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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 17-01-2013 14:43
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issoisso wrote: a logical and coherent answer.
This pretty much explained my exact feelings on the subject. I of course can't prove that a god doesn't exist but I think it's far from probable. And if one does exist, I'm not gonna gamble with one of the many religions worldwide - sounds risky to me  . |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 17-01-2013 14:51
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miggi133 wrote:
Why would you want to know? Does it make a difference at all? Does it determine how you view people?
This topic simply doesnt belong into a forum. Yes there is religious freedom, freedom of speech etc, but not everyone is open minded about (other) religion(s)...
BTW: Why did you leave Judaism out? That could be an indication about your view on people already...
If anyone has a problem with religion, it would appear to be you, seeing as how you are so quick to go on the defence.
Do you have an issue with religion?
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 17-01-2013 14:53
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fcancellara wrote:
Oh, I myself am Christian, but certainly not a good example:
- Last time I visited a church was over a year ago
- I never voluntarily read the Bible (only at primary school, which was a Christian one)
- I don't think the Bible's stories (especially in the Old Testament) are facts; rather methaphors.
- I do believe in evolution, which is in contradiction to the Bible. Also the big bang theory seems credible to me.
But the point is; everything must have started somewhere, for me that is God.
With all do respect and I mean this in no offensive manner what so ever, but how can you call yourself a Christian when you believe in all the things that goes against Christianity?
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 17-01-2013 15:02
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cactus-jack wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Oh, I myself am Christian, but certainly not a good example:
- Last time I visited a church was over a year ago
- I never voluntarily read the Bible (only at primary school, which was a Christian one)
- I don't think the Bible's stories (especially in the Old Testament) are facts; rather methaphors.
- I do believe in evolution, which is in contradiction to the Bible. Also the big bang theory seems credible to me.
But the point is; everything must have started somewhere, for me that is God.
With all do respect and I mean this in no offensive manner what so ever, but how can you call yourself a Christian when you believe in all the things that goes against Christianity?
Because I believe God exists, and that Jesus died for our sins.
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| pcm2009fan |
Posted on 17-01-2013 15:03
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Me, I'm brought up and raised as a Catholic, but I've always had difficulties with my belief.
Perhaps the most interesting notion that struck me about "God", is that if God created the world as a test of our belief,
a) In having the power to create the world in the first place, he surely would have the power to manipulate it as he wishes.
b) Given that he is supposedly testing our belief, his power would easily allow him to impose his presence on the world, without allowing himself open to any sort of logical or scientific proof.
On the whole, beleiving in God isn't particuarly easy concept for me right now, but, considering the above, I don't think that "There's no proof!" is an argument holding much strength.
If God is any good at his job, there wouldn't be any solid, logical proof of his existence. However, this leads onto problems regarding the 'fairness' of the spiritual trials he has set out for us. |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 17-01-2013 15:47
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Damn, I knew I should have posted "so fcancellara you can already change the thread's name to 'The Difficult Religious Topic" and a smiley after miggi's or cunego's post
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| Crommy |
Posted on 17-01-2013 16:53
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issoisso wrote:
Neillster wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
I don't know about the big bang, but it definetly is more possible than creationism.
How is a big bang from nowhere more plausible than a supreme, omnipotent being creating everything?
The big bang is explained by the simple concept of a molecular force of attraction.
The supreme, omnipotent being creating everything is infinitely more complex and therefore infinitely more unlikely.
Just answering because you asked 
I'll just add to this: if a creator created the universe, then who created the creator?
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 17-01-2013 16:56
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cactus-jack wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Oh, I myself am Christian, but certainly not a good example:
- Last time I visited a church was over a year ago
- I never voluntarily read the Bible (only at primary school, which was a Christian one)
- I don't think the Bible's stories (especially in the Old Testament) are facts; rather methaphors.
- I do believe in evolution, which is in contradiction to the Bible. Also the big bang theory seems credible to me.
But the point is; everything must have started somewhere, for me that is God.
With all do respect and I mean this in no offensive manner what so ever, but how can you call yourself a Christian when you believe in all the things that goes against Christianity?
Not a Christian myself but a modern Christian is not about believing in the bible and denying evolution. It's just about believing in God, believing in the Christian values and interpret the bible correctly. |
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| Neillster |
Posted on 17-01-2013 17:09
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Ian Butler wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Oh, I myself am Christian, but certainly not a good example:
- Last time I visited a church was over a year ago
- I never voluntarily read the Bible (only at primary school, which was a Christian one)
- I don't think the Bible's stories (especially in the Old Testament) are facts; rather methaphors.
- I do believe in evolution, which is in contradiction to the Bible. Also the big bang theory seems credible to me.
But the point is; everything must have started somewhere, for me that is God.
With all do respect and I mean this in no offensive manner what so ever, but how can you call yourself a Christian when you believe in all the things that goes against Christianity?
Not a Christian myself but a modern Christian is not about believing in the bible and denying evolution. It's just about believing in God, believing in the Christian values and interpret the bible correctly.
Very true, but these issues over creation and other such issues are very important for the structure of our faith.
