Hi guys. Yeah i've been away for the weekend in London, up at 7am and back to my room after 11pm each day. So Mafia really wasn't high on my list of things to do at night. If i'd thought harder i probably wouldn't have joined the game in the first place, knowing i'd be completely out of the loop for 2-3days at a key time.
So it's safe to say i'm fairly confused because reading through all this back there's a lot of inconsistency, circular thinking and confusion
Lynch weirdskyfan, he's been on my radar for a while and i want to keep some progress going rather than more pointles voting ties.
Honestly I'm having a hard time focusing on the incredible amount of text going through these pages. I realize it's a turning point in the game and eyes are on me more than ever. But I'll leave the deduction business to those who know best and I'll keep my end short.
I have suspected Croatia for a while, but I gotta step back from that. That was my bad.
So who of the survivors has been showing strange behaviour?
For me, I have a hard time following Weirdskyfan's reasoning most of the time. He already has several votes against him, making this an easy call. Like TMM said, progress instead of voting ties.
Lynch Weirdskyfan
I'm sorry I don't have more to share at the moment, but I'm rather distracted because of some things going on, nothing to do with the game.
@weirdskyfan: it would be very nice to say all you think/know before you die! If you have any accusations, thoughts, ideas unspoken please get them out now, as it almost 100% that you'll be dead in 4 hours!
Personally, weirdskyfan was not my biggest suspect. I saw him as suspicious, but I'd still probably have voted for 1 or 2 guys over him as I stated previously. However, he's been radio silent ever since the accusations started, which gives me the impression he is trying to craft a false defense (that, or he's just not involved in the game). He has done that a lot of that disappearing act this game and in previous games, so I like to play assuming that doesn't mean he's mafia... but we all know it could.
I'd really like to hear his side of things, but if he doesn't give it, lynching is the only ending it seems.
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy
BANG! A gunshot is heard again today! Croatia14 is dead, and as you look around desperately for the killer:
Spoiler
TMM is holding the smoking gun!
I'll give another 24 hours after this development as I woke up too late to fit it into this deadline.
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
Ok this game just got real. You can't lynch me, i'm the doctor! Genuinely, even though it might be hard to believe. I got a save, i very nearly got two. The save was actually on myself. I saw a few worrying comments from players i suspected as mafia, and figured they might knock me off after someone else got lynched, massively helping the mafia game.
I've flip-floped a few times on who to save, have made the wrong switch before.
But you can't lynch me! You'd be killing the doctor. I can save myself from the mafia, meaning the only way to kill me would be with either another gun or a terrorist. But either way it would be suicide for that mafia player. And there's only 2 left can they afford such a bold move? I don't think so.
I hope i was right in my suspicion, might be confused off the weekend. But let this play out and keep the doctor alive.
Heck i've tried to hint at it enough with these damn gifs...
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
Are you sure the gunsmith doesn't have a mafia alignment?
Doctor claim is not believable because it would also imply that TMM has not read the last 2 pages of this thread where we agreed that Croatia is certainly pro town and instead just shot him randomly against the will of the town.
Lynch TheManxMissle
Please everybody make a lynch TMM vote as fast as you can because while I don't have time to do the maths yet we may not even have the chance to make a single mistake.
Gunsmith if you are still alive facepalm yourself and toss a coin (or make a decision) between Sammy and I to hand the gun.
trekbmc wrote:
Are you sure the gunsmith doesn't have a mafia alignment?
Doctor claim is not believable because it would also imply that TMM has not read the last 2 pages of this thread where we agreed that Croatia is certainly pro town and instead just shot him randomly against the will of the town.
I've not been here over the weekend, so trying to read all that double talk, circular logic and disagreement was nigh on impossible. Especially when mafia is still active and can influence discussion.
I thought Croatia has been mafia for a long time. When i kept trying to bring attention to him, either players would vote us to a tie or i would be attacked by the mafia. He was the linking factor. The logic seemed solid to me.
And c'mon, i've been doing doctor gifs for days guys. Slightly surprised the mafia didn't make more of an attack on me over it
trekbmc wrote:
Are you sure the gunsmith doesn't have a mafia alignment?
Doctor claim is not believable because it would also imply that TMM has not read the last 2 pages of this thread where we agreed that Croatia is certainly pro town and instead just shot him randomly against the will of the town.
I've not been here over the weekend, so trying to read all that double talk, circular logic and disagreement was nigh on impossible. Especially when mafia is still active and can influence discussion.
