decision?
Lame..boys. You can not hate all at past. He was even more passionate cyclist then passionate cylist are. Doper..yeah. Like all of then..at least not a biggest dick and liar as Lance was..is. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 01-10-2013 21:42
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Spilak23 wrote:
Don't worry. In 5 years time, we probably going to have a race dedicated to Froome/Sky.
It won't be a big one. Froome is nowhere near as popular as Pantani ever was. Not even close.
Pretty much what the RideLondonClassic thing was in many ways (to Sky, not Froome).
Anyway: Nothing wrong with paying tribute to Pantani. The guy is a legend in Italy, and there is nothing wrong with the national tour honoring him and his abilities.
But when you choose to do so in such a public manor, mere days and weeks after huge focus on cyclings dirty past.. not good.
So much of the recent election was about that period of cycling and how we have to move away from it towards a cleaner future, then they come and do this! Idiots!
There is so much more to honor in Italian cycling than Pantani, why... just why!
As i said if it was, we'll use this climb and this stage to pay a tribute to Pantani, then thats cool, it's low key, it's emotional.
But when it's one of the defining features of the whole race, poor taste. Imagine if ASO decided to make the 2015 in tribute to Lance? Pretty much the same thing...
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 01-10-2013 21:42
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I wonder how anyone posted this:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013...ong-doping |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 01-10-2013 21:46
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Don't worry. In 5 years time, we probably going to have a race dedicated to Froome/Sky.
It won't be a big one. Froome is nowhere near as popular as Pantani ever was. Not even close.
Pretty much what the RideLondonClassic thing was in many ways (to Sky, not Froome).
Anyway: Nothing wrong with paying tribute to Pantani. The guy is a legend in Italy, and there is nothing wrong with the national tour honoring him and his abilities.
But when you choose to do so in such a public manor, mere days and weeks after huge focus on cyclings dirty past.. not good.
So much of the recent election was about that period of cycling and how we have to move away from it towards a cleaner future, then they come and do this! Idiots!
There is so much more to honor in Italian cycling than Pantani, why... just why!
As i said if it was, we'll use this climb and this stage to pay a tribute to Pantani, then thats cool, it's low key, it's emotional.
But when it's one of the defining features of the whole race, poor taste. Imagine if ASO decided to make the 2015 in tribute to Lance? Pretty much the same thing...
Lance tribute wont work out..who ever liked him beside Phil Ligget? |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 01-10-2013 21:52
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Lance tribute wont work out..who ever liked him beside Phil Ligget?
Are you serious?
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 01-10-2013 21:55
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TheManxMissile wrote:
But when it's one of the defining features of the whole race, poor taste. Imagine if ASO decided to make the 2015 in tribute to Lance? Pretty much the same thing...
Not exactly. Not really actually. Pantani wasn't a villain, he was cheater like his main competitiors.
He won races, probably earned much, gained a lot of glory and popular support and grew an ego that wouldn't fit in a helmet.
Then he was suddenly brought down, which he certainly felt as something unfair as his main opponents were not really caught or treated the same.
How did his ego cope with that ? It didn't. That turned him into a cocaine addict (well-known drug for its ego-boosting effects).
Of course I'm skipping a few come backs in the process, but the big picture is that.
As a result he died from an overdose. Pantani is a martyr of that rotten to the core system that led us all to tolerate doping and praise to excess guys who were cheaters.
And what is RCS going to do ? push that system a little bit further. Morons.
Lance's not really that. He lost one ball, not his life, in the process, and really became a bad guy after that, and he had a corrupt power supporting him. He does by no mean look like a victim.
Had he come back clean for a couple of years late 1998, and admitted in the first place that his testicle cancer was likely caused by testosterone abuses, then he may have looked like a victim.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 01-10-2013 21:57
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I can sadly say that I was.
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 01-10-2013 22:08
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Wasn't saying that Lance and Pantani had the same story, i know very well the difference between them. But you have to look at a wider picture.
What is Pantani, unfortunately, best known for? Doping and his addiction which took his life. If you know little about cycling that is the first thing you learn about the man. So you have to think about what image this sends out to the general public. Whilst many Italians will like it, as will those who know all the story and have a certain opinion of him, an awful lot more people around the world will see it as a celebration of a convicted doper.
