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The Frustration Thread 2012
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| cio93 |
Posted on 19-07-2012 21:58
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Wiggins @15:23, would've liked that 
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| cilldroichid |
Posted on 19-07-2012 22:07
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Wiggins was involved in a crash, sorry i meant to mention that as i knew Wiggins @15:23 would stand out. |
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| 9-Ball |
Posted on 19-07-2012 22:09
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lluuiiggii wrote:
Sure there is, but only in career mode, it's called "training camp" I think. Btw, apparently if you go there playing with Team Sky you get double stat bonus - but only if you take your TdF climbers, no other riders whatsoever 
<groan>
It was eleven more than necessary.
Jacques Anquetil
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| 9-Ball |
Posted on 19-07-2012 22:12
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carmelobymelo wrote:
9-Ball wrote:
Single - not tried career yet. Although, the going wisdom is it's harder to find realistic mountain results in single stages or single stage races. I've been using the following DB [https://pcmdaily.com/infusions/pro_download_panel/download.php?did=845] up until installing the PCM Daily Expansion on Tuesday. Only run 4 or 5 test mountain stages with it so far but I'm seeing similar results. Nothing weird so far.
Playing on Expansion Pack with newest patch not a single rider was dropped on Col de la Madeleine(26km 6%)...so appalling.
Carmelo,
what difficulty level are you playing on?
Are you 100% positive you're using the Expansion pack DB? Worth double-checking. Maybe double-check the actual RES stats in the DB as it seems to really matter.
Beyond that, I don't know. I have had a few conversations with people here seeing your problem but I've never had it myself. I've seen it in vanilla installs of PCM 2008, 9 and 10.
It was eleven more than necessary.
Jacques Anquetil
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| carmelobymelo |
Posted on 19-07-2012 22:14
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9-Ball wrote:
carmelobymelo wrote:
9-Ball wrote:
Single - not tried career yet. Although, the going wisdom is it's harder to find realistic mountain results in single stages or single stage races. I've been using the following DB [https://pcmdaily.com/infusions/pro_download_panel/download.php?did=845] up until installing the PCM Daily Expansion on Tuesday. Only run 4 or 5 test mountain stages with it so far but I'm seeing similar results. Nothing weird so far.
Playing on Expansion Pack with newest patch not a single rider was dropped on Col de la Madeleine(26km 6%)...so appalling.
Carmelo,
what difficulty level are you playing on?
Are you 100% positive you're using the Expansion pack DB? Worth double-checking. Maybe double-check the actual RES stats in the DB as it seems to really matter.
Beyond that, I don't know. I have had a few conversations with people here seeing your problem but I've never had it myself. I've seen it in vanilla installs of PCM 2008, 9 and 10.
I'm sure about db, it's just game that sucks, hope next patch solves it.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 20-07-2012 06:39
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9-Ball wrote:
carmelobymelo wrote:
9-Ball wrote:
Single - not tried career yet. Although, the going wisdom is it's harder to find realistic mountain results in single stages or single stage races. I've been using the following DB [https://pcmdaily.com/infusions/pro_download_panel/download.php?did=845] up until installing the PCM Daily Expansion on Tuesday. Only run 4 or 5 test mountain stages with it so far but I'm seeing similar results. Nothing weird so far.
Playing on Expansion Pack with newest patch not a single rider was dropped on Col de la Madeleine(26km 6%)...so appalling.
Carmelo,
what difficulty level are you playing on?
Are you 100% positive you're using the Expansion pack DB? Worth double-checking. Maybe double-check the actual RES stats in the DB as it seems to really matter.
Beyond that, I don't know. I have had a few conversations with people here seeing your problem but I've never had it myself. I've seen it in vanilla installs of PCM 2008, 9 and 10.
I would say the majority has the same problem, me too, actually you are one of the few that seems to ger realistic results. In my carrer with Daily expansion pack, i have large group ariving to the sprint in hilly and mountain stages. Hard or extreme difficulty...
I think the patch 1.2.0.0 is the problem, it broke my game, thanks Cyanide.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 20-07-2012 06:40
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| RJCPS |
Posted on 23-07-2012 10:11
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
9-Ball wrote:
carmelobymelo wrote:
9-Ball wrote:
Single - not tried career yet. Although, the going wisdom is it's harder to find realistic mountain results in single stages or single stage races. I've been using the following DB [https://pcmdaily.com/infusions/pro_download_panel/download.php?did=845] up until installing the PCM Daily Expansion on Tuesday. Only run 4 or 5 test mountain stages with it so far but I'm seeing similar results. Nothing weird so far.
Playing on Expansion Pack with newest patch not a single rider was dropped on Col de la Madeleine(26km 6%)...so appalling.
Carmelo,
what difficulty level are you playing on?
Are you 100% positive you're using the Expansion pack DB? Worth double-checking. Maybe double-check the actual RES stats in the DB as it seems to really matter.
