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| MacC |
Posted on 13-07-2012 09:23
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Is this a new patch probelm or a PCM 12 problem? |
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| omchi |
Posted on 13-07-2012 09:45
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I have just tried yesterday TdF stage with BMC in single race mode. It really sucks, 150 riders under last hill? Very realistic. And even in career mode, with Sky and my leader, Uran, I set pace in last hill, trying to split peloton. Result was, that Reda (73 mountain) was attacking like a freak, then peloton easily catches Uran. Finally there was a mass sprint finish with 50! riders. It looks now, that simulation gives you more realistic results. I am returning back to PCM 11 until this problem is solved. |
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| MacC |
Posted on 13-07-2012 11:15
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So has anybody tested if this is because of the new patch or was it inherent in the game?
I didnt plat any mountains stages until the new patch came out so I cant judge |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 13-07-2012 11:23
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omchi wrote:
I have just tried yesterday TdF stage with BMC in single race mode. It really sucks, 150 riders under last hill? Very realistic. And even in career mode, with Sky and my leader, Uran, I set pace in last hill, trying to split peloton. Result was, that Reda (73 mountain) was attacking like a freak, then peloton easily catches Uran. Finally there was a mass sprint finish with 50! riders. It looks now, that simulation gives you more realistic results. I am returning back to PCM 11 until this problem is solved. Which DB? Which difficulty? |
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| omchi |
Posted on 13-07-2012 11:40
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Lachi wrote:
omchi wrote:
I have just tried yesterday TdF stage with BMC in single race mode. It really sucks, 150 riders under last hill? Very realistic. And even in career mode, with Sky and my leader, Uran, I set pace in last hill, trying to split peloton. Result was, that Reda (73 mountain) was attacking like a freak, then peloton easily catches Uran. Finally there was a mass sprint finish with 50! riders. It looks now, that simulation gives you more realistic results. I am returning back to PCM 11 until this problem is solved. Which DB? Which difficulty?
RSM-news DB 2012 v0.9, tried on extreme, and normal. On normal difficulty more riders fell of main bunch, but still peloton had too many riders. |
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| bajbar |
Posted on 13-07-2012 13:33
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Do you think they are going to do something about thi problem in the next patches. Because it is really irritating that you watch the tour, when Sky get at the front and riders just simply keep falling of, and then playing PCM where you pace the whole peloton upa a HC climb and even the sprinters don't fell off until the second climb, and the finishing with 30 rider on mountain top finish. It doesn't seem right... |
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| droopy |
Posted on 13-07-2012 14:05
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I hope they can solve this problem, i'm now also playing PCM 2011 again. It has to be realistic. Now it isn't. I don't understand that they can't keep the good things from a previous game. The AI is less then the previous version of PCM. |
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| Hayfisch |
Posted on 13-07-2012 14:43
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Hello, I had the same problem with the RSM-news DB 2012 v0.9. Now I have Patch 1.2.0.0 and the 1.2.0.0 Realname Database. I played singel mode (Tour de France). It is very realistic and after 12 stages nothing looks strange. At mountains all realistic and small groups with realistic gaps.
Also I had problems with the sponsor targets with RSM-news DB. The targets wasn't reachable(no wildcards received) or some races wasn't chooseable in the calender. Now I tried it with 10 different teams and the new patch and DB. I say it's working fine now. |
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| tellico |
Posted on 13-07-2012 15:21
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I just had this on the Tour of Oman climbing stage. Career mode, PCM France DB v3 (stats mostly the same the official DB). 15km climb with app.10%. Winner Gilbert, whole peloton on the finish line. My best climbers Velits and Leipheimer on dot 78-82 whole last 15km. They were fresh (85% green bar, 90% yellow and almost 100% red bar) and was overtaking by 65MO riders which has maintain position but they was in the middle of the peloton. I think that is somethink like "peloton factor" implement to improve peloton power. Maybe Cyanide settings this too high...? For me game is unplayable in this case...
Patch 1.2.0.0, hard difficulty.
Interesting that in armada mode climbs are perfect.
Edited by tellico on 13-07-2012 17:03
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| omchi |
Posted on 13-07-2012 16:12
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Guys this is really weird. Now i tried stage with RealnameDB and got realistic result. Looks like this problem is based on database used, but the question is why, because stats are almost same in all DBs. |
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| tellico |
Posted on 13-07-2012 16:33
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I installed 1.1.0.3 again (i hope that it overwrite all necessery files from 1.2.0.0) Just finished the same stage like last post and looks much better. Again Gilbert on podium but also Evans and Velits. 3 groups with few riders each then 2 big groups with others. But i forgot that after install difficulty setting switch to normal so i dont know is it patch or is it difficulty settings. This also may be a coincidence:/ |
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| bajbar |
Posted on 13-07-2012 17:48
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Well, I tried playing the stage to La Toussouire with 1.2.0.0. real name database, and I must say the gameplay was much better. Only 3 riders in the final sprint. But on the other hand, only 102 riders have managed to finish the stage... |
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| alex valceanu |
Posted on 13-07-2012 17:57
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difficulty (cuz it matters ) ? |
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| PCM rulezz |
Posted on 13-07-2012 18:01
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What is now actually the reason of this problem? Some say it's the database other say it's the AI and somebody else says its about stats. What is the main reason for this problem?
