weirdskyfan64 wrote:
Changing the subject, did any other Brits watch Farage v Clegg(on Europe) on Beeb Two yesterday?
Yep. Farage once again made up statistics and Clegg desperately tried to regain public trust, so not too different to the first one in that regard. As someone with an interest in Politics - looking to study it at uni - it was painful and just served to strengthen UKIP further, which makes me despair greatly. I mean the Conservatives are bad enough, but UKIP are even worse and Farage is incredibly hypocritical, while his attacks on immigrants are just plain unnecessary. Have an angry blog I wrote a while back https://comradegautama.wordpress.com/2...ation-lie/. I am worried about the number of UKIP supporters I see in my area, although hopefully they won't win any seats and Farage will clear off back to the pub permanently. As for Clegg, he'll be gone in a year or so anyway - I can't see him remaining Lib Dem leader post election.
Agreed. Nigel Farage IS an alien(well, not quite, but that pub shot at the council elections-ugh). He won 69 to 31 percent on not one but TWO polls - God help us.
Edited by weirdskyfan64 on 03-04-2014 18:18
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Changing the subject- I know no-one else cares, but any thoughts on the Scottish independence referendum?
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Winner of a FIFA Prediction Fair Play Award (a phrase becoming increasingly ironic) "... Because he (me) has a sound tactical mind in general..." jandal7, at 9:30 am GMT on 12th May 2016
weirdskyfan64 wrote:
Changing the subject- I know no-one else cares, but any thoughts on the Scottish independence referendum?
It's amusing how few fucks English (pretend to) give about the referendum. As an Irishman I'd be happy for them, but of course it's got a fair few economical disadvantages, for both sides. In the end, they must know themselves what's best for them, though I'm not too well informed anyway.
Well, it's the biggest political decision in this country for 300 years - but you're right. The Yes campaign like the word 'scaremongering', and they are horrible, but if I was Scottish, just emotionally, I'd vote yes.
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weirdskyfan64 wrote:
Changing the subject- I know no-one else cares, but any thoughts on the Scottish independence referendum?
I hope the Yes campaign wins and invites the North East and Yorkshire to go with them. I'd rather be ruled from Edinburgh than Westminster. Never will happen though
Every Scotish person i know, and every Scotish person they know all say the same thing: They would like to say Yes to independence, but the economics and politics do not back up the emotional value, so they are all voting No tomorrow.
I do think though that the result will be a Yes vote. And it's going to mean a very interesting next 3-4 years as the full cost to both Scotland and the UK becomes apparent and takes effect.
Then it will be interesting to see what happens to the EU and it's obligations to support it's members, as well as the process of accepting Scotland.
Then there will be the impact on other separatist/nationalist movements, like those in Catalonia and the Basque in Spain. It could start a real series of movements and votes across Europe and beyond to places like Quebec (again).
TheManxMissile wrote:
Every Scotish person i know, and every Scotish person they know all say the same thing: They would like to say Yes to independence, but the economics and politics do not back up the emotional value, so they are all voting No tomorrow.
I do think though that the result will be a Yes vote. And it's going to mean a very interesting next 3-4 years as the full cost to both Scotland and the UK becomes apparent and takes effect.
Then it will be interesting to see what happens to the EU and it's obligations to support it's members, as well as the process of accepting Scotland.
Then there will be the impact on other separatist/nationalist movements, like those in Catalonia and the Basque in Spain. It could start a real series of movements and votes across Europe and beyond to places like Quebec (again).
All Scottish people I know would say no before they even weighed up economics (and I know lots of Scottish people)
Sorry to offend anyone who seriously supports independence but I just don't understand how anyone in their right minds could possibly believe it would be anything other than a complete and utter travesty. This is a good illustration of one of the major flaws of democracy - a large amount of the people, who decide the outcome of situations like these, seem not to really understand the consequences of what would happen should Scotland become independent.
The only possible saving grace should independence happen would be if the UK was renamed the "Organisation of the Former United Kingdom" ("O FUK" )
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Every Scotish person i know, and every Scotish person they know all say the same thing: They would like to say Yes to independence, but the economics and politics do not back up the emotional value, so they are all voting No tomorrow.
I do think though that the result will be a Yes vote. And it's going to mean a very interesting next 3-4 years as the full cost to both Scotland and the UK becomes apparent and takes effect.
Then it will be interesting to see what happens to the EU and it's obligations to support it's members, as well as the process of accepting Scotland.
Then there will be the impact on other separatist/nationalist movements, like those in Catalonia and the Basque in Spain. It could start a real series of movements and votes across Europe and beyond to places like Quebec (again).
All Scottish people I know would say no before they even weighed up economics (and I know lots of Scottish people)
Sorry to offend anyone who seriously supports independence but I just don't understand how anyone in their right minds could possibly believe it would be anything other than a complete and utter travesty. This is a good illustration of one of the major flaws of democracy - a large amount of the people, who decide the outcome of situations like these, seem not to really understand the consequences of what would happen should Scotland become independent.
The only possible saving grace should independence happen would be if the UK was renamed the "Organisation of the Former United Kingdom" ("O FUK" )
Theoretically, it makes a lot of sense as the Scots [even with the economic disadvantages] could establish a fairer society that represents their political beliefs better. Not that it would happen with Salmond and it takes quite some belief to imagine it would with Scottish Labour but it's possible.
TheManxMissile wrote:
Every Scotish person i know, and every Scotish person they know all say the same thing: They would like to say Yes to independence, but the economics and politics do not back up the emotional value, so they are all voting No tomorrow.
I do think though that the result will be a Yes vote. And it's going to mean a very interesting next 3-4 years as the full cost to both Scotland and the UK becomes apparent and takes effect.
Then it will be interesting to see what happens to the EU and it's obligations to support it's members, as well as the process of accepting Scotland.
Then there will be the impact on other separatist/nationalist movements, like those in Catalonia and the Basque in Spain. It could start a real series of movements and votes across Europe and beyond to places like Quebec (again).
You should bet Yes is at 4.00 and that represents value with how close this could be.
The surveys say that the NO is currently on the 51%
This means that the YES is on 49%.
Then the undiceded people will make the difference. They are between the 8 and the 14%.
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HA! Englishmen! Betting on everything. Like the queen's dress' colour at William's wedding
Apparently there was one guy who bet 1.5M pounds on 'NO' today................
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So, the second tour of the Presidential Elections was held today in Romania.
And, there was quite a surprise as the Socialists leader (currently prime-minister) is set to lose, even though he had 40% (to the Liberals leader's 30%) in the first tour. And by quite a margin as the score is probably going to be something like 55-45.
This is the 3rd Presidential election in a row that the Socialists lose, so I guess we are moving forward.
Still, it's amazing how 25 years after the fall of the Communist block the Socialists still get so many votes.
Also, they had clear attempts to block some of the votes coming from people who are living abroad (knowing that they are going to lose big time there).
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