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Armstrong stops fighting doping charges - USADA wants him banned and stripped for titles
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 10-10-2012 23:35
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KayZeroX wrote:
Going to bed now, have fun downing my post, all you Armstrong haters 
The art otherwise known as running away 
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-10-2012 23:36
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SportingNonsense wrote:
KayZeroX wrote:
Going to bed now, have fun downing my post, all you Armstrong haters
The art otherwise known as running away
at least no-one mentioned Hitler 
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 10-10-2012 23:38
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CLURPR wrote:
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Failed tests ? You mean the negative tests that suddenly turn out positive (from whoever they were!) after many years.
In this case you either believe the USADA those tests are legit - or like me , you do not believe a single word USADA has to say. Because like many other people allready mentioned, this looks like an corrupt witchhunt.
How do you explain his positive cortisone test in 1999? His 2001 positive EPO test at the Tour de Suisse which he allegedly bribed the UCI? There is also the fact that in the report released today, samples from the 1999-2005 tours were tested and Armstrong's samples contained traces of EPO.
Actually the cortisone is the most easily explainable one (in the "official" version ofc) He used some stuff for saddle sores, then got a backdated TUE for it after the positive (despite according to isso saying in an earlier interview "No TUEs, no TUEs whatsoever" ).
The TdS positive, afaik, is only based on testimonies, people who told that LA told them he covered the positive. As for the re-tested samples from 1999, Michael Ashenden talks a lot of interesting stuff about it here
Edited by lluuiiggii on 10-10-2012 23:39
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 10-10-2012 23:38
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TheManxMissile wrote:
at least no-one mentioned Hitler
Probably would have happened if we'd talked about Jan Ullrich
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 10-10-2012 23:43
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SportingNonsense wrote:
KayZeroX wrote:
Going to bed now, have fun downing my post, all you Armstrong haters
The art otherwise known as running away
+1 Totally agree  |
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 11-10-2012 00:01
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KayZeroX wrote:
70% of this community has no faith in cycling. SHAME ON YOU !
Maybe they´re just realistic?
i've read the whole (USADA) thing now.....it's repeating itself over and over again.
Obviuosly you didn´t.
If Armstrong used doping in his TDF victories, how is it possible that he returns to the sport couple of years later (being a much older man) finnishing 3rd in the 2009 TDF ?
Using USADA logic >> Compare to his TDF victories, in 09 he did not use doping , he was much older then his competition, Astana was not even close to the supremacy of Motorola. It's simple mathematics to see he should not (using USADA logic) be able to compete with the top 25 of the 09 TDF. Using USADA logic, it should not have been possible for Armstrong to finnish 3rd in the TDF 09. If the difference in performance would be so small that a couple of years later Armstrong was able to almost repeat his performance, why would he risk this? Did Armstrong have something to lose?
If you´d done, you´d know that the USADA also claims he was doped in 2009/2010.
Only a true champion would return and show the world that (again) without doping he would still be the number one. And he almost did, well in my eyes a 3rd place in a TDF is a respectfull rank. It shows you can compete for the overall victory. And it all makes sence, Armstrong is a little older, was out of competitive cycling for couple of years, his team was not the strongest in the TDF 09 edition. 3rd was probably highest possible ranking for him.
<<This alone should be prove Lance Armstrong never used doping.
Read what i wrote about the USADA claims and now try to explain why his 2009 performances prove he was clean.
I´m not going to respond on the nationalistic crap you wrote.
P.s. I can't believe how many times they repeat "Armstrong was never known for his climbing capabilities"
Whoever wrote that crap, please read some books of Armstrong on how he evolved to being a moutain goat, and check the history of all Armstrong achievements to see confirmation of his step by step evolution in the mountain. (not to mention the tranformation his body made after his illness)
Of course Armstrong didn´t write things like "i paid a lot of money to a doping doctor and suddenly became a great climber".
P.S. number 2 : Tyler Hamilton should see a shrink. + What's his name....euhhhh Floyd Landis.
After all, of course Armstrong´s credibility is higher than Hamilton´s, Landis´, Leipheimer´s, Hincapie´s, Danielson´s, ...
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Posted on 11-10-2012 00:11
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It's really not worth it.
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Posted on 11-10-2012 00:41
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Remember what I said about Outside the Lines? Well Travis Tygart (head of USADA), as well as Lance's lawyer (can't remember his name), Bonnie Ford (ESPN's cycling columnist, who has become surprisingly good these last few years after she actually learned about the sport, she's a tennis writer to begin with), and Roger Munson (ESPN's legal specialist) appeared on the program to talk about the happening today
Summary here:
Lance Armstrong counsel Tim Herman, U.S. Anti-Doping Agency CEO Travis Tygart and ESPN senior writer Bonnie Ford and legal analyst Lester Munson appeared on the sports network’s “Outside the Lines” program Wednesday afternoon.
In an audio podcast of the program, Tygart outlined the USADA case against Lance Armstrong. Afterwards, Herman disputed the agency’s “Reasoned Decision,” claiming that the adjudication process for athletes was unfairly biased.
“The process is completely rigged. I don’t care what Travis Tygart says,” said Herman. “Christians dealing with the lions in Rome had a better record than athletes dealing with USADA. It’s a rigged system.”
Ford and Munson, who worked as an attorney for 18 years, addressed the case following Herman’s appearance on the program. Munson went so far as to call evidence that Armstrong tampered with witnesses as “powerful” and questioned the decision of the U.S. attorney to drop the federal investigation of Armstrong in February without pressing charges.
