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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 30-09-2013 18:39
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https://nos.nl/l/5...
(Dutch Radio correspondent who was present at the Congress)
For those who can understand it, skip to 4:41.
The way it was brought was weird. Pieter Zevenbergen from the Ethics Comission came with 5 incidents in cycling in which the Ethics Commission made a statement. 4 of those, were properly researched, but the fifth was like a rabbit from a magician's head. He suddenly came with a story that the Greek federation mentioned that they would have been offered 25.000 Euro in support for Cookson.
But this issue has not even been researched at all, he said that as well. But that does look very weird in such a congress when it's a fight between two men, when one of those two men is being denigrated by the UCI Ethics Commission, out of all. Then everyone calls that they should investigate it properly before releasing information like this. But that was indeed a very strange story.
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 30-09-2013 21:12
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CrueTrue wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
So Cookson it is. Why is no one bothered by the news about him bribing the Greek officials? Maybe we just moved from one corrupt man to another? I hope not, good that Pat is out finally.
I wonder how Cookson will handle the possible huge scandal coming from his own islands...
He has categorically denied any possible bribe (as in: He didn't do it). Maybe Makarov? 
Nail on the head.
Cookson won because Makarov out McQuaided McQuaid. It was the only way someone could win without becoming entirely dirty themselves. Nothing can stick to Cookson because he technically didn't do anything, he can't control the actions of someone that supports him.
Its like all the sporting bodies. You can only oust someone corrupt by outbidding them. The real test in changing things so that someone can oust you without breaking the back. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 30-09-2013 21:26
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BritPCMFan wrote:
Cookson won because Makarov out McQuaided McQuaid.
I thought the word for that was Verbruggen'ed. Might be wrong... |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 01-10-2013 06:45
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BritPCMFan wrote:
Nothing can stick to Cookson because he technically didn't do anything, he can't control the actions of someone that supports him.
Its like all the sporting bodies. You can only oust someone corrupt by outbidding them. The real test in changing things so that someone can oust you without breaking the back.
I am not sure if i am okay with this. If you have supporters who are corrupted, it makes you also corrupt, simple. Or you have to disconnect from these people.
Getting rid of mafia by mafia actions is not welcomed from me. But hey, i will give man a chance to prove he is the right one for "sportmanship cycling".
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Posted on 01-10-2013 09:23
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Posted on 01-10-2013 13:37
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Endura statement on JTL https://www.endura.co.uk/blog.asp?Blog...BlogID=156
Pretty much reads as innocent until proven guilty, should have remained confidential etc...but if it is anything then he was effectively under Sky management at the time... |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 01-10-2013 18:18
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issoisso wrote:
Pantani Memorial edition Giro d'Italia 2014
GC stages in bold
May 9, stage 1: Belfast TTT
May 10, stage 2: Belfast-Belfast
May 11, stage 3: Armagh-Dublin
May 12: Rest day
May 13, stage 4: Bari-Taranto
May 14, stage 5: Taranto-Viggiano
May 15, stage 6: Sassano-Montecassino
May 16, stage 7: Frosinone-Foligno
May 17, stage 8: Foligno-Montecopiolo
May 18, stage 9: Lugo-Sestola
May 19: Rest day, Modena
May 20, stage 10: Modena-Salsomaggiore
May 21, stage 11: Correggio-Savona
May 22, stage 12: Barbaresco-Barolo ITT – 46km
May 23, stage 13: Fossano-Rivarolo
May 24, stage 14: Agliè-Santuario di Oropa
May 25, stage 15: Valdengo-Plan di Montecampione
May 26: Rest day, Ponte di Legno
May 27, stage 16: Ponte di Legno-Val Martello (same route as 2013 cancelled stage)
May 28, stage 17: Sarnonico-Vittorio Veneto
May 29, stage 18: Belluno-Malga Panarotta
May 30, stage 19: Monte Grappa ITT
May 31, stage 20: Maniago-Monte Zoncolan – 167km.
June 1, stage 21: Gemona-Trieste
Stage 16? Really?
Not sure quite what to think of the route, depends on what stages like 14, 15 and 18 look like; but the Monte Grappa MTT sounds quite interesting.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 01-10-2013 18:23
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issoisso wrote:
Pantani Memorial edition Giro d'Italia 2014
GC stages in bold
May 9, stage 1: Belfast TTT
May 10, stage 2: Belfast-Belfast
May 11, stage 3: Armagh-Dublin
May 12: Rest day
May 13, stage 4: Bari-Taranto
May 14, stage 5: Taranto-Viggiano
May 15, stage 6: Sassano-Montecassino
May 16, stage 7: Frosinone-Foligno
May 17, stage 8: Foligno-Montecopiolo
May 18, stage 9: Lugo-Sestola
May 19: Rest day, Modena
May 20, stage 10: Modena-Salsomaggiore
May 21, stage 11: Correggio-Savona
May 22, stage 12: Barbaresco-Barolo ITT – 46km
May 23, stage 13: Fossano-Rivarolo
May 24, stage 14: Agliè-Santuario di Oropa
May 25, stage 15: Valdengo-Plan di Montecampione
May 26: Rest day, Ponte di Legno
May 27, stage 16: Ponte di Legno-Val Martello (same route as 2013 cancelled stage)
May 28, stage 17: Sarnonico-Vittorio Veneto
May 29, stage 18: Belluno-Malga Panarotta
May 30, stage 19: Monte Grappa ITT
May 31, stage 20: Maniago-Monte Zoncolan – 167km.
