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World Championships - Nations Vote
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 21-01-2015 20:23
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1. Ukraine
2. Czech republic
3. Romania
4. Switzerland
5. Ireland
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 21-01-2015 20:25
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valverde321 wrote:
That jersey is kinda nicer than the actual WC jersey  If one of my riders wins Im requesting it for sure 
Does it have to respect that pattern? Can't it be like a white jersey with #SWAG written on it?
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 21-01-2015 20:41
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SportingNonsense wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
1. Denmark
2. Sweden
3. Austria
4. Finland
5. Denmark
That only counts as 4 nominations. If you want Denmark to have 10 from you, you need to pick a 5th country 
Oh crap I don't know what that was.
1. Denmark
2. Sweden
3. Austria
4. Ireland
5. Finland
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 21-01-2015 20:54
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alexkr00 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
That jersey is kinda nicer than the actual WC jersey If one of my riders wins Im requesting it for sure
Does it have to respect that pattern? Can't it be like a white jersey with #SWAG written on it?
Im pretty sure its just the exact same as the WC except the jersey is blue.
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| aidanvn13 |
Posted on 21-01-2015 21:03
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1. Egypt
2. Eritrea
3. Kenya
4. Namibia
5. Lituania (random, I know)
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 21-01-2015 23:28
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 22-01-2015 01:20
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1. Ireland
2. Iran
3. Eritrea
4. Kenya
5. Namibia
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 22-01-2015 02:19
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A few nations starting to look very safe at the top and should make it into the WC.
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| ggDonovan |
Posted on 22-01-2015 10:20
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1. Brazil
2. Argentina
3. Poland
4. Venezuela
5. Algeria
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| SotD |
Posted on 22-01-2015 11:03
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Really sad that Tzortzakis probably won't have a chance at this WC as it is his best chance to ever have a decent WC result. But I guess it's OK, as there are atleast 6 other nations who have a better chance of doing even better.
Just for the fun of it, I have calculated the points:
| Country | Pts | | Switzerland | 56 | | Ireland | 56 | | Sweden | 50 | | Brazil | 46 | | Czech Republic | 44 | | Ukraine | 44 | | Lithuania | 42 | | Eritrea | 38 | | China | 35 | | Argentina | 32 | | Denmark | 30 | | Finland | 29 | | Malaysia | 25 | | Poland | 25 | | Greece | 24 | | Japan | 21 | | Venezuela | 21 | | Romania | 19 | | Cyprus | 17 | | Bulgaria | 16 | | Sri Lanka | 16 | | Mongolia | 16 | | Austria | 16 | | Kenya | 16 | | Hong Kong | 14 | | Cuba | 12 | | Croatia | 10 | | Kazakhstan | 10 | | Thailand | 10 | | Costa Rica | 10 | | Egypt | 10 | | Iran | 8 | | Slovakia | 7 | | Belarus | 6 | | Turkey | 6 | | Tunesia | 6 | | Algeria | 5 | | Jamaica | 3 | | Morocco | 3 | | Qatar | 3 | | Japan | 3 | | Namibia | 3 | | Israel | 2 | | Korea | 2 | | Indonesia | 2 | | South Africa | 2 | | Cameroon | 2 | | Rwanda | 1 | | Georgia | 1 |
49 different countries are nominated. As a suggestion for next season, I think SN, or someone else should pick 20 countries that you can pick, as some clearly can't administer the freedom of the free pick, and thus A LOT of points have been thrown down the drain, with votes such as:
Algeria (Best bid: Hannachi)
Bulgaria (Bist bid: Ehhmmm none?)
Cameroon (Best bid: Mba)
China (Best bid: Li)
Croatia (Best bid: Durasek)
Cyprus (Best bid: Ehhmmm none?)
Eritrea (Best bid: Teklehaimanot)
Georgia (Best bid: NONE!!!)
Hong Kong (Best bid: Kwok)
Indonesia (Best bid: Pranata)
Israel (Best bid: Margaliot)
Jamaica (Best bid: NONE!!!)
