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| Dippofix |
Posted on 07-01-2015 13:24
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I'd say that favours small, one dimensional teams a little. Anyway, surprised to see Avia - Orlen Oil so high up given we have way too many crappy young riders, of which only the fewest will be renewed again anyway.
Edited by Dippofix on 07-01-2015 13:27
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| matt17br |
Posted on 07-01-2015 13:44
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Best CT team 
I expected a nice spot as I tried to get a team full of great domestiques! Also, since the team has got all young riders, that's even more great, as they will surely grow in the next years 
Good stuff trek!
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| Silvio Herklotz |
Posted on 07-01-2015 13:56
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2nd best just behind knockout. Looking good for next year! 
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| Roextro |
Posted on 07-01-2015 15:32
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Well I have a lot of low average domestiques and then 4 or 5 high averaged leaders |
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| knockout |
Posted on 07-01-2015 15:36
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Silvio Herklotz wrote:
2nd best just behind knockout. Looking good for next year!
Liking trekbmc's average table but to be fair: Most of my lower domestiques are talents so my real average should be way lower...
Shonak wrote:
A bit surprised to see Liberty Seguros - Würth so down below (last of the former established WT teams) but I must admit that the transfer season hasn't been a hit whilst I was mainly focusing on research, bringing in some spanish talent on board and losing some top riders like Sanchez, Nieve and Tangert and also dealing with the decline of important helpers (notable Arroyo, Plaza). No worries though. Surely the times are past where even knockout applauded our insane hilly climbing depth and there's hardly a chance we will win World Tour Rankings again this year but in turn, we might profit from this in the long run if second-line riders step up their game like planned.
@Knockout: Will you make another rankings based on MT, Sp, HL, TT and such?
I'd love, too. But i'll need to see if i'll have the time once the final db is out. If I'll do one then it will propably be a bit shorter than last time but we'll see.
I really hope that my team can also top the WT rankings this time. A restructuring might be coming in the next offseason so this may be the best time to win the WT rankings after winning the Prestige Ranking last year..
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 07-01-2015 18:50
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nacho63 wrote:
Not the worse WT team
damnit 
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| The Rider |
Posted on 07-01-2015 18:53
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Thanks for that trekbmc, nice to see you upping the activity here.
Even if that table only shows how bad average team ratings are when used to compare teams. ie. Allianz are the third ranked team there yet, to me, they will do well to avoid the bottom three of the WT rankings with that team. |
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| jaxika |
Posted on 07-01-2015 18:54
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The Rider wrote:
Thanks for that trekbmc, nice to see you upping the activity here.
Even if that table only shows how bad average team ratings are when used to compare teams. ie. Allianz are the third ranked team there yet, to me, they will do well to avoid the bottom three of the WT rankings with that team.
Thats the ugly truth |
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| jaxika |
Posted on 07-01-2015 18:56
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The Rider wrote:
Thanks for that trekbmc, nice to see you upping the activity here.
Even if that table only shows how bad average team ratings are when used to compare teams. ie. Allianz are the third ranked team there yet, to me, they will do well to avoid the bottom three of the WT rankings with that team.
Thats the ugly truth |
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 07-01-2015 19:02
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The Rider wrote:
Thanks for that trekbmc, nice to see you upping the activity here.
Even if that table only shows how bad average team ratings are when used to compare teams. ie. Allianz are the third ranked team there yet, to me, they will do well to avoid the bottom three of the WT rankings with that team.
same with my team, with Valverde/Majka/Kiserlovski/Sánchez I doubt I'll finish last this season, just everyone behind those four are not that great (awful)
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| Bikex |
Posted on 07-01-2015 21:30
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Great job with the team average table trekbmc.
