Jesleyh wrote:
@FTR stat:

1. Can you (somehow) check if a 80 FTR has more ''flashing red bar'' moments than a 60 FTR?
2. Can you test AI, and see whether high FTR riders go in the break/go for late attacks often?

I always thought both of these things are true, but it was more a feeling than that I tested it
Probably shitty to test, but it'll be interesting to see which effect FTR actually has.

Kentaurus wrote:


Probably not, simply because no climbs are consistent enough to actually get a testable situation. Once things get a little more settled that is one of the things I was going to ask the stagemakers for, a climb with a constant grade.

Cossack wrote:
Also, I don't think there is any way to check MO/HI rate, as I think it's set by a stage maker in the stage file.

Lachi wrote:
I don't believe that the game switches from FL to the calculated "climbing stat" as soon as the slope is 1%.

Kaimelar wrote:


In PCM 13 the game used flat stat from -5% to 5%, the stat itself weighted more the closer it was to 0%, as for hill/mo they started to make difference from 2% and it started to make more difference the higher the % was (sadly I don't remember what was the maximum). Downhill is same as mo/hill just from -2%. So for example at 3% road, game uses flat and mo/hill stats too.
I don't think they changed anything for PCM 14 other than RES.

Also an advice when you do the tests, separate them by some seconds, because the game has 'slipstream/sucking' effect when you're not alone so differences show theirself later, like with your stamina test. They started to separate after 190km, I bet if you seperate them by 10-20 seconds you will see the difference growing after 165-170km.

There's 1 thing I want to know, does green bar makes more difference now than it did in pcm13? Because that made breakaway wins way too easy in pcm13.

Kentaurus wrote:
Resistance Test: Finished.
Test stage: Hoofddorp - Noordwijk (First half of stage), Olypmia's Tour.

Short Answer: Affects yellow bar only.

Test 1:
Test: Time to slow at 83 effort.
Results:
60 Rider: 25km
80 Rider: 33.2km
Both riders stayed side-by-side until 60 rider ran out of energy.

Notes: I call it time to slow, as riders would actually use their yellow bar, then deplete their red bar before slowing down. There was no difference in the time it took for them to use their red bars.

Test 2:
Test: Effect on Red bar using attack.
Results:
Both riders used red bar at the same speed when attacking and stayed side-by-side.

Test 3:
Test: Effect of Red bar using dot 99.
Results:
Both riders stayed side-by-side and depleted red bar at the same rate.

SportingNonsense wrote:


I'm fairly sure the gradient makes no difference in terms of hill and mountain stat. The decisive factor is the H/M rating (from 0 to 100) that either the stage maker decides, or the game automatically decides. 0 means only hill stat matters, even on 10% slopes. 100 means only mountain stat matters, even on 1% slopes.

Dancycling wrote:
What I mean is, say the mo/hil coefficient is set to 1, At what gradient does the mountain stat begin to take its effect and at what gradient is it that the flat stat doesn't make a difference.

sobrano wrote:
good job,
I have a test for you, pay attenction!!
I think resistence dont affect directly the red bar.
The red bar burn down more quickly when the yellow bar is almost empty, so the riders with bad resistence run out of yellow bar before and so the red bar start to be quickly burned before.

so resistence is not linked with red bar but it can affect the red bar indirecly by yellow bar emptying.
Can you test it pls?

Kentaurus wrote:


I'm not exactly sure what you are wanting me to test? I stated in the notes of what you quoted that the Red Bar does get used even at yellow effort if the rider is out of yellow bar. So yes indirectly resistance will hurt the red bar if a rider runs out of their yellow.

tellico wrote:
Hmm, but Kentaurus says that red bar is connected with RES INDIRECTLY via yellow bar. So tested red bar drop rate with empty yellow bar make no sense. He should test what is the difference in red bar drop when yellow bar is full/half/empty.
If RES affects the rate of yellow drop AND legth of the yellow affects the rate of red drop THEN RES affects (indirectly) the red bar drop rate.

Notes: I call it time to slow, as riders would actually use their yellow bar, then deplete their red bar before slowing down. There was no difference in the time it took for them to use their red bars.

tellico wrote:
How do you disable day form for tests?

lluuiiggii wrote:
I believe you can 'cancel' wind effect in a TT by setting every rider to 0 in the beginning until the last rider goes off, then trying to set everyone in the same effort? Obviously there might some milliseconds of difference between the time you re-accelerate one rider and the other, but that'll probably get a much smaller margin of error than random wind.