Kenya (Best bid: Ekiru)
Qatar (Best bid: Esmaeli)
Sri Lanka (Best bid: Sandakelum)
Thailand (Best bid: Boonratanathanakorn)
Turkey (Best bid: Sayar)
And then, some vote wrong, like South Africa. It gives a total points count on 198. That is enough to put 4!!! countries into the Worlds.
It seems as if people in general picks the nationalities they have within their own team, and the chance to have as many riders in the worlds as humanly possible. I really dislike that way of thinking. Imo we want to have the best possible riders in the world championships, and not just the countries in which a lot of riders are present in various teams. Most of which doesn't fit the route aswell. If we were to pick the best suited nations (top 20 or so) Eritrea wouldn't be in, yet they are placed as no. 8, while China is in no. 9 - And that is fine... IF THE ROUTE WAS ANOTHER. But as the route is flat, with some minor bumps, it makes absolutely no sense, what so ever. Why not pick Slovakia for Peter Sagan instead? Kazakhstan for Nepo or someone like that? There tend to be some sort of voting like 1) I want my own riders participating and 2) My other votes will go for some random nation, so I don't deduct my own chances. Luckily not everyone thinks that way, and as such, the top 5 is absolutely fine. But I do think it is a worrying behaviour, which needs some changing for the upcoming seasons. I would never have voted for Greece if the route was tough (Hilly/mountainous), and I really hope the other ones who own a greek rider wouldn't either. there are no excuse for picking a team where your rider is the best, but yet he will struggle to even get inside the top 100.
And let me just finish off by saying, that it has nothing to do with Tzortzakis, as I can easily see 5-6 maybe even 10 other nations ahead of Greece, but I find it worrying that riders such as Wen Hao Li, Daniel Teklehaimanot and what not is ahead of Tzortzakis, Sagan and a whole bunch of other and much better riders, who would all stand a shot at an outside top 10 on the right circumstances.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 22-01-2015 11:08
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Not sure you've seen that info, but the winner of Worlds B will ride the main Worlds too. Tzortzakis has a big chance there I guess, not sure what countries there are, but still. Plus a special WC jersey for winning Worlds B if you have one made. So not that bad of a prospect
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 22-01-2015 11:08
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Switzerland and Ireland looking like popular destinations |
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 22-01-2015 11:08
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Time to defend my votes:
Lithuania: Vaitkus, obviously an outsider for a long, flat race.
Ukraine: Polivoda, no real chance, but if Canada hosts the WC his hill stat may help him. Also a few other 77/76 sprinters.
Poland: Ulanowski, fast enough to challenge the top sprinters. No back-up tho...
Cyprus: No real leaders, but Athanasiades and Adamou have both been quite attacking and would be good bets to join a break.
Jamaica: Yeah... Shaquille
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 22-01-2015 11:09
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It is the voters choice and I see no issue with voting for your riders' nations. For me I would rather see my own riders than vote for others, it makes perfect sense really.
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| SotD |
Posted on 22-01-2015 11:16
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Alakagom wrote:
Not sure you've seen that info, but the winner of Worlds B will ride the main Worlds too. Tzortzakis has a big chance there I guess, not sure what countries there are, but still. Plus a special WC jersey for winning Worlds B if you have one made. So not that bad of a prospect
I know that, but like I said, it isn't about Tzortzakis. I can easily live with him not being there. But I have a hard time understanding why people vote completely out from their own little world. Cancellara and Switzerland should have had 100 points atleast, looking at how votes are thrown around randomly (someone even say that they vote a few points at random).
I think the worlds are for the best riders, period. I have no interest in seeing a bunch of nobodies fuck around for 120th. I know the real WC have some of those aswell, but this is a game, and there are plenty of good riders and nations that you could make the Worlds very competitive. It would take one hell of a fluke for Wen Hao Li or Daniel Teklehaimanot to win the Worlds with the lineup that is there. It would take quite a lot less of a fluke for Peter Sagan, Hassen Ben Nasser, Dan Craven, Jukka Vastaranta or Michal Kwiatkowski to do so, so why not give those the chance to do so instead? I know they are probably not in your own team, but come on...