I hope to upload the final db tomorrow. Sorry for the slow progress at the moment but I'm quite busy these weeks. |
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 07-01-2015 21:39
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Nice table but doesn't really mean a lot, to me anyway. It surprisingly is about race choices and where your top riders go so we'll see how it is at the end of the season.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 07-01-2015 21:42
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I have a good average team, but no real star, so I doubt I'll finish as high as planned.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 08-01-2015 00:04
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Thanks guys, I understand how inaccurate it is, but it's just for interest and at the end of the season we can compare this to the actual results,
I've also made ones for the main stats, again, it's just as inaccurate as the last but it's still interesting:
Mountain
| Team | Average Mountain | Division | | LA Aluminios - Antarte | 72.5 | WT | | Liberty Seguros - Würth | 71.6 | WT | | EcoPetrol - Vivo | 71.3 | WT | | LIUCPBM3CGIPBT | 69.8 | WT | | Air China | 69.4 | WT | | Gazprom Cycling Team | 69.4 | WT | | Vegeta Cycling Team | 68.3 | CT | | Eurosport - Pepsi | 68.3 | CT | | SAP - Bianchi | 68.1 | CT | | Fred Whitton Race Team | 68.0 | WT | | Swiss Life Team | 67.7 | WT | | ExxonMobil - Geberit | 67.5 | WT | | Avia Orlen Oil | 67.1 | WT | | Team Parmalat - HTC | 66.9 | CT | | Prorace - Camtel | 66.7 | WT | | Team Bunzl - Centrica | 66.6 | WT | | Telecom Namibia Cycling Team | 66.6 | CT | | Bulgaria Air | 66.5 | WT | | Fiskars Cycling | 66.5 | CT | | Filliers - Mora Pro Cycling Team | 66.2 | WT | | CarbonSports Cycling p/b Lightweight | 66.2 | CT | | Saeco - Cannondale | 66.0 | CT | | Peugeot Cycling Team | 66.0 | WT | | TVM - Sanyo | 65.9 | CT | | La Gazzetta Dello Sport - Gaerne | 65.8 | CT | | Celesio Pro Cycling | 65.8 | WT | | Allianz | 65.5 | WT | | Air Baltic | 65.4 | CT | | Team Istanbul Cycling | 65.4 | CT | | Geox - Kalev Cycling Project | 64.9 | CT | | Smartone Cycling Team | 64.3 | CT | | Team Cymru Wales | 64.1 | CT | | Rapha - Rouleur Pro Cycling | 63.6 | CT | | Velux - Saxo - IBM | 61.3 | CT | | Petronas - HTC Pro Cycling Team | 60.1 | CT |
Hill
| Team | Average Hill | Division | | LA Aluminios - Antarte | 73.0 | WT | | Liberty Seguros - Würth | 72.5 | WT | | LIUCPBM3CGIPBT | 72.0 | WT | | Prorace - Camtel | 72.0 | WT | | CarbonSports Cycling p/b Lightweight | 71.9 | WT | | Gazprom Cycling Team | 71.9 | WT | | Filliers - Mora Pro Cycling Team | 71.8 | CT | | Avia Orlen Oil | 71.6 | CT | | EcoPetrol - Vivo | 71.6 | WT | | Air China | 71.4 | WT | | Team Parmalat - HTC | 71.1 | WT | | Team Bunzl - Centrica | 71.0 | WT | | Celesio Pro Cycling | 71.0 | WT | | Allianz | 71.0 | CT | | SAP - Bianchi | 70.9 | CT | | Vegeta Cycling Team | 70.7 | WT | | Eurosport - Pepsi | 70.5 | CT | | Swiss Life Team | 70.5 | WT | | Saeco - Cannondale | 70.4 | CT | | Air Baltic | 70.2 | WT | | TVM - Sanyo | 69.8 | CT | | ExxonMobil - Geberit | 69.7 | CT | | La Gazzetta Dello Sport - Gaerne | 69.5 | WT | | Fred Whitton Race Team | 69.5 | CT | | Peugeot Cycling Team | 69.2 | CT | | Fiskars Cycling | 69.2 | WT | | Telecom Namibia Cycling Team | 69.1 | WT | | Smartone Cycling Team | 69.0 | CT | | Team Cymru Wales | 68.8 | CT | | Team Istanbul Cycling | 68.7 | CT | | Geox - Kalev Cycling Project | 68.5 | CT | | Rapha - Rouleur Pro Cycling | 67.7 | CT | | Bulgaria Air | 67.4 | CT | | Velux - Saxo - IBM | 66.5 | CT | | Petronas - HTC Pro Cycling Team | 64.1 | CT |
