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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-07-2013 20:59
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Spilak23 wrote:
Le Monde confirms Pantani, Ullrich, Julich, Zabel all positive for EPO in 1998. Full list will be announced Wednesday.
O'grady and Voigt are the only riders that were in that Tour that are still racing and the first has already announced his retirement.
Don't think Voigt will be one of the names. Might cause some trouble for a couple of directeurs sportifs
I wonder how many riders' samples they tested so they got only 44 riders. 45? 
44 samples, not riders. Only about 20-something riders were tested total.
That's why i hope L'Équipe also lists who had clean samples.
There are almost certainly no Voigt samples so he gets off scot free.....again
O'Grady is one of the positives. Cipollini too. Desbiens. Durand.
Edited by issoisso on 23-07-2013 21:02
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-07-2013 21:01
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Spilak23 wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
Who won in 98? Was Ulrich or Pantani, can't remember. Wonder if the UCI will retrieve his title. 
Pantani won but the UCI can't retrieve his title.
(I think because) They can only strip you after the b-sample is positive but Pantani has deceased so can't ask a b-sample.
It's because of the 8 year statute of limitations.
When an A-sample is positive the rider or his living representative (family) is given 30 days to ask for the B-sample to be tested.
If after 30 days there's no request for the B sample to be tested, the positive is announced. If they ask for the B sample, they get a month or two more salary before being fired.
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Posted on 23-07-2013 21:07
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Here's the pdf with the results of testing. No rider names of course because no lab testing samples ever knows whose samples they're testing.
Pink means positive. Brownish green means positive (despite the label). White means unclassifiable.
"autoradio" in column A means visual positive. A number in column B means EPO in the sample with that % of recombinant forms.
On the left column ("Serie Labo" ) any time you see a new number it's a different stage. First serie is prologue samples, 2nd serie is stage 1 sample, etc. Jumps from stage 16 to 18 because 17 was cancelled.
Yellow jersey wearer (POST STAGE NOT DURING), stage winner and two randoms were tested every stage. Only 3 tested means yellow jersey wearer won stage.
EDIT: Oh, and the document also includes the 1999 retesting we knew about in 2005. Stage top 3 and 2 randoms. Notice how all prologue samples are positive as we knew back then.
Edited by issoisso on 23-07-2013 21:11
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Posted on 23-07-2013 21:34
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Danish cyclist Bo Hamburger admitted in 2007 that he had used EPO from 1995 to 1997, but not in 1998, when he won Fleche Wallone and wore the yellow jersey for one day. Tomorrow could thus be a wee bit embarrising, huh?
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| 547984 |
Posted on 23-07-2013 21:36
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isso, where's the pdf?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-07-2013 21:44
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Spilak23 wrote:
Zabel
"I only used EPO for 1 week in 1996 and then never again I swear"
Nice to see Erik's finally been caught
XxMillad24Xx wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Le Monde confirms Pantani, Ullrich, Julich, Zabel all positive for EPO in 1998. Full list will be announced Wednesday.
O'grady and Voigt are the only riders that were in that Tour that are still racing and the first has already announced his retirement.
Don't think Voigt will be one of the names. Might cause some trouble for a couple of directeurs sportifs
O'Grady retiring to me is a sign that he's guilty.
Voigt, you want to believe he didn't, but.....
Voigt is 100% guilty, trust me
547984 wrote:
isso, where's the pdf?
The attachment was there, but after editing I can't get it back on a post. Weird.
Here:
https://www.mediaf...tq1sfcby1c
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 23-07-2013 22:19
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Looking through that list and matching things with stage podium finishers, yellow jersey wearers these are the following I can construct [solely from deduction of the results on the .pdf, no prior knowledge applied] this list:
Boardman
Steels
Zabel
McEwen
Svorada
Cipollini
Hamburger
O'Grady
Hamilton?
Ullrich
Durand
Pantani
Boogerd?
Evidence seems to be pointing towards Julich being clean; so I've probably got something wrong
'99 tour much harder to piece together due to a significantly lower number of positives, here's a list of one's I'm pretty certain of:
Armstrong
Zulle
Virenque
Cipollini
Zabel
And here's a list of possibles
Olano?
Steels?
Kirsipuu?
O'Grady?
Moreau?
Kirsipuu?
Guerini?
Tonkov?
Dierckxsens?
Lelli?
Not sure at all about the last two.
Don't take this to mean anything, this is only a rudimentary interpretation, as we don't know who's who on the sheet.
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 23-07-2013 22:22
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Boogerd already confesed that he used.
so no surprise he is on the list
Edited by SSJ2Luigi on 23-07-2013 22:23
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Posted on 23-07-2013 22:28
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Julich? Clean? |
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Posted on 23-07-2013 22:29
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Stromeon wrote:
Lots of evidence pointing towards Julich being clean.
The Top3 of the GC were all announced positive, so no clean Julich.
Completely other topic:
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-07-2013 22:29
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jph27 wrote:
Julich? Clean?
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Posted on 23-07-2013 22:30
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Oh dear everyone Zabel'd my edit
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 23-07-2013 22:33
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ppanther wrote:
Stromeon wrote:
Lots of evidence pointing towards Julich being clean.
The Top3 of the GC were all announced positive, so no clean Julich.
Completely other topic:
Whats wrong with the CN forum? Somebody not happy with whats written there?
Nothing to that extent. Its down to future net PCL run forums. Other forums associated with future PCL are also down.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 23-07-2013 22:35
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That 1998 Cofidis team will all test positive, I reckon. Just look at their results before and after that Tour. |
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Posted on 23-07-2013 22:37
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Alakagom wrote:
Nothing to that extent. Its down to future net PCL run forums. Other forums associated with future PCL are also down.
Ok, interpreted too much into that. I was suspicious, because they choose a strange time to update and normally it should be finished within a day. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 23-07-2013 22:38
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jph27 wrote:
That 1998 Cofidis team will all test positive, I reckon. Just look at their results before and after that Tour.
No. The French will give Rinero the TdF win!
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-07-2013 22:44
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Stromeon wrote:
Oh dear everyone Zabel'd my edit
Don't worry, we'll all test positive in 15 years
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Posted on 23-07-2013 22:49
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issoisso wrote:
There are almost certainly no Voigt samples so he gets off scot free.....again
Damn it, I was really hoping they'd take him down at last. Froome aside, there's no one I'd rather see exposed than him.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 23-07-2013 22:57
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Spilak23 wrote:
jph27 wrote:
That 1998 Cofidis team will all test positive, I reckon. Just look at their results before and after that Tour.
No. The French will give Rinero the TdF win!
He'd be a perfect symbol of how a career could be entirely built on EPO abuses, and go to smithereens once the super-talented guy who trained so hard for all his dear life stopped using the magic product.
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Posted on 23-07-2013 22:57
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Anyone saw this one? 
LMGKK Ziemia Brzeska
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