June 1, stage 21: Gemona-Trieste
Not shore if I like it. |
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 01-10-2013 18:34
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
BritPCMFan wrote:
Nothing can stick to Cookson because he technically didn't do anything, he can't control the actions of someone that supports him.
Its like all the sporting bodies. You can only oust someone corrupt by outbidding them. The real test in changing things so that someone can oust you without breaking the back.
I am not sure if i am okay with this. If you have supporters who are corrupted, it makes you also corrupt, simple. Or you have to disconnect from these people.
Getting rid of mafia by mafia actions is not welcomed from me. But hey, i will give man a chance to prove he is the right one for "sportmanship cycling".
Its not great. Ideally it wouldn't happen. The problem is that when you have system as intrenched as the UCI its impossible to get into power without some sort of corruption in your favor. Hence why I will judge Cookson from what he does from becoming president and not how he did he became presi.
And yeah Aqua, you prolly right. Out Verbruggened is probably a better term XD
Also, on the whole JTL thing.]
Sky: Its from a time when he wasn't officially on our team, we tested and nothing showed and other guys tested and nothing showed.
Endura: We didn't see anything suspect, he was with Sky alot who didn't see anything suspect and other teams also tested and thought he was clean.
I kind of get the feeling from the Sky camp though that they are not in a slightest bit suprised having seen his performance levels vanish on joining them. Normally teams defend thier riders at first. Sky are making no defence of him and imo are already preparing to kick him into touch. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 01-10-2013 18:54
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Will be watching the Vittorio and Grappa stages and reminiscing about the summer.
Disappointed with the Zoncolan summit finish. Climbing and descending it would be much more interesting (with another climb following). |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 01-10-2013 19:01
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issoisso wrote:
Pantani Memorial edition Giro d'Italia 2014
GC stages in bold
Stage 9 will be a GC factor too. MTF finish up in Piandelfalco
I can't really make a proper judgement before seeing the profiles, but it looks quite promising so far. Im afraid the insane final week (especially stage 18-20) will be so hard that no one will dare trying something earlier
Good thing is, the 2nd week looks cool. Carpegna on stage 8 in particular
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| kumazan |
Posted on 01-10-2013 19:10
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2014 was a great year to make it a proper WWI memorial like the Tour de France is apprently planning (they are kinda doing it anyway with Vittorio Veneto and Grappa), and they prefer to dedicate it to a drug addict. Way to go.
Difficult to rate the route not knowing the exact profiles, but I don't like the MTF orgy.
Edit: Forgot to say, as Pelli mentioned, ridiculously backloaded. Again.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 01-10-2013 19:20
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I dared to criticize the Giro ---> isso comes to say I'm negative. So a normal day after all. I was worried it was taking you so long.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 01-10-2013 19:23
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Well, I don't like the route. And, well, dedicating to the 10 year's of the death of Pantani. Won't comment on that. Hate that 3rd week tough. |
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 01-10-2013 19:32
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kumazan wrote:
2014 was a great year to make it a proper WWI memorial like the Tour de France is apprently planning (they are kinda doing it anyway with Vittorio Veneto and Grappa), and they prefer to dedicate it to a drug addict. Way to go.
Difficult to rate the route not knowing the exact profiles, but I don't like the MTF orgy.
Edit: Forgot to say, as Pelli mentioned, ridiculously backloaded. Again.
Showing much respect I see? 
Think it looks like a good route, but a bit to many MTF. Good route overall even though it's hard to say whitout having the profiles of the stages. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 01-10-2013 19:37
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Face it, Pantani died as a drug addict.
Paying a tribute to the EPO-wonder he was, why not after all. But what lesson has been learnt from his sad fate ? None that I can think of, so is this tribute meant so that the same mistakes are repeated again and again ? That's confusing. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 01-10-2013 19:37
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I don't think I'm lying there. While many drug addicts are ostracized in our society, another one gets to be dedicated the route of a GT in a sport which has had (and still has to a lesser extent) a massive drug problem.
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 01-10-2013 19:42
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That's ok, but who wasn't at that time.
He was idolised by many in the 90's. The greatest climber ever. So I don't think it's to unnatural to have a dedication to him. |
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Posted on 01-10-2013 19:42
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kumazan wrote:
2014 was a great year to make it a proper WWI memorial like the Tour de France is apprently planning (they are kinda doing it anyway with Vittorio Veneto and Grappa), and they prefer to dedicate it to a drug addict. Way to go.
Italy only joined the allies in 1915.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 01-10-2013 20:41
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Oh, sure, but the war started in '14 anyway, and the visits to Vittorio Veneto and Grappa could be therefore used for that purpose. This said, if they do it next year it's fair enough, but it feels like kind of a missed chance.
Montolivo wrote:
That's ok, but who wasn't at that time.
He was idolised by many in the 90's. The greatest climber ever. So I don't think it's to unnatural to have a dedication to him.
Many chose to leave their dream of being a professional cyclist because of that. Those wasn't.
I know he was, and still is, idolized by many. It's ok, I'm nobody to tell anyone who they should or shouldn't idolize. The point is that one of the sport's biggest organizers shouldn't do it for mere respect to all the riders who chose a honest way of enjoying their sport.
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