Time Trial
| Team | Average Time Trial | Division | | Liberty Seguros - Würth | 69.6 | WT | | Prorace - Camtel | 69.2 | WT | | Gazprom Cycling Team | 68.7 | WT | | CarbonSports Cycling p/b Lightweight | 68.6 | WT | | Team Bunzl - Centrica | 68.6 | WT | | LA Aluminios - Antarte | 68.2 | WT | | Smartone Cycling Team | 67.9 | CT | | Fred Whitton Race Team | 67.8 | CT | | Avia Orlen Oil | 67.3 | WT | | Filliers - Mora Pro Cycling Team | 67.2 | WT | | Eurosport - Pepsi | 67.2 | WT | | Fiskars Cycling | 67.1 | WT | | LIUCPBM3CGIPBT | 66.7 | WT | | TVM - Sanyo | 66.5 | CT | | Swiss Life Team | 66.4 | WT | | Allianz | 66.4 | WT | | EcoPetrol - Vivo | 66.2 | CT | | Air Baltic | 66.1 | WT | | Vegeta Cycling Team | 66.1 | CT | | ExxonMobil - Geberit | 66.0 | WT | | Team Cymru Wales | 66.0 | CT | | Rapha - Rouleur Pro Cycling | 66.0 | CT | | Air China | 65.8 | WT | | Geox - Kalev Cycling Project | 65.8 | CT | | Celesio Pro Cycling | 65.6 | CT | | SAP - Bianchi | 65.5 | CT | | Bulgaria Air | 65.0 | WT | | Team Parmalat - HTC | 64.9 | CT | | La Gazzetta Dello Sport - Gaerne | 64.4 | CT | | Team Istanbul Cycling | 64.2 | CT | | Saeco - Cannondale | 63.9 | CT | | Peugeot Cycling Team | 63.8 | CT | | Telecom Namibia Cycling Team | 63.8 | CT | | Petronas - HTC Pro Cycling Team | 62.8 | CT | | Velux - Saxo - IBM | 60.9 | CT |
Sprint
| Team | Average Time Trial | Division | | Allianz | 72.3 | WT | | CarbonSports Cycling p/b Lightweight | 71.4 | WT | | Celesio Pro Cycling | 70.9 | WT | | Saeco - Cannondale | 69.8 | CT | | TVM - Sanyo | 69.3 | CT | | Team Parmalat - HTC | 68.8 | CT | | Smartone Cycling Team | 68.6 | WT | | Swiss Life Team | 68.5 | WT | | Geox - Kalev Cycling Project | 68.4 | CT | | Filliers - Mora Pro Cycling Team | 68.3 | WT | | Team Bunzl - Centrica | 68.3 | WT | | Avia Orlen Oil | 68.0 | WT | | Gazprom Cycling Team | 67.9 | WT | | Prorace - Camtel | 67.7 | WT | | Peugeot Cycling Team | 67.6 | CT | | Telecom Namibia Cycling Team | 67.3 | CT | | Fiskars Cycling | 67.3 | WT | | Team Cymru Wales | 66.6 | CT | | La Gazzetta Dello Sport - Gaerne | 66.6 | CT | | SAP - Bianchi | 66.5 | CT | | Velux - Saxo - IBM | 66.5 | CT | | Rapha - Rouleur Pro Cycling | 66.3 | CT | | Air China | 66.0 | WT | | Eurosport - Pepsi | 65.8 | CT | | LIUCPBM3CGIPBT | 65.8 | WT | | Vegeta Cycling Team | 65.6 | WT | | Bulgaria Air | 65.5 | CT | | Air Baltic | 65.4 | CT | | Liberty Seguros - Würth | 65.2 | WT | | LA Aluminios - Antarte | 64.9 | WT | | Team Istanbul Cycling | 64.6 | CT | | ExxonMobil - Geberit | 64.5 | CT | | Fred Whitton Race Team | 64.3 | WT | | EcoPetrol - Vivo | 64.1 | WT | | Petronas - HTC Pro Cycling Team | 63.2 | CT |
Cobblestone
