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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 01-08-2016 20:01
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I can´t let my main man & local hero Laas down <3
btw, congrats Feryn on Kiriyenka 
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| The Rider |
Posted on 01-08-2016 20:31
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Croatia14 wrote:
Leopard - Evonik Pro Cycling
| 5404 | Laas | Martin | | 8636 | Gomez | Modesto |
I can´t let my main man & local hero Laas down <3
btw, congrats Feryn on Kiriyenka
Ah, thanks, he is a good guy to have! Got plenty leftover to pump into Korup, which was one of the key goals for us. Lookout for the African ICL revolution ... (cough cough - in about 5 seasons - cough cough!!)
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Posted on 22-11-2024 15:22
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| knockout |
Posted on 01-08-2016 20:42
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 01-08-2016 20:46
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The Rider wrote:
Croatia14 wrote:
Leopard - Evonik Pro Cycling
| 5404 | Laas | Martin | | 8636 | Gomez | Modesto |
I can´t let my main man & local hero Laas down <3
btw, congrats Feryn on Kiriyenka
Ah, thanks, he is a good guy to have! Got plenty leftover to pump into Korup, which was one of the key goals for us. Lookout for the African ICL revolution ... (cough cough - in about 5 seasons - cough cough!!)
Super work again Bikex!
Stop making me consider putting my training into Mapemba becoming a great Time Trialist! 
"What done is, is one." - Benji Naesen
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| Bikex |
Posted on 02-08-2016 15:52
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Soon there will be the research file, I'm still thinking about the prices currently it looks something like this:
Potential Increasing the Potential of a rider
| 1 -> 2 | 20 | | 2 -> 3 | 50 | | 3 -> 4 | 100 | | 4 -> 5 | 185 | | 5 -> 6 | 350 | | 6 -> 7 | 650 |
Mediator: 10 Benefitial at renewals
Recalc Recalculates maximum of rider
| Pot 1 | 5 | | Pot 2 | 10 | | Pot 3 | 30 | | Pot 4 | 60 | | Pot 5 | 100 | | Pot 6 | 180 | | Pot 7 | 320 |
Fitness Trainer Adding race days for rider
Potion of Youth Increasing Age of Decline
| Year 1 | 85 | | Year 2 | 180 | | Year 3 | 350 | | Year 4 | 630 |
By the Mercy of the Grand Master Increasing Age of Decline
1 Year: 50
Two things are new here: Recalc can be useful if a rider obviously doesn't progress anymore and it might seem like a low reached avg for his potential. Using this the hidden maximum for the rider will be randomly recalculated. This could end up as a waste of money.
The Rider proposed that the Potion of Youth should be cheaper for worse riders iirc. But with the dynamic AoD bad riders already have a higher AoD if they are born 1988 or later, so by the mercy of the grand master would only be available for riders that are currently 30 or older and all have the generic AoD of 33. Also it is only available for riders that have an AVG of 75,00 or less. It can be used as the first or second increase of AoD so 35 or 130 can be saved by that.
I wanted to show you these prices first to get some oppinions, I don't really know if they are fair. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 02-08-2016 16:02
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Year 4 seems a bit too expensive compared to previous years. Wasn't it around 500 last season? I'd either lower year 4 or raise the three first years imo. Due to Contador I am a bit biased but a raise in first three years is imo better for long-term quality of the game, eg. year 1 100, year 2 250, year 3 400, year 4 600.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| OZrocker |
Posted on 02-08-2016 16:20
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I'm not sure I totally understand the recalc option here; is it for use on riders who have stopped progressing but are still below the AoD? If so, does it take the current stats into account or is it a totally random figure?
Most of the prices look good to me, although the fitness trainer seems to require a fair bit of money for not much overall effect IMO. I get why people want to use it but I never have and don't intend to, so it's probably best to leave the judgement to other managers there
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| Bikex |
Posted on 02-08-2016 16:27
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OZrocker wrote:
I'm not sure I totally understand the recalc option here; is it for use on riders who have stopped progressing but are still below the AoD? If so, does it take the current stats into account or is it a totally random figure?
Most of the prices look good to me, although the fitness trainer seems to require a fair bit of money for not much overall effect IMO. I get why people want to use it but I never have and don't intend to, so it's probably best to leave the judgement to other managers there
Every rider has a hidden number that tells to what point he will naturally increase his stats. That number is usually higher for a higher potential but as it is randomly generated it can be comparably low. The recalc makes it possible to increase that number. Of course people don't know the number but when the development of a rider stops the number is probably reached.