Beyond that, I don't know. I have had a few conversations with people here seeing your problem but I've never had it myself. I've seen it in vanilla installs of PCM 2008, 9 and 10.
I would say the majority has the same problem, me too, actually you are one of the few that seems to ger realistic results. In my carrer with Daily expansion pack, i have large group ariving to the sprint in hilly and mountain stages. Hard or extreme difficulty...
I think the patch 1.2.0.0 is the problem, it broke my game, thanks Cyanide.
What race are you playing? GT? One week tour? Classics? Are you doing every stage on that tour or just a select few?
Im having realistic results lately and the only thing that I've changed is the fact that Im actually doing every stage on the big events of the season instead of sim'ing a few stages here and there. Now, I think the thought that riders dont get tired when you sim stages is a joke but I dont see any difference from my previous career to this one, or from you guys (possibly) to the testing people having good results.
Well if that is a stupid idea ignore it 
On to the frustration part of my post. The thing that annoys me the most with this game is the fact that if you change orders mid race for your domestiques, the game autosets your leaders to work in the front of the group. FFS I already lost the GIRO im currently playing because when I waited for cav with appolonio and told him again to protect in one of the A groups, Uran, Froome and Henao changed to relay in the peloton and I only noticed it at the end of the climb. Obviously when the other big guns attacked my 3 riders almost fell of their bikes and lost a lot of time 
Now I always stop the clock when giving orders to avoid this but it is still annoying because you have to set everything a lot of times even when paying attention (for instance when this happens you cancel the relay order and then put Xandio protecting Uran bam...the leaders have the relay again making Xandio lose his protecting command. You cancel it and put Xandio again, this time it works fine. Next Kenny protecting Froome...same sh*t happens again and you have to do it all over again, and this goes on for 2 or 3 times). It is not game breaking apart from when you are distracted but it is frustrating as hell. |
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| Rammus |
Posted on 23-07-2012 10:31
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RJCPS wrote:
Beyond that, I don't know. I have had a few conversations with people
On to the frustration part of my post. The thing that annoys me the most with this game is the fact that if you change orders mid race for your domestiques, the game autosets your leaders to work in the front of the group. FFS I already lost the GIRO im currently playing because when I waited for cav with appolonio and told him again to protect in one of the A groups, Uran, Froome and Henao changed to relay in the peloton and I only noticed it at the end of the climb. Obviously when the other big guns attacked my 3 riders almost fell of their bikes and lost a lot of time
Oh thats what that is ? I've had that happen a few times and thought I'd just pressed accidently a key on my keyboard which made them all relay or something ... grrr |
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| Koener |
Posted on 23-07-2012 10:59
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İ play with Coldeportes and in ostereich rundfahrt and some other races there are stages with a HC climb two 2c climb catalogues as a hilly stage. With my guys in top form and climbing camp i expect to throw off the leader Van Hecke (climbing 64) easily. Cardenas climbing 77 pulls at 80 strength the whole HC climb of 10km only to find that doosh still following in the front ranks. On another occasion same thing (many mountains, but hilly catogorized) i tried to make it tough again to only see Cav CAV !!!! win it.
There is something wrong with catogorisation of stages in many races, making it NO FUN if you like a climbing team
Career and daily expansion.
2010 with 2012 daily expansion is wonderfully realistic this is SHİTE
Edited by Koener on 23-07-2012 11:05
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| Koener |
Posted on 23-07-2012 13:49
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This is it........... I trow this game in the closet until there is a better db or patch.
I am 1 min behind Oscar Freire in the Vuelta de Burgos.
Last stage is a 'mountain stage' with a finish on the top of a 1 catogory climb.
Guess what i cannot loose him au contraire....
Freire finishes for me with climbing 63 and me 77
I won everything on exteme in 2010 so i am no tactical dumbass
Edited by AaB-ern on 23-07-2012 13:50
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 23-07-2012 17:04
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You shouldn't look only in the MO stat. If the stage finished on top of a Cat 1 climb, perhaps it wasn't much hard, and the HIL/MO ratio could be way less than 1 (a 1 value means only the climbing stat is used when climbing; a 0 means only the HIL value is used; 0,5 means half of both are used, etc), and Freire, being quite good in HIL, would have managed to defend himself.
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| Koener |
Posted on 23-07-2012 17:32
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ok llllluigiii, still the point remains that there are very few mountainstages, only in the GC's.
And many races are designated hilly with a HC col or two 1cat col in it.
its a bit weird to see Ballan pull the peloton over a 1cat climb while the likes of Pantano and Cardenas have to let go. Because of this stage classification errors Freire wins the vuelta of Burgos and Van Hecke the tour of Austria. (tour of austria has five 1th cat climbs in the parcours)
Edited by Koener on 23-07-2012 17:32
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| DonHermano |
Posted on 23-07-2012 21:20
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example ... mountain stage ...
importance of mountain vlaue 60% - value 68 * 0,6
imporance of hill value 40% - value 74 * 0,4
the average is now arround 70 ...
it is simple ... the importance of the mountain value has to be increased ... |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 23-07-2012 21:27
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Well, in previous years, a single Cat. 1 mountain usually was enough for stage-makers to classify the stage as MO/HIL 1.