| Team | Average Time Trial | Division | | Prorace - Camtel | 68.9 | WT | | CarbonSports Cycling p/b Lightweight | 68.8 | WT | | Filliers - Mora Pro Cycling Team | 66.9 | WT | | Allianz - BMW Cycling Team | 66.0 | WT | | Geox - Kalev Cycling Project | 65.9 | CT | | Avia Orlen Oil | 65.8 | WT | | Smartone Cycling Team | 65.6 | CT | | Celesio Pro Cycling | 65.1 | WT | | TVM - Sanyo | 64.9 | CT | | SAP - Bianchi | 64.3 | CT | | Team Bunzl - Centrica | 64.2 | WT | | Fiskars Cycling | 64.0 | WT | | Team Cymru Wales | 63.8 | CT | | Rapha - Rouleur Pro Cycling | 62.9 | CT | | Air China | 62.7 | WT | | ExxonMobil - Geberit | 62.5 | CT | | Team Parmalat - HTC | 62.3 | CT | | Air Baltic | 61.9 | WT | | Gazprom Cycling Team | 61.9 | WT | | Peugeot Cycling Team | 61.8 | CT | | Eurosport - Pepsi | 61.7 | CT | | Saeco - Cannondale | 61.7 | CT | | La Gazzetta Dello Sport - Gaerne | 61.6 | CT | | Liberty Seguros - Würth | 61.3 | WT | | Fred Whitton Race Team | 60.7 | WT | | LIUCPBM3CGIPBT | 60.0 | WT | | Swiss Life Team | 60.0 | WT | | Telecom Namibia Cycling Team | 59.7 | CT | | Vegeta Cycling Team | 59.6 | WT | | Team Istanbul Cycling | 59.6 | CT | | Bulgaria Air | 59.5 | CT | | Petronas - HTC Pro Cycling Team | 59.3 | CT | | Velux - Saxo - IBM | 58.5 | CT | | EcoPetrol - Vivo | 58.0 | WT | | LA Aluminios - Antarte | 57.4 | WT |
Edited by trekbmc on 08-01-2015 00:47
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| Silvio Herklotz |
Posted on 08-01-2015 00:16
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CarbonSports isn't last in mountains
And Gazprom is high up in Mo, Hi and TT, quite ok in Sprint - we only suck on cobbles
(To be honest, these tables are saying nothing - even less than the one with the teams' AVG. Because your team average in a stat doesn't matter at all as you won't send your sprinters to mountain races etc.)
Edited by Silvio Herklotz on 08-01-2015 00:17
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 08-01-2015 00:23
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-Best average MO and HIL. That was unexpected. It is however mainly because my focus is on these areas.
-Decently high in TT
-In sprints and cobbles very low which was to be expected.
-And you screwed up the divisions in Cobble and Sprint. At least for La-Antarte and Liberty-Seguros and a few others.
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 08-01-2015 00:28
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Silvio Herklotz wrote:
(To be honest, these tables are saying nothing - even less than the one with the teams' AVG. Because your team average in a stat doesn't matter at all as you won't send your sprinters to mountain races etc.)
I just made them for interest and figured I would post them, read them if you want, ignore them if you don't, but, you are right, they don't say much.
@luisleonsanchez
ok, I'll fix that, I was using a function on my excel file that must have done something weird.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 08-01-2015 00:55
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my teqm is so OP
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 08-01-2015 00:59
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Paul23 wrote:
my teqm is so OP
3 or 4 strong leaders, but I counted a total of 0 good domestiques, no, these classifications don't suit you...
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| Bikex |
Posted on 08-01-2015 11:06
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The final db is here: https://www.mediafire.com/?x184xjpmqb...jpmqb9xxde
I made the U23 team selection for Team IStanbul and Avia, as I didn't get anything from then.
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