I think the Fitness Trainer prices are good. Last year I added 5 RDs to Nibali and he won the WT Rankings, also because of that.
@Shonak: No Year 4 was 630 before, I agree that the prices for 1-3 should be highered but as I only was able to update the prices so late, some already planned with the previous prices. Next season there might be a change. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 02-08-2016 16:40
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We never knew the prices before in any season up to now imo so it's okay to change year 1-3 prices if you want to. But I get the sentiment of not making life tough on people. I just think pre-season calculations shouldn't determine what the rules of the game are.
Fitness trainer prices are good, me thinks too. Those things are gold in WT hands. Can we actually apply two fitness trainer on one certain rider?
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Bikex |
Posted on 02-08-2016 18:05
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Shonak wrote:
We never knew the prices before in any season up to now imo so it's okay to change year 1-3 prices if you want to. But I get the sentiment of not making life tough on people. I just think pre-season calculations shouldn't determine what the rules of the game are.
Fitness trainer prices are good, me thinks too. Those things are gold in WT hands. Can we actually apply two fitness trainer on one certain rider?
You are right, but this time is the first time research is done prior to the season and I've got a lot of PMs asking about research prices. I didn't know them then, because I had no time to make them, so I said they are similar to last season. I know of someone who made his entire planning to have 350 left for the Year 3 PoY, so I definitely won't increase it this time, as that would potentially mess up the planning of some managers. Next season research prices will be published before the transfer season ends.
The Last Round of signing riders is over now, so here is the DB: https://www.mediafire.com/download/rh2...DB-LR.xlsx
Also the Loyalty column is now updated.
I'm preparing now the file for assigning riders to the U23 teams and the research file should also be uploaded soon. After that is already the planning, which can't start before the calendar is updated, which I will probably only be able to do after the 6th, as that is the day I write my last exam. If someone could help me with that (updating calendar, making routes, not my exam), it could go faster, though. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 02-08-2016 18:35
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Shouldn't training come before U23 selection? A rider might not be eligible anymore after training him.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 02-08-2016 19:05
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@Ollfardh: Should that happen you are allowed to change your decision regarding the U23 riders.
U23 Selection
Download: https://www.mediafire.com/download/r3a...ction.xlsx
Please open the last db and sort the riders by their team, copy your entire team and paste it in cell A1 (the red one). Then open the table U23 selection. There you'll see all your riders listed, next to them there is a field either colored red, green or orange. If its red the rider isn't eligible for your U23 team, if it's green or orange the rider is. The field will be orange if the rider has an average of over 71 or is already 23. These riders will also benefit from the U23 team but not as much as other riders.
Your U23 team needs 8-10 riders. But make sure your main team won't have too less riders then.
The added up wage of your dev team should be 1000-1500. In the end if you've done everything correctly K3 - K5 will have turned green.
When done send me columns A-G of the U23 Selection table.
This should be done rather quickly as most have already a plan on what riders will be in the U23 team. I hope to get the files for all 17 U23 teams until tomorrow. |
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| brewers90 |
Posted on 02-08-2016 19:29
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Finally, after a long. long wait, I get to do something. I'm going to try to be less organised next season so I'm not finished after Round 1 of Free Agents.
Not that this is going to take more than 20 seconds as my DT is pretty obvious. Damn. Bring on the planning.
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| knockout |
Posted on 02-08-2016 21:15
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For the second straight year i struggled with this task because i had to make some difficult decisions 
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 03-08-2016 06:36
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I've gone ahead with the preliminary work for the Team Previews. Wanted to confirm whether this is the final version of the DB or is there likely to be more changes?
Also, for teams with dev squads attached, should I take out the dev team riders when doing the preview for the main team? And is a preview for dev teams also something that everyone is looking forward too? I will do that too then.
Wanted to get everyone's thoughts before I started off finalizing it...
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| Luxemburger |
Posted on 03-08-2016 08:00
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The thing with the price for the extra race days made me ask what is the maximum of race days for a rider, and although I re-read the FAQ and the opening post of this thread and confirmation thread I didn't find any information about that. Can someone tell me it please?
Kirchen's second account according to Spilak23, 21-07-2016 17:16
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| jaxika |
Posted on 03-08-2016 08:04
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Luxemburger wrote:
The thing with the price for the extra race days made me ask what is the maximum of race days for a rider, and although I re-read the FAQ and the opening post of this thread and confirmation thread I didn't find any information about that. Can someone tell me it please?
