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| Alakagom |
Posted on 08-04-2012 19:44
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ShortsNL wrote:
Impressive race by Boonen. Also, Sebastien Turgot, totally unexpected!
Turgot was also in the Ballan-Flecha break at 58 kms, right before Boonen attacked. And in the end, he finished joint second together with Ballan.
And then to think Turgot only has 69 Cobbles and 68 Stamina in the PCM2012 DB....
Did he show any potential before this year and PR he deserves more ? I don't think so 
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 08-04-2012 19:51
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If his COB/STA stats were somewhere between 70-73, then I'd say no he wouldn't deserve more. There's no way a 68/69 rider would finiah second in P-R only after Boonen, unless you got lucky with fast simulation |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 08-04-2012 19:57
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ShortsNL wrote:
If his COB/STA stats were somewhere between 70-73, then I'd say no he wouldn't deserve more. There's no way a 68/69 rider would finiah second in P-R only after Boonen, unless you got lucky with fast simulation
Of course he deserves more now
What I meant is that stats go by results from rider's last year and previous attempts and Turgot did nothing in those races previously
So people saying 'why he has only 69 in Cobbles' after PR is bit 'wrong', because he never did any good results in such race before
Hope you understand 
Edited by Alakagom on 08-04-2012 19:58
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 08-04-2012 20:06
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Alakagom wrote:
Of course he deserves more now
What I meant is that stats go by results from rider's last year and previous attempts and Turgot did nothing in those races previously
So people saying why he got 69 in Cobbles after PR is bit 'wrong', because he never did any good results in such race before
Hope you understand
Yes I definitely understand. It's a good argument for the DB-makers, but this P-R demonstrates the DB's biggest flaw: by only rewarding highers stats to riders who have shown good results in the past, you can't get the 'unexpected' results like these in real life.
Overall, I think the differences between riders are much smaller in real life, |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 08-04-2012 20:12
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ShortsNL wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Of course he deserves more now
What I meant is that stats go by results from rider's last year and previous attempts and Turgot did nothing in those races previously
So people saying why he got 69 in Cobbles after PR is bit 'wrong', because he never did any good results in such race before
Hope you understand
Yes I definitely understand. It's a good argument for the DB-makers, but this P-R demonstrates the DB's biggest flaw: by only rewarding highers stats to riders who have shown good results in the past, you can't get the 'unexpected' results like these in real life.
Overall, I think the differences between riders are much smaller in real life,
If we can't see surprise results in the game then it's the game's fault, not the DB. Or do you want the DB makers to randomly increase random riders stats just so they can be a 'surprise'? (which they actually won't be because after you're a good cobble rider for example, it would be natural that you perform in cobble classics).
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| ruben |
Posted on 08-04-2012 20:20
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isnt this the same flaw in every sports game??
i mean i remember early championship managers were van nistelrooy was utter crap and would never amount to anything higher but Den Bosch
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| kissaha |
Posted on 08-04-2012 20:52
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ShortsNL wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Of course he deserves more now
What I meant is that stats go by results from rider's last year and previous attempts and Turgot did nothing in those races previously
So people saying why he got 69 in Cobbles after PR is bit 'wrong', because he never did any good results in such race before
Hope you understand
Yes I definitely understand. It's a good argument for the DB-makers, but this P-R demonstrates the DB's biggest flaw: by only rewarding highers stats to riders who have shown good results in the past, you can't get the 'unexpected' results like these in real life.
Overall, I think the differences between riders are much smaller in real life,
This problem can easily be solved, by simply masking the attributes of the riders in the other teams. And since whe've now got rider reputation in the game, the favorites are then calculated based on rider type and their reputation. This also stops the problem with young riders who have improved much, but never shown it in a race, from being marked in the races.
Edited by kissaha on 08-04-2012 20:55
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| kissaha |
Posted on 08-04-2012 20:55
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ruben wrote:
isnt this the same flaw in every sports game??
i mean i remember early championship managers were van nistelrooy was utter crap and would never amount to anything higher but Den Bosch
A little bit weird to compare with cycling, if you ask me. Every football game is one the same premises, while Paris-Roubaix is only once a year. So of course it is almost impossible to guess which surprises we are going to have. |
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 08-04-2012 21:00
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lluuiiggii wrote:
If we can't see surprise results in the game then it's the game's fault, not the DB. Or do you want the DB makers to randomly increase random riders stats just so they can be a 'surprise'?