Edited by PCM rulezz on 13-07-2012 18:02
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
It's difficult not to be happy when you're surrounded by Belgians. - Mark Cavendish
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 13-07-2012 18:06
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PCM rulezz wrote:
What is now actually the reason of this problem? Some say it's the database other say it's the AI and somebody else says its about stats. What is the main reason for this problem?
Same thing = problem with playing different DB is the stats change. If you want to complain to Cyanide, you should always test with the Official Release. The stats there are supposed to have been made for the best gameplay.
Edited by lluuiiggii on 13-07-2012 18:22
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| alex valceanu |
Posted on 13-07-2012 18:07
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This is my conclusion
-too many riders in peloton if u play a stage or stage race/carrer but if the tour is shor( 4-5-6 days)
-always realistic results in TDF in the mountain stages (especially la toussuire and Peyragude which are uphill finish)
i playes with sky , froome protecting wiggo , wiggo setting the pace and only nibali ,cadel ,andy and vdb managet to finish in the same time frank ,scarpomi,sanchez and hesjedal lost 25 dec in the sprint and the others at over 1 min behind (basso , taarame , rolland ,brajkovic)
So i think that it depends a lot on REC (in the last week i see only 15-20 riders at the start of the last climb)
patch 1.2.00 hard difficulty |
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| PCM rulezz |
Posted on 13-07-2012 18:13
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lluuiiggii wrote:
PCM rulezz wrote:
What is now actually the reason of this problem? Some say it's the database other say it's the AI and somebody else says its about stats. What is the main reason for this problem?
Same thing = problem with playing different DB is the stats change. If you to complain to Cyanide, you should always test with the Official Release. The stats there are supposed to have been made for the best gameplay.
I have played a stage with the Official Release and it wasn't by far a good result: still over 100 riders in the peloton on the last climb. Is there any chance to fix this or can I just hope that a patch will fix it?
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
It's difficult not to be happy when you're surrounded by Belgians. - Mark Cavendish
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 13-07-2012 18:28
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Ste117 wrote:
I won the stage to Seraing comfortably with....... Thibaut Pinot, 74 hill stat on normal difficulty in single stage race mode. I think hilly races are less realistic than mountain stages.
I had Casar protecting Pinot, hill stat 75.
I fear the stage-race mode is still broken, nobody is able to answer it to me, if it is the case still or not.
Thanks for the observations CrueTrue, i am also starting to do some of them and i have similar outputs so far, i am really disapponted. Even more when many people are delighted how gameplay is fantastic, do they have another game?
I decided to sim a few stages once in the Giro and GC contenders like Contador, Evans, Schleck lost around 10 minutes before we hit the high mountains. Also Wiggins, Sanchez lost alot of time too.
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| Pascheck |
Posted on 13-07-2012 21:21
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i had a pretty nice stage to Bagnères-de-Luchon in stage mode. official db from cyniade. latest patch. hard difficulty.
i was controling team saxo bank. started to make the pace with haedo and tanner. not much happened at the first climb. but it's normal when you pace with haedo. now the tourmalet. nicki sorensen doing very fast pace with dot 85. when he was exhausted paulinho took over and splittet the peloton down to 50 man at the summit. paulinho set the pace for 2 kilometres on col d'aspin. chris anker sorensen took over lead and decimated the group to 30 man. at the bottom of the peyresourde froome and nibali tried an escape but now chris anker sorensen and dani navarro speedup the group of the favorites. nibali and froome were caught up and a few other couldn't follow. sorensen with +5 had an awesome day. now it was time for the favourites. frank schleck with an attack. i followed him with contador. evans, menchov, sanchez, van den broek, wiggins, andy schleck and basso were the only one who managed to stick around. contador had good legs so i decided to launch another attack with him. this time only andy schleck and evans stay with him. in the descent contador and evans worked together and outpaced andy schleck. rolland won the stage out of a breakaway in front of poels. evans and contador reached the finish one minute down. andy schleck lost 30 seconds to them. van den broek another +20. wqiggins, schleck, froome and nibali reached the finish together +1:37 to evans and contador. basso and menchov +10 to the wiggins group. the 30 placed was over 6 mins down. pretty exciting stage. at the first mountain stage to La Planche des Belles Filles ended with a 25 man sprint and i was very disappointed. but the next mountain stages have been very entertaining. the etape to La Planche des Belles Filles is to easy and the last mountain is not long enough therefore it ends with a big group sprint. |
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| 9-Ball |
Posted on 14-07-2012 05:53
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I still have basically the same largely realistic results as outlined in the earlier post. I've no idea why so many are seeing wildly odd results. Perhaps it's simply a DB issue.
I would say that 75-80 effort seems conservative to me and I can't break the leaders group apart with a team training up the first 50%. However if I put two or three teammates at the lead and put them at 85-90% perpetual then they really split the lead group up. I've tested this a few times now using Sky-high and of course there be other issues there but I got a similar effect on one test stage with BMC. Bottom line, no problems shedding all but the top GC riders on big climbs and sometimes them too. I can only think it's a DB issue since everything else should be the same.
Still seeing some slight oddness with big sprint finishes however, with GC and other decidedly non-sprinter riders in the mix all too often, or managing to attack in the final 2-3 KM when the pace is very high. Again, I've found to get a reliable launch train I'm having to hit 85-95% quite often.
I'm beginning meddling with stats to test results in sim'd stages and 3D real-time mountain stages tomorrow. I will report anything that seems useful or odd.
[edit for madly annoying typo]
Edited by 9-Ball on 14-07-2012 05:54
It was eleven more than necessary.
Jacques Anquetil
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