So I wonder when it's really not the known "everyone has the same stats"-stuff, that it could be a bug of the new "invention" that stages define their ratio themselves now?
Edited by cio93 on 23-07-2012 21:28
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 23-07-2012 22:33
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cio93 wrote:
Well, in previous years, a single Cat. 1 mountain usually was enough for stage-makers to classify the stage as MO/HIL 1.
So I wonder when it's really not the known "everyone has the same stats"-stuff, that it could be a bug of the new "invention" that stages define their ratio themselves now?
The game reading stages ratio isn't new from PCM12, it's been there since the new stage editor back in PCM10 Before, in PCM09, I believe the DB-makers had to set the values themselves looking on the profile of the stage, but after PCM10 - and at least in the 2012 DB of PCMDaily for PCM11 - the stages info were simply opened in the Viewer and the values copied to the DB (so, concerning HIL/MO and uphill sprint ratios, it was pretty much the same as happens now, except that now is easier). It wasn't rare for me, at least (not sure about others), to change some of the values when adding stages, but rarely I changed the ratios - basically changed time gap and classification of the stage (flat, hilly, etc). And checking a couple of 2012 stages added by CrueTrue in the 2012 DB I believe he also rarely changed the ratios.
So, if a stage containing a Cat. 1 climb in PCM12 has, for example, HIL/MO ratio at 0,65, very probably the same stage would have HIL/MO ratio 0,65 in PCM11 (and 10 I believe) as well
Lastly, it should be noted that what the game is doing now concerning stages is the same that it did in PCM10-11 concerning all variants - except that now it applies to all stages in the DB, regardless if they are variants or not. So I think it's unlikely the error comes from there
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| Colinas |
Posted on 31-07-2012 16:03
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My frustration is the race interface. I don't hear many complaints about it, so it must be in my head or something, but I find it much more difficult to navigate and the overview sucks in my opinion. It does look nicer though, but if you want to play top notch graphic games, you don't play PCM (on my PC that is...).
I find it much more difficult to see the group I'm riding in (e.g. E1 - P - A3 etc.). Also if the rider is holding position, attacking etc. In PCM 11 this was much easier to see and to react to.
Might just take some time to get used to, but I seriously hate it at the moment.
Other then that, I have nothing much to complain about yet, but I have been playing for only 2-3 hours so far.
Edited by Colinas on 31-07-2012 16:05
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 31-07-2012 16:22
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For me, the game looks and plays ok. The mountain stages are still very unrealistic at times with groups of 40+ riders finishing together and such.
Other then that, it is the bugs that frustrate me. Mostly the bugs in Carrer mode, and yes, i know i shouldn't stat a carrer yet and so on. But the schedule bug is really enoying(the one that start in the 2nd year). And me loosing 50% of my TDF team in the middle of the TDF because is screwed up and booked 50% of them for a Vuelta scouting trip...
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| martyr1777 |
Posted on 01-08-2012 03:17
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Whats most frustrating is when you tell a rider to follow a man and he drops WAY of the guy you told him to follow when he still has plenty of energy. Or when you use the hold position command and they immediately fall back about 10 places before holding their position.
Beyond that the fact the AI is still completely predicable and equipment still is meaningless in the game, even though there are hints talking about during load screens.
To be honest I have no idea why people are so eager to get new releases of this. The devs are making no noticeable improvements that I can see. Only reason i bought it was I had a gift card wasn't going to use for anything else. it would be a great game if they actually put a little more into it. I mean get real, why are they wasting time on the graphics, its such a niche game graphics won't sell games, improved game play will.
Also from what i've seen i think climbs are bugged in some way. I've had average flat landers hold onto the wheel of my climber at higher effort levels unlike 2010. Only way I could drop them is with an attack. |
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 01-08-2012 05:23
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hillis91 wrote:
For me, the game looks and plays ok. The mountain stages are still very unrealistic at times with groups of 40+ riders finishing together and such.
I could not agree more 
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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 10-08-2012 21:16
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How often do you see a 73 sprinter in top form becoming number 30 in a completely normal sprint without being blocked by crashes etc in IRL???
Riders who give their all to get a good placement usually come in inside the top 20 no matter how crappy they are (Timon Seubert, probably the worst rider in the Giro this year got 10th or 11th in a stage)... because the lead-outs drop down and you'll NEVER see a whole peloton sprinting like crazy for the win like in PCM...
Cyalism at its best 
Edited by SweatyViking on 10-08-2012 21:17
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