I thought Croatia has been mafia for a long time. When i kept trying to bring attention to him, either players would vote us to a tie or i would be attacked by the mafia. He was the linking factor. The logic seemed solid to me.
And c'mon, i've been doing doctor gifs for days guys. Slightly surprised the mafia didn't make more of an attack on me over it
So either:
a. You took a random shot in the dark, didn't bother reading any part of the discussion where we clearly outlined that only 3 or 4 players are worth killing in about a dozen different posts (Ian, WSF, bikex and you) and just shot the player who was generally agreed upon as the second most trusted in the game.
b. You are the Godfather.
I was going to label them as Best Option and Worst Option but honestly if Option A is true I'd lose a lot of respect for you. So I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are mafia.
A quick note on the maths, we can still afford an incorrect lynch if the godfather is killed first but not if the terrorist blows them up first (unless there is a doctor save or another gun involved), TMM has practically confirmed himself as the Godfather though, so assuming we make the obvious choice to lynch him today and the mafia kills tonight, tomorrow we will be 4-1 on the mafia, meaning if we get an incorrect lynch we will still be 2-1 up on the final day and have one final lynch left.
Still a difficult situation but TMM outing himself may mean we only have to lynch 1 more mafia with two attempts, which is very slightly better than 2 mafia with 3 attempts.
a. You took a random shot in the dark, didn't bother reading any part of the discussion where we clearly outlined that only 3 or 4 players are worth killing in about a dozen different posts (Ian, WSF, bikex and you) and just shot the player who was generally agreed upon as the second most trusted in the game.
b. You are the Godfather.
I was going to label them as Best Option and Worst Option but honestly if Option A is true I'd lose a lot of respect for you. So I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are mafia.
I'm not a smart doctor, i'm more like The Tod. I know that i'm not mafia, so large parts of that discussion where already incorrect which undermines a lot of the logic. So i didn't ignore them, but if i know it's wrong why would i listen?
I know it's wrong, now i have to figure out why. Either you're all equally foolish (possible) or the mafia is doing a good job deflecting attention. As earlier in the game when i was trying to shift focus to new people we got tie voting, and then the mafia tried to murder me.
So i have some real evidence the mafia are playing a clever game and keeping attention off themselves. Then i get a gun, which gives me the chance to act when i know the rest of the town won't back me up.
If i was the Godfather, why kill a day after knockout and so badly. It leaves just one member of the mafia behind, at a huge numerical disadvantage. At least with two mafia players in game they can continue to co-operate and influence the game. One member alone against 6 other people, they're fucked!
And get off your damn high horse. Not everyone has hours to commit by re-reading some seriously long and complex posts, then analysing them. Then getting on in time to contribute to that discussion before the day runs out.
I stand by my action. There was connected logic founded in real actions of the game, not wild theory. And i know as the doctor the only way to mafia can kill me is with a gun or the terrories. Either way they get exposed and into real trouble.
Kill me now, the mafia gets a huge boost in their position. Keep me alive and the mafia either has to halve their own numbers, or keep me alive to the end. There's a win-win for the town, we can still make the best of this, admitedly, bad shooting.
I'm not a smart doctor, i'm more like The Tod. I know that i'm not mafia, so large parts of that discussion where already incorrect which undermines a lot of the logic. So i didn't ignore them, but if i know it's wrong why would i listen?
I know it's wrong, now i have to figure out why. Either you're all equally foolish (possible) or the mafia is doing a good job deflecting attention. As earlier in the game when i was trying to shift focus to new people we got tie voting, and then the mafia tried to murder me.
So i have some real evidence the mafia are playing a clever game and keeping attention off themselves. Then i get a gun, which gives me the chance to act when i know the rest of the town won't back me up.
There was general agreement that there were four players with the highest potential to be mafia, you're on that list but at least 2 non-mafia were going to be on that list anyway, seems like a poor reason to denounce us all as incorrect. Bikex and Ian, who both may or may not be mafia (since you are mafia, at least one of them isn't), agreed with the list and while stating that they were townie, did not try to deviate, bikex had known doubts about Croatia but accepted the town's decision to trust him fully.
If i was the Godfather, why kill a day after knockout and so badly. It leaves just one member of the mafia behind, at a huge numerical disadvantage. At least with two mafia players in game they can continue to co-operate and influence the game. One member alone against 6 other people, they're fucked!
You've spent the rest of the post outlining why you're not up to poor making fully correct decisions, then questioned your reasoning.
Also:
Well that wasn't as subtly as i hoped...
