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PCMDaily2013db with new calendar
TankNL
Top  #41 Print Post
Posted on 19-03-2013 07:47
Looked at the type 14 cyclists again (the poly tour riders, with focus on paris-nice, or tirenno and dauphine or tour de suisse). But I can't seem to figure out why their form is off. They all have a fitness schedule that has the first from peak possible. But still they aren't very good in P-N of Tirenno,

I will get all the .cdb files from my weekly save directory. unpack them all and create a weakly form overview, in order to follow all the training progress. I hope to get some leads there. Will take me a while though, but I can't stand the idea, that it doesn't, so...

Tank
 
Ulrich Ulriksen
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Posted on 20-03-2013 01:24
Let me know if I can help. A related question.

I just played a season in PCM11 using the Daily DB which I think had your rework of the 2012 schedule with the Tour of Poland during the TDF (due to the Olympics). If I move the Tour of Poland back to its more traditional location I am thinking that is going to mess up the fitness schedules. Is that right?
 
TankNL
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Posted on 21-03-2013 13:39
Ulrich Ulriksen wrote:
Let me know if I can help. A related question.

I just played a season in PCM11 using the Daily DB which I think had your rework of the 2012 schedule with the Tour of Poland during the TDF (due to the Olympics). If I move the Tour of Poland back to its more traditional location I am thinking that is going to mess up the fitness schedules. Is that right?


In 2011 I didn't go so far as to redesign the fitenss program's. So if you leave the Tour of Poland in the same month, then it would be fine. Otherwise, there will be no participation by the assigned leader_types.

Tank
 
TankNL
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Posted on 21-03-2013 13:47
I did some more testing.

for leader_type 14;
dl.dropbox.com/u/47817916/PCM%20Screens/leader_type%2014.png

The top part of the picture is the assigned fitness schedule to the specialization and the second part is the fitness level at the end of the week. (got the from the auto_saves of the game).

leader_type 15;
dl.dropbox.com/u/47817916/PCM%20Screens/leader_type%2015.png

All riders have a fitness according to the schedule, but still there are a couple of them, have a medioric performance. So there's (luckily) still some randomness to the results Smile

Tank
Edited by TankNL on 21-03-2013 14:26
 
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Andy3792
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Posted on 21-03-2013 16:37
Do you also have some test results for program 24 and 25? Would be good to see them as well.
In overall this really looks good. I think sometimes the AI teams have an influence on their riders fitness
if they don't send their peaking riders to preparation races.
Without randomness we had to worry of the gameplay and concept of work from Cyanide. Wink
 
TankNL
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Posted on 21-03-2013 20:01
In this save game, there where no specialization in 24 or 25
 
Ulrich Ulriksen
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Posted on 22-03-2013 02:01
Nice proof of the schedules.

I think the mystery on the first one is why it has Wiggins in a schedule that peaks for the Dauphine. In my test he was good for that as well but not that strong in the other races. Don't think that is fixable.

All the other riders are more second tier type leaders who might target the smaller races so they make sense.

The small number of riders in the Tirreno fitness programs might explain why the results for that race were a little weak in my test.

I wonder if Pozzovivo might have been injured in my test, because he was on the same schedule as you show but his Giro fitness was only 81. That seems a little too much to be random.

Was looking at Lombardy some more. I could only see two leader specializations that target that race 13 and 24. No riders were assigned to 24 in my test and only 1 of the 3 13s rode the race. Wonder if you could add it to some more - maybe 15, 26 or 32.
 
Ulrich Ulriksen
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Posted on 22-03-2013 02:02
TankNL wrote:


In 2011 I didn't go so far as to redesign the fitenss program's. So if you leave the Tour of Poland in the same month, then it would be fine. Otherwise, there will be no participation by the assigned leader_types.

Tank


Thanks.
 
TankNL
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Posted on 22-03-2013 09:34
Ulrich Ulriksen wrote:
Nice proof of the schedules.

Thanks! Cool

Ulrich Ulriksen wrote:
Was looking at Lombardy some more. I could only see two leader specializations that target that race 13 and 24. No riders were assigned to 24 in my test and only 1 of the 3 13s rode the race.


Specialization 13 is part of the GIRO leader_type. And your correct;

Spoiler

Only specialization 13 rides the month October. This could be altered, but I don't know if the race days and fitness levels will allow a good ride there. We could alter the "(13)" to "()". That way every specialization can choose this program or the no ride program. The 13 still has to choose 1 with Lombardy in it.

Ulrich Ulriksen wrote:
Wonder if you could add it to some more - maybe 15, 26 or 32.

What do you mean by that, specializations, of leader_types?

Tank
 
lluuiiggii
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Posted on 22-03-2013 18:52
Andy3792 wrote:
In overall this really looks good. I think sometimes the AI teams have an influence on their riders fitness
if they don't send their peaking riders to preparation races.
Without randomness we had to worry of the gameplay and concept of work from Cyanide. Wink

The main thing being edited here by Tank is the rider race calendars (only the top riders will have them); this is done by creating groups of races for every month of the year which tells exactly which races the rider will ride, only those. So this part isn't really random, I don't think there's a way for the AI teams to mess it up (since for these riders the AI teams don't decide anything, they only follow their programs) Wink

It's possible however that a team doesn't take part in a race that is in a rider's program (e.g. in a test of mine sometime ago Sky didn't take part in Vuelta a Burgos when preparing for the Vuelta), so it actually is possible for the AI to mess it up, but a bit unlikely Pfft

TankNL wrote:
Only specialization 13 rides the month October. This could be altered, but I don't know if the race days and fitness levels will allow a good ride there. We could alter the "(13)" to "()". That way every specialization can choose this program or the no ride program. The 13 still has to choose 1 with Lombardy in it.