Actually, yes I do, but not randomly. It's what the game does too by simulating rider growth.
Let's take for example Turgot. He's on 68/69 cobbles/stamina right now in the DB. Many young riders in the DB start off with stats like these and they have the potential to increase to 70-74 if their specialization is somewhat aligned to classics. Rider growth like this is normal in real life too.
Of course there are superstars which are above the rest. If a rider turns out to be a star rider based on his results, he deserves a stats increase and I agree with that completely, you need to see results first before you can sensibly increase his stats. However, for average riders, not the stars, this principle doesn't apply well, otherwise they'll never see a stats increase and will still be on the same stats as when they were 22 years old.
As a result I think the stats differences between star riders and average riders are too big, and that they are in fact much smaller in real life. Some average riders have just been lucky in real life to get a good result, like Turgot. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 08-04-2012 21:30
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ShortsNL wrote:
As a result I think the stats differences between star riders and average riders are too big, and that they are in fact much smaller in real life. Some average riders have just been lucky in real life to get a good result, like Turgot.
I kind of agree with that. Compared to a couple of years ago (when I still played PCM ), I'd say the difference between a podium, or top-5 contender (best of the non starts, if that means something), and a top-40 contender has decreased a lot. Cycling is much less predictable nowadays, and leaves more room for surprises. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 08-04-2012 21:39
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I wonder why the differences between the best and the top 40 riders is smaller |
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| desimon95 |
Posted on 08-04-2012 21:53
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In this period of 3months Tom Boonen showed everybody again that he is the best cobblesrider of the hole peleton. He is also still one of the best sprinters of the world and that is something that people forget very often. In his last 15sprints he beated men like bennati, farrar, goss, sagan, greipel, petacchi... And still he just has 77sp 75acc ???!!! come on man !!! give him 80sp 78acc he definetly deserves that. A lot of people are telling me that all the time, and i agree!  |
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| sam1196 |
Posted on 08-04-2012 21:55
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yeah right but this aint the stat discussion thread
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 09-04-2012 00:46
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Only 87 riders finished inside the time limit unfortunatley Guesdon wasn't one of them. Alot of DNF's too.
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| Mresuperstar |
Posted on 09-04-2012 03:07
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Finally saw the race on a rerun. I don't get to watch many races each year because I'm from the USA, sometimes I only see the TdF  But I must say that was a legendary ride from Boonen. Although the highly American bias comentators on NBC Sports almost ruined the race for me, watching Boonen rip up the cobbles was quite entertaining. 
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| Batista15 |
Posted on 09-04-2012 07:12
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Thanks to Boonen! I´ve got many PCM´$ after his wins in Vlaanderen and Roubaix! Tommeke is just my favourite! |
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| dienblad |
Posted on 09-04-2012 08:42
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Wasn't home yesterday, but recorded the race and watched in in the evening (last 100km).
What an epic race by Boonen, amazing performance and he trully deserved it. Too me, it was a bit of a pity that Turgot got 2nd, that place should have gone to Boom, Flecha or Ballan. I was very happy to see Lars Boom riding that way, hopefully this is his breakthrough and we'll see even more from him next year.
And Omega Pharma - Quick Step has been unbelievable, winning Dwars Door Vlaanderen, E3-prijs, Gent-Wevelgem, Ronde van Vl;aanderen and Paris - Roubaix, amazing!!
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 09-04-2012 09:59
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desimon95 wrote:
In this period of 3months Tom Boonen showed everybody again that he is the best cobblesrider of the hole peleton. The hole peloton is the one you don't want to ride in, there's a high probability of crash or puncture there. |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 09-04-2012 10:11
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Watched a re-run of the last 3 hours of the race late last night.
Super ride from Boonen. Pozzato looked comfortable when he followed Boonen - why he wouldn't ride with him a bit longer and let Ballan recover a little more I really have no idea...Obviously didn't fancy it from 50k out.
If Boonen hadn't been on the same team as Devolder for those two Flanders victories Devolder took, Boonen really would have an even more amazing record in Roubaix/Flanders. |
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| sam1196 |
Posted on 09-04-2012 10:16
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You can win Roubaix untill your 38 so maybe a few more RVV a 4th time is going to be difficult.
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