And after all the Lance affair it is perhaps the worst possible message to send out. Which is why i said a small tribute, one stage, would be better. The emotions are still there but the overall image is intact, perhaps even improved with the right press. Currently this is not the case.
I mean they could go the whole opposite way, like the ASO do with Tom Simpson, which would admittedly probably be even worse publicity wise.
It's a delicate issue, especially in these times, and it has to be handled carefully for the good of the sport. So far that has not happened, but hey it's only day 1 and i hope it's all clean sailing (excuse the half pun) from here on.
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| ppanther |
Posted on 01-10-2013 23:12
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Different topic: Riccardo Zoidl suffered a pelvis fracture from his crash at Worlds Road Race. This means he can't defend his leading position at European Tour Ranking. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 02-10-2013 06:22
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kumazan wrote:
I dared to criticize the Giro ---> isso comes to say I'm negative. So a normal day after all. I was worried it was taking you so long.
Very true. I know that from position of being called nationalistic as soon as i say a single word about two small countries in middle of Europe. 
For me, the route seems nicely balanced,with TTT,ITT and MTT, of course third week MTF orgy will be something which prevents bigger GC fight prior to that. Looking forward to actual profiles. But again, wether will be the biggest factor. It is crazy batshit weather for several years now, so i expect blizzard in May.
And Pantani was a junkie, sorry to his fans, that is fact. However he was probably psychically ill, dont know if it was because of drugs, or it brought him to drugs.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 02-10-2013 11:30
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The later, actually. But the nice side of the story is that cycling (and EPO) saved him. That was until it brought him even further down, until he died.
I feel there's something sick about paying him a tribute without the system questioning itself about Pantani's fate and its responsibility in his fate.
On an unrelated note, Europcar have applied for a vacant WT spot.
I'm uncertain about their timing though. They left some of their main riders go to AG2R, and now they'll need to hire more and better riders. Also, I'm not sure their sponsor has marketing interests outside Europe ?!
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 02-10-2013 11:59
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Aquarius wrote:
On an unrelated note, Europcar have applied for a vacant WT spot.
I'm uncertain about their timing though. They left some of their main riders go to AG2R, and now they'll need to hire more and better riders. Also, I'm not sure their sponsor has marketing interests outside Europe ?!
If they do get the WT spot then I can see them picking up some of Sojasun's riders.
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| Blueprint |
Posted on 02-10-2013 12:07
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Aquarius wrote:
On an unrelated note, Europcar have applied for a vacant WT spot.
I'm uncertain about their timing though. They left some of their main riders go to AG2R, and now they'll need to hire more and better riders. Also, I'm not sure their sponsor has marketing interests outside Europe ?!
Judging by the French article I read about this, the sponsor really wants to show off at the Vuelta. If 1 + 1 = 2, I'd say that they will hire some ex-Euskaltel riders. |
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 02-10-2013 12:14
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Blueprint wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
On an unrelated note, Europcar have applied for a vacant WT spot.
I'm uncertain about their timing though. They left some of their main riders go to AG2R, and now they'll need to hire more and better riders. Also, I'm not sure their sponsor has marketing interests outside Europe ?!
Judging by the French article I read about this, the sponsor really wants to show off at the Vuelta. If 1 + 1 = 2, I'd say that they will hire some ex-Euskaltel riders.
So in order to race in the Vuelta, they are applying for WT AND possibly also hire Spanish riders? That's a bit overkill. Probably just one or the other.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 02-10-2013 12:17
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No news, but A. Vayer is really a stubborn man, I think he'll end up blocking me on twitter.  |
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| Blueprint |
Posted on 02-10-2013 12:18
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If the sponsor really targets Spain, they might do both. Or they are just grabbing their chance to gain a WT-spot now, as competition is limited and they don't need to invest a lot of extra money. |
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| fickman |
Posted on 02-10-2013 12:38
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And it came like it has to come, now that Rui Costa is WC Saronni wants him to ride tha Tour in 2014. I dont know if he is capable of achiving better than top 5 there.
https://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/...p?id=66273 |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 02-10-2013 12:49
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Well, Costa wants to do a Tour GC as well so it's not like he's forced to do a GC. I am sure at this stage in his career, he wants to finally try and see what he can achieve over 3 weeks.
If he fails, he can always go back to style of racing he's doing now, breaks, one week stage races and classics.
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