Makes it sound like you were banking on the 50% chance you would not be revealed. And if you were sure Croatia was mafia you would've announced ahead of time to confirm yourself as town.
And get off your damn high horse. Not everyone has hours to commit by re-reading some seriously long and complex posts, then analysing them. Then getting on in time to contribute to that discussion before the day runs out.
You skimmed the thread to know that you were on the list of suspects, but didn't look at the remaining list to shoot somebody else who was on it? I'm not saying that you have to analyse the thread or even read absolutely everything but it wouldn't be that hard to simply look at the plan before shooting your gun and if you really don't have time - don't shoot!
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Also, you imply that (if you are doctor) the mafia can't kill you, which means you plan to heal yourself every day rather than trying to predict the mafia's movements, which is probably a less helpful way (especially now as the mafia would just kill everybody but you in that case) for the doctor to play and you also reveal yourself as a major lynching target (pretty much the godfather) by shooting somebody. I'm kinda confused by how this all fits together.
@Doctor, unless you absolutely have to counter-claim later to get TMM lynched, you should still take your secret to the grave better to keep the mafia guessing if you are alive or not and who you are going to save.
So TMM just shot maybe the most analytical and helpful probable townie, along with trek. That in itself is bad enough for what it costs us both in numbers and knowledge, but then there's this:
So i have some real evidence the mafia are playing a clever game and keeping attention off themselves. Then i get a gun, which gives me the chance to act when i know the rest of the town won't back me up.
I stand by my action. There was connected logic founded in real actions of the game, not wild theory. And i know as the doctor the only way to mafia can kill me is with a gun or the terrories. Either way they get exposed and into real trouble.
Okay, great, we here about all this logic and evidence that you have, but what is it? You talk about circular talk, but then what have you just done? If you have such a dissenting opinion to the general consensus, it would be a lot nicer for the town if you expressed it in words rather than blind firing. Of course, the fact that you didn't, and continue to not be able to, means, at least to me, you must have a mafia agenda. I can't reconcile how this could happen any other way, but feel free to enlighten me with the time left.
Lynch TheManxMissile
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy
Eh, f*ck it. Lynch me. I know i'm not gonna talk myself out of it. Mistakes were made, but damn it would have been sweet if i was right. Clearly my brain isn't as big as you experienced guys. I'll reminice on my time alive as the torch bearing mob forms. Just make sure you get 'em dirty mobsters in the end!
At first I have to say thank you to TMM for removing the biggest nuisance from the game.
trekbmc wrote:
There was general agreement that there were four players with the highest potential to be mafia, you're on that list but at least 2 non-mafia were going to be on that list anyway, seems like a poor reason to denounce us all as incorrect. Bikex and Ian, who both may or may not be mafia (since you are mafia, at least one of them isn't), agreed with the list and while stating that they were townie, did not try to deviate, bikex had known doubts about Croatia but accepted the town's decision to trust him fully.
That's wrong that list was not a general agreement, but only your oppinion. I thought for most of the game that TMM is pro town and definitely did not agree having him on the list. I still am not certain he is the godfather.
TMM wanted to lynch Croatia already before some times and he was of that oppinion when Crotia was striking with suspicious behaviour. We know he was not here for most of the time the last days, so it is very much possible he missed large parts of the discussion.
@TMM: Can you tell us when you received the gun?
If he did only recently I can't blame the gunsmith at this moment, as TMM was from the odds one of the safer bets to be townie.
It is also true TMM did use some doctor gifs, but not that many, so it does not necessarily mean much. However if it was on purpose, I'm not sure if someone from the mafia would be able to plan that much ahead that he'd get in the situation and had to point back at his gifs.
What I find weird, is that TMM got already into the defensive, before jandal confirmed Croatia's protown alignment. And also I'm not sure about the timing of his gun use. If TMM is a townie it is true that he'd be one of the next kills by the mafia, as he was cleared by jseadog, but if he is the doctor he could've just safed himself?
I like your move to always safe yourself, if that is true.
Despite these unclairities I think it would be much more stupid by the Godfather to use a gun now. Sure he could've hoped on the 50% but is the risk really worth it. If we look at it, it is going well for the mafia at the moment and the town is looking more actively for the Terrorist. From the Godfather's point of view, it would've been way smarter to keep his gun until he gets in the focus, instead of using it now and potentially getting into the focus right away.
Until someone else claims to be the doctor, I am leaning towards TMM being the doctor. If he turns out to be the Godfather, I'll look really stupid, I know.
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