Its in the DB, next to the riders stats, wage, bd, pot |
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| OZrocker |
Posted on 03-08-2016 09:12
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AbhishekLFC wrote:
I've gone ahead with the preliminary work for the Team Previews. Wanted to confirm whether this is the final version of the DB or is there likely to be more changes?
Also, for teams with dev squads attached, should I take out the dev team riders when doing the preview for the main team? And is a preview for dev teams also something that everyone is looking forward too? I will do that too then.
Wanted to get everyone's thoughts before I started off finalizing it...
This will be the final DB, except some teams still need to be separated into their U23 squads and main teams. Research and training(?) might change riders' stats by a little bit, but no more riders can be transferred in or out from teams.
It's your preview, so do it however you want to. I'm sure we'll all be happy to read whatever you come up with.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 04-08-2016 13:38
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Research
Download: https://www.mediafire.com/download/lm2...earch.xlsx
#1 Enter your team ID in C2 your remaining budget will show up in the Total cell
#2 Put in F2 the money you want to keep for scouting, for both scouting and research you'll get a 100 bonus each. The 100 bonus for research is already included in the Total calculation.
#3 Put the money you want to use for training into the corresponding cell, the Other cell will calculate itself.
Training
Additionally to the points a rider will naturaly gain you can add some through research. You can research on nine different training options. The result of research will be "packages" of stat gains. Researching for a specific rider type can bring you gains in all the stats that aren't 0 in the specific package type. One package will be used for only one rider. You can research a maximum of four packages of every type.
The numbers in cells C-O are the likeliness that you will get points for that specific stat.
To research on a rider type simply put the money you want to use next to it (columns P-S). You can spend money on as many rider types you like to. If you want to have several packages for one type of rider, so that you can spend it on several riders, also put numbers in the lines below "2,3,4".
The more you spend for one package the higher is the chance to get a lot of points. There is no minimum to be spent, but below 20 it can happen that there are no points at all awarded.
One gained point doesn't equal one stat point. The higher the stat, the more points have to be paid for the stat.
Rules for assigning statpacks:
There are limits in all the main stats, which currently may not be passed by a rider. The limits are 82(MO, SP, TT) and 81(CB, HI). A statpack that costed more than 100 can only be spent on riders with an average of 78,0 or more, if it fits the rider stats distribution. Meaning a climber package on a climber and so on and on an AVG 78+ climber can e.g. only a sprinter package which was max 100 paid for. The same counts for riders 76,0 or better with stat packs that costed more than 250.
However, I still reserve myself the right to intervene if a rider will become to strong to my liking.
A max of 3 packages can be used on one rider.
Other
In other you have the option to use the research money in 6 different fields:
Potential
Will increase the potential of a rider according to the potential package you bought.
Mediator
Can be used to lower wages during renewals. Makes it a good way to pass money into the next season.
Fitness Trainer
Makes it possible to increase a riders race days. These can not be combined, so only one Fitness Trainer per rider.
Potion of Youth
Increases the Age of Decline of a rider. If you want to increase the AoD by several years, you have to buy all the years in between.
Recalc
Recalc can be useful if a rider obviously doesn't progress anymore and it might seem like a low reached avg for his potential. Using this the hidden maximum for the rider will be randomly recalculated. This could end up as a waste of money.
By The mercy of the Grand Master
By the mercy of the grand master is only be available for riders that are born 1987 or earlier and all have the generic AoD of 33. Also it is only available for riders that have an AVG of 75,00 or less. It can be used as the first or second increase of AoD.
To buy one of these researches for one rider put a 1 into cell next to it. You can buy each package an unlimited amount of times, for that just put a higher number than 1 there.
Once you are done go to "PM" and copy the grey area in a table and send it to me.
Fitness Trainers that were bought in the research at the end of last season can be used for this season as well. These teams have bought some already:
| Team | Fitness Trainer | | Illes Balears | 4 | | Prorace - La Boulangère | 1 | | CarbonSports Cycling - Lightweight | 1 | | CarbonSports Cycling - Lightweight | 2 | | Italo - Ventilair | 5 | | CCC Sprandi Polkowice | 1 | | CCC Sprandi Polkowice | 2 |
Edited by Bikex on 04-08-2016 14:16
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 04-08-2016 13:47
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Are the limits only for trained stats or also for natural progression?
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