I think it'd be nice to have more Giro leader types there, after all it's an Italian race Smile Having big names in big races is nice, even if they are not in top form (they are not expected to be in top form late in the season anyway, so it's kinda realistic) Wink
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TankNL
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Posted on 22-03-2013 19:37
lluuiiggii wrote:
I think it'd be nice to have more Giro leader types there, after all it's an Italian race Smile Having big names in big races is nice, even if they are not in top form (they are not expected to be in top form late in the season anyway, so it's kinda realistic) Wink


I'm currently analyzing the rest of the season to see what the fitness is in October. When the results will be clear I will report them here and make a correction if deemed logical.

Tank
 
Ulrich Ulriksen
Top  #52 Print Post
Posted on 22-03-2013 22:14
TankNL wrote:

Ulrich Ulriksen wrote:
Wonder if you could add it to some more - maybe 15, 26 or 32.

What do you mean by that, specializations, of leader_types?

Tank


Sorry wasn't clear, those are specializations
 
TankNL
Top  #53 Print Post
Posted on 22-03-2013 23:02
Ulrich Ulriksen wrote:
TankNL wrote:

Ulrich Ulriksen wrote:
Wonder if you could add it to some more - maybe 15, 26 or 32.

What do you mean by that, specializations, of leader_types?

Tank


Sorry wasn't clear, those are specializations


In my opinion the specialization should be hills or maybe leader_type 15
specialization;
15 = COBBLES_TOUR_VUELTA (not particular Lombardy like?)
26 = POLY_HILLS_TDS (this could be good, but fitness levels are not good.
32 = SPRINT_MSR_GIRO_TOUR (not particular Lombardy like?)

However, I did edit the leader_type 15 program. so now more of them will join I hope Smile

Tank
 
TankNL
Top  #54 Print Post
Posted on 22-03-2013 23:03
Here is the new version (v6) with the alteration in leader_type 15. Now all specializations of 15 have the possibility to join in Lombardy

Tank
TankNL attached the following file:
pcmdaily2013db_tank_v6.cdb [438.73kB / 231 Downloads]
 
TankNL
Top  #55 Print Post
Posted on 22-03-2013 23:09
Here is a link to the weekly saves excel.
In this excel is on sheet 1 a big DYN_cycling table. every week another week number. And a calendar pivot, where all kind of analyses can be done.

I've used it to compare it to the fitness schema's, but It might be that somebody wants to see the evaluation of the stat's or something else... Have a look, you may find it useful.

Watch out though, its 170Mb in size.

Here is the link to my dropbox;
https://dl.dropbo...saves.xlsx

Tank
 
Ulrich Ulriksen
Top  #56 Print Post
Posted on 23-03-2013 05:16
TankNL wrote:

In my opinion the specialization should be hills or maybe leader_type 15
specialization;
15 = COBBLES_TOUR_VUELTA (not particular Lombardy like?)
26 = POLY_HILLS_TDS (this could be good, but fitness levels are not good.
32 = SPRINT_MSR_GIRO_TOUR (not particular Lombardy like?)

However, I did edit the leader_type 15 program. so now more of them will join I hope Smile

Tank


Will look again, these don't look like the ones I was thinking of, maybe I got the numbers wrong. Will run through v6 as well.
 
Bojan
Top  #57 Print Post
Posted on 28-03-2013 22:40
A simulated season with the mighty Novo Nordisk FWIW and with Lombardia still in latest results. Sella winning that and Jeremy Roy winning Paris-Nice were the strangest results, but simulation is sometimes unpredictably random ofc.
 
Bojan
Top  #58 Print Post
Posted on 28-03-2013 22:43
A simulated season with the mighty Novo Nordisk FWIW and with Lombardia still in latest results. Sella winning that and Jeremy Roy winning Paris-Nice were the strangest results, but simulation is sometimes unpredictably random ofc. Wiggins didn't ride the Giro, but I don't know how particular you have been about trying to replicate riders' IRL calender ingame.
Bojan attached the following file:
career_1-2013-10-21.cdb [1.96MB / 239 Downloads]
 
TankNL
Top  #59 Print Post
Posted on 01-04-2013 09:34
Bojan wrote:
A simulated season with the mighty Novo Nordisk FWIW and with Lombardia still in latest results. Sella winning that and Jeremy Roy winning Paris-Nice were the strangest results, but simulation is sometimes unpredictably random ofc. Wiggins didn't ride the Giro, but I don't know how particular you have been about trying to replicate riders' IRL calender ingame.


I will analyse your save game. As for the rider leader type; it can be set for the first season. I wanted to see how the game managed that, so I removed the pre set leader types.
 
TankNL
Top  #60 Print Post
Posted on 01-04-2013 18:52
Results look pretty good I would say;

Spoiler
 
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