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 22-01-2015 11:21
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To be fair, Wen Hao Ki is a pretty good flat rider with some sprint skills, too Not the worst pick.
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| SotD |
Posted on 22-01-2015 11:24
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fjhoekie wrote:
Time to defend my votes:
Lithuania: Vaitkus, obviously an outsider for a long, flat race.
Ukraine: Polivoda, no real chance, but if Canada hosts the WC his hill stat may help him. Also a few other 77/76 sprinters.
Poland: Ulanowski, fast enough to challenge the top sprinters. No back-up tho...
Cyprus: No real leaders, but Athanasiades and Adamou have both been quite attacking and would be good bets to join a break.
Jamaica: Yeah... Shaquille
I know it's only 3 points thrown away here, so I guess that is OK, but if you had 20 nations to pick from, Jamaica and Cyprus wouldn't have gotten it, and instead the points would have possibly gone to Slovakia and Switzerland, or someone else who had an actual shot at the WC.
I don't think the other nations are a problem. Clearly Vaitkus could pose a threat, although it takes some luck and Siskevicius is better than half the riders in the "shit team" list I noted, but also riders such as Konovalovas are useful for Vaitkus. Ukraine have a list of decent sprinters (Not good, not bad), Polivoda, Vasylyuk, Averin but also a few decent hilly riders like Popkov, Prevar, Grivko, Popovych and Pakthusov. I see no harm in that. And Poland have Ulanowski like you said. Although he sucks in the hills Poland also have some decent allrounders such as Kwiatkowski, Golas (again better than most in the list), Paterski and Lejman.
I just think it would be cool if people, in general, was much more interested in having the best possible races, instead of seeing as many of their own riders as possible. I really don't see the point in voting for a nation in which you probably won't see the name all the way. I'm quite sure the reporters would notice that Peter Sagan was in trouble, but not Athanasiades.
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| SotD |
Posted on 22-01-2015 11:25
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tsmoha wrote:
To be fair, Wen Hao Ki is a pretty good flat rider with some sprint skills, too Not the worst pick.
Yeah, I have had him myself. I like him, but deducting his TT and PRL stat, what is left? A random flat rider, who can't go over hills, and once in the final he will be somewhere between 50-100 in terms of sprint stat.
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He is no. 377 in terms of sprinters in the DB, and while a lot of those aren't in, atleast 100 riders with a lesser sprint stat than him would have a better chance of winning anyway
Edited by SotD on 22-01-2015 11:31
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| SotD |
Posted on 22-01-2015 11:28
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
It is the voters choice and I see no issue with voting for your riders' nations. For me I would rather see my own riders than vote for others, it makes perfect sense really.
Not to me. To me, that is an egocentric way of voting. Fair enough, if you have a good rider, that you really want to see, such as when Roman votes for Sagan. I have no problem with that sort of bias, but I really see no point in people voting for riders that aren't even among the top 10 riders in your own team. What is the point in seeing a rider that normally finishes 5 minutes behind the pack in the PCT ranks, riding the Worlds? What do you think will happen? That he will suddenly become overpowered? That the reporter will talk about him? I don't get it, I really don't.
Edited by SotD on 22-01-2015 11:28
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 22-01-2015 11:45
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SotD wrote:
And then, some vote wrong, like South Africa.
Yep, that was me and i was already warned about that by SN and picked Cuba instead. 
Also ,i completely forgot Slovakia, that is pretty embarrasing, isnt it? (maybe i dont want Sagan in the WC as long as he is not riding for me).
Anyway, i understand your frustration, but as long as this will be decided by free votes, i see no problem in people picking anything they want, even obscure picks. Maybe change of system can prevent that, as you are suggesting, It is not big issue for me.
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