Just a quick question though: Where did the energy come from for the Big Bang? |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 17-01-2013 17:11
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All the mass of the current universe smacked together is one endless dot of energy it unleashed it's energy by exploding. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 17-01-2013 17:13
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I should just throw in that we have a thread called "The difficult topics" 
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| Neillster |
Posted on 17-01-2013 17:13
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And where did the mass come from? |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 17-01-2013 17:14
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You're just advertising your own thread 
Well, I'd say this is just a more detailed thread about religion. Question is: does it deserve its own thread? Meh |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 17-01-2013 17:16
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Neillster wrote:
And where did the mass come from?
Let me stop you there, I'm not the world's greatest scientist. You can't use my ignorance to prove anything the theory is well thought of, but don't ask me to explain it, goes above my head.
It's not about trying to undermine the other's beliefs here, though. You can believe in God, let me believe in Big Bang |
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| Daggen |
Posted on 17-01-2013 17:17
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It all started with the big bang. BANG!! |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 17-01-2013 17:19
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Ian Butler wrote:
You're just advertising your own thread
Well, I'd say this is just a more detailed thread about religion. Question is: does it deserve its own thread? Meh
Well, there are a bunch of topics in the Cafe-thread that could deserve their own thread
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| Neillster |
Posted on 17-01-2013 17:28
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Ian Butler wrote:
Neillster wrote:
And where did the mass come from?
Let me stop you there, I'm not the world's greatest scientist. You can't use my ignorance to prove anything the theory is well thought of, but don't ask me to explain it, goes above my head.
It's not about trying to undermine the other's beliefs here, though. You can believe in God, let me believe in Big Bang
No, I'm not trying to show you up, merely trying to dig deeper.  I just want to know where the matter come from for the Big Bang. I mean, the big bang sounds pretty miraculous to me, although, the following ideology doesn't allow for God as the miracle maker.
The problem for Christians is that, because of what we believe, anyone who doesn't also believe these things, will in the judgement be condemned to hell. This means that we have to try and spread the gospel to all we meet. |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 17-01-2013 17:32
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Neither matter nor any dimension existed "before" the Big Bang
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 17-01-2013 17:42
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Neillster wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Neillster wrote:
And where did the mass come from?
Let me stop you there, I'm not the world's greatest scientist. You can't use my ignorance to prove anything the theory is well thought of, but don't ask me to explain it, goes above my head.
It's not about trying to undermine the other's beliefs here, though. You can believe in God, let me believe in Big Bang
No, I'm not trying to show you up, merely trying to dig deeper. I just want to know where the matter come from for the Big Bang. I mean, the big bang sounds pretty miraculous to me, although, the following ideology doesn't allow for God as the miracle maker.
The problem for Christians is that, because of what we believe, anyone who doesn't also believe these things, will in the judgement be condemned to hell. This means that we have to try and spread the gospel to all we meet.
But you can ask the same question about God. Where did he come from?
As for your second part: Would you agree when I say that believing in God / Christianity is not the very obvious choice? And I don't mean that it's completely unreasonable. Just that, if you think about it, you might have your doubts.
If you'd agree on that, than you could also agree on the fact that it's pretty harsh to send every non-believer to hell. I mean, I'm sure there are lots of actually good people who don't believe in god. The thought of all of them going to hell doesn't really fit into the concept of a loving and caring and forgiving God, at least for me. Maybe you could explain that to me.
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 17-01-2013 17:56
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Neillster wrote:
miggi133 wrote:
Atlantius wrote:
When looking at the course of history religion has in my opinion done more bad than good, be it religious based wars (incl. civil wars), prosecutions of scientists, burning of libraries in places with more knowledge than us or "just" the oppression of the small man making him give what little he has for kings/bishops/popes etc. can live grandiose lives while they prohibit dancing, movies and generally having a good time.
Every War has a relgious component. That is the undeniable truth...
Where was the religious component to WW1 and WW2?
WW1:
The Catholic Austrians declaring war on the Orthodox Russians, who wanted to preserve the Slavonic/Orthodox areas in the east of Europe should be reason enough her, I think. But just for fun: The Protestant Germans declaring war against the Orthodox russians...
Yes, the orthodox church is part of the Christian church, but a brief look at Ireland should surface that to branches of Christianity are NOT the same. You being from Antrim should know that best
WW2
Well all of that nazi Propaganda against the jews surely played a factor in the war. Plus Hitlers "perfect German was a "german christ" (which was a church formed by the Nazis as a new branch of Christianity), which was wiped out with the denazification of germany. On top of that: The US showing their Superiority to the Buddhist and Shinto Japanese (Now that is an important one! Western Culture triumphant over eastern Culture, and especially in the US, everyone has to uphold an Oath to the Stars&Stripes, which mentions God at least once!)
I can mention other examples if you want...
cactus-jack wrote:
If anyone has a problem with religion, it would appear to be you, seeing as how you are so quick to go on the defence.
Do you have an issue with religion?
If I were to express my opinion, someone will immediately stand up and poin the finger at me. Probably accompanied by the wrds heretic, which is the complete opposite of what I am! But to express it in the most neutral way possible:
Nope, I dont have an issue with religion. If you believe in something, than thats good for you, and I respect that, but it doesnt mean that I believe in it. I do get the concept of religion and all, but everyone has his own take on religions... Simple as that!
However:
What I do have a problem with are the measures the churches undertake and how they present themselves.
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