“My impression is that the three different categories of evidence that USADA is presenting here — the eyewitness accounts/affidavits of riders and team staff members, scientific evidence that includes mainly interpretation of data from old tests from the last 10 or 12 years, and financial documents — taken together, this is an incredibly, incredibly compelling case,” said Ford. “In fact, I would go so far as to say that anyone who dismisses all three of those categories of evidence and ignores the way they overlap and intersect over the last 14 to 16 years, anyone that doesn’t accept that Lance Armstrong crossed the line doesn’t want to know.”
“If you look at this evidence, if you look at these details, this is a much better report and an investigation far superior to the Mitchell Report, which looked into doping in baseball,” said Munson. “This is really good stuff that the USADA has put together; I am tremendously impressed.”
“There is no doubt in my mind that this is a very fair investigation,” Munson continued. “It has a wonderful integrity to it. To me, reading this evidence, it makes me wonder what was going through the mind of the United States attorney Andre Birotte when he somehow concluded that he would not pursue a criminal case against Lance Armstrong.”
Worth noting that Munson is as fair and balanced as they get. The man didn't even editorialize on the Jerry Sandusky case. If he thinks it was a quality investigation and that "anyone who dismisses all three of those categories of evidence and ignores the way they overlap and intersect over the last 14 to 16 years, anyone that doesn’t accept that Lance Armstrong crossed the line doesn’t want to know", it means a lot.
Courtesy Velonews, and link to podcast version of show here:
https://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=...id=8487101
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 11-10-2012 01:16
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Deadpool wrote:
It's really not worth it.
He he, very funny but very true |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 11-10-2012 01:23
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Following the publication of Volodymyr Bileka's witness statement (amongst others, for sure):
for anyone capable of understanding Italian:
https://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/...tement.pdf
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 11-10-2012 01:36
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Wait, so Contador's best friend and closest confidant was doping as well? Shocker...
However, the more the sadder, unfortunately...
Edited by Deadpool on 11-10-2012 01:36
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 11-10-2012 01:39
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That 500 page read (it seemed that way) was so relaxing that I fell asleep. Just another thing that has set back my school work tonight...
Anyway, its really interesting to read about the obvious avoidance of the testers, and other methods as well. Really makes me believe the peloton is not "cleaning up" as I used to think, or not as much as I thought.
This is quite a large conspiracy, and I am quite interested by it, but also makes me wonder if it has happened before or after, as well as in other sports.
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 11-10-2012 01:44
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valverde321 wrote:
That 500 page read (it seemed that way) was so relaxing that I fell asleep. Just another thing that has set back my school work tonight...
Anyway, its really interesting to read about the obvious avoidance of the testers, and other methods as well. Really makes me believe the peloton is not "cleaning up" as I used to think, or not as much as I thought.
This is quite a large conspiracy, and I am quite interested by it, but also makes me wonder if it has happened before or after, as well as in other sports.
Agreed. It, Jay-Z, and the O's-Yankee's game have all done a great job of keeping me from my Linear Algebra homework this afternoon.
The first 100 pages felt a lot like reading IBM and the Holocaust. I mean, it's a legal document, but there was a point where it was just saying over and over again what had already been established with regards to his and Postal's doping practices. The second half was more interesting. |
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Posted on 11-10-2012 01:45
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Failed tests ? You mean the negative tests that suddenly turn out positive (from whoever they were!) after many years.
I haven't got time to go through everything else but this is really easy. The EPO test didn't exist. Then it was invented and they retested old samples and what do you know? He was positive.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 11-10-2012 01:50
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Deadpool wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
That 500 page read (it seemed that way) was so relaxing that I fell asleep. Just another thing that has set back my school work tonight...
Anyway, its really interesting to read about the obvious avoidance of the testers, and other methods as well. Really makes me believe the peloton is not "cleaning up" as I used to think, or not as much as I thought.
This is quite a large conspiracy, and I am quite interested by it, but also makes me wonder if it has happened before or after, as well as in other sports.
Agreed. It, Jay-Z, and the O's-Yankee's game have all done a great job of keeping me from my Linear Algebra homework this afternoon.
The first 100 pages felt a lot like reading IBM and the Holocaust. I mean, it's a legal document, but there was a point where it was just saying over and over again what had already been established with regards to his and Postal's doping practices. The second half was more interesting.
I skipped down to some part where it said "ways to prevent a positive dope test" or something along those lines
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| toreaxe |
Posted on 11-10-2012 02:29
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Who's been a naughty boy then!!! Very interesting, strange the Italian police let this slip out though. Anyway this could interest some people.
https://thecycling...g-uci.html
What i find strange is why did Armstrong give $100,000 to the UCI? Why would a competitor give away money? Generous? I'll think i'll look up Lance's number and give him a ring, i'm a bit short at the moment |
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Posted on 11-10-2012 06:33
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Well, he's and was so clean that he did a gift in favour of clean clean cycling so that in the future young riders like he once was wouldn't get robbed by cheaters. You know the man has a heart, just look at Livestrong.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 11-10-2012 06:39
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So i have something to read during this weekend, the novel i had ready to read has to wait.
Can somebody tell me what is this Bileka witness statement about? I am interested in it because of he mentioned Kreuziger as Ferrari client.
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 11-10-2012 07:55
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The new Armstrong defence i'm seeing a lot of now is:
"He still donated money to cancer research. He helped more people than he hurt."
Well, at least it's better than saying there's no evidence.
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Posted on 11-10-2012 08:51
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Eden95 wrote:
The new Armstrong defence i'm seeing a lot of now is:
"He still donated money to cancer research. He helped more people than he hurt."
Well, at least it's better than saying there's no evidence.
Wonder how many people will now throw away their Livestrong wrist bands |
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