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PCM 2013 - First Impressions Thread
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| cio93 |
Posted on 21-06-2013 00:10
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lluuiiggii wrote:
PR stuff
ShortsNL played RVV in his stream tonight, and had a similar situation.
(you can re-watch that situation at https://www.twitch.../419640429
about 1:50:00 in)
He managed to get Roelandts into a leading group of four with Cancellara, Flecha and Chavanel.
Behind, the peloton stopped working, with ~5 guys 40 seconds ahead.
Over the last hill, Roelandts was dead and all others attacked away.
When they had a gap of 50 seconds with about 10k to go, they stopped working together, allowing a completely spent Roelandts to return and subsequently his heart rate to go down to 155.
The chase group sat up as well and got caught by the big group already 5 minutes back.
In the end, the first three sprinted away from Roelandts again, but still far too much sitting up amongst the best 10-20 riders.
PCM 2012 all over again.
Obviously too few races to draw general conclusions, but I as a ManGame manager won't sleep well tonight.
Edited by cio93 on 21-06-2013 00:13
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 21-06-2013 00:23
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cio93 wrote:
PCM 2012 all over again.
Obviously too few races to draw general conclusions, but I as a ManGame manager won't sleep well tonight.
PCM12? This is way worse than PCM12! It had a bad but minimally decent gameplay on cobbled races. But this is just lame 
Same here, I can only hope it'll be better with some patches or that these were exceptional one-offs. But it's not a very good start, specially since some of these are old bugs..
Edited by lluuiiggii on 21-06-2013 00:24
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 21-06-2013 00:25
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lluuiiggii wrote:
cio93 wrote:
PCM 2012 all over again.
Obviously too few races to draw general conclusions, but I as a ManGame manager won't sleep well tonight.
PCM12? This is way worse than PCM12! It had a bad but minimally decent gameplay on cobbled races. But this is just lame
Same here, I can only hope it'll be better with some patches or that these were exceptional one-offs. But it's not a very good start, specially since some of these are old bugs..
Fuck all that! You can only have 1 sponsor!!!!!!!!! Nothing is worse than that!
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| Gaffeff |
Posted on 21-06-2013 00:56
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I think the management part of looks better. I like the groups (I always had them written down on paper before) And organising rider/sponsor goals. Haven't had much time to test out the gameplay yet, but confident the patches will pick any issues up.
Overall better than 2012 at the same point last year.
Not sure "nothing" worse than one sponsor, just watch the news on any chosen day and you'll see worse. Bit of perspective, please.
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| fightinchicken26 |
Posted on 21-06-2013 01:06
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I've played through Tour Down Under, most of Paris-Nice, and the beginning of Tirreno-Adriatico in a career as Garmin so far. Breakaways seem to win a lot... All but I think two sprints ended with a breakaways win at TDU, with Jens Voigt winning the GC after one such stage. The field was incredibly week, though, with no great punchers or sprinters with a rating of 78.
Paris-Nice, on the other hand, has a much stronger field like regular but still seems to have the same problem. I just finished one hilly stage and Katusha took 1-2 before the peloton raced behind them for third. I was doing everything I could to chase down Daniel Moreno when another Katusha rider attacked. I sent Daniel Martin to follow him since the team with the yellow jersey didn't seem capable of doing anything right. Of course, then the peloton responds... Just to stop and let the two Katusha riders go. 
Simulation is really weird, too. I generally skip non Pro Tour races, but maybe that's not an option anymore...
But there are some pros. Mountain stages play way better. Although they are extremely exaggerated, I like the new animations. The new fitness systems seems cool and will be awesome if it is perfected. I also love the return of rider programs and negotiating goals. And for a PCM release DB, the stats are surprisingly good.
Edited by fightinchicken26 on 21-06-2013 01:09
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 21-06-2013 01:18
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Possible bug:
The db Editor doesn't seem to do anything. Tried making changes to the Realname dbs and the stats stayed the same even though it was a completely new cdb file.
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| Mresuperstar |
Posted on 21-06-2013 01:39
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valverde321 wrote:
Possible bug:
The db Editor doesn't seem to do anything. Tried making changes to the Realname dbs and the stats stayed the same even though it was a completely new cdb file.
Did you hit edit or validate (whichever one it is called) under the rider. Possibly hidden sometimes by the menu bar?
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| cogneto |
Posted on 21-06-2013 01:57
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9-Ball wrote:
Re: the loading times, I'm not seeing that. Maybe it's system specific? With everything maxed out the stage load times are similar to PCM2012. What are your specs?
my load times are fast i dont know if my 16 gigs of ram helps thou you would think so .
people say breakaways win alot well the AI has improved and the breakaway riders will work with each other now alot better than it was in 2012 i broke away with 1 rider in a pack of 5 at about 15 km out from finish i stopped relaying and 1 of the other guys with me took off and won the race i was spewing i was not ready for it.. So you must pay attention to the break aways alot more now imo.
Edited by cogneto on 21-06-2013 02:09
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 21-06-2013 02:44
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Hillis back, back again (Slim Shady Parody)
So, how is everybody liking the game so far?
I can't wait to pick it up, when the CD version drops.
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Posted on 23-12-2024 08:17
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| NTTHRASH |
Posted on 21-06-2013 03:37
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My system has a 56MB graphics card and it still looks pretty. 
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| wogsrus |
Posted on 21-06-2013 03:59
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Animations are brilliant.
Sprint stages are hectic. Played last stage of TDU, leadout train was all over the place. Much harder to get it set up and out of other peoples way.
Mountain stages seem brilliant. Played as Team Sky on Alpe D'Huez stage. First time up the climb only had 20 people left after pushing very hard. Far more realistic. |
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 21-06-2013 05:10
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Dived straight in with a custom career and first race was the Aussie national championships, Goss took a solo victory and it played really well. I even managed to sneak away from the bunch at the end with my scouted rider who had been in the break all day to steal 5th and be the only conti or pro conti team to score any points from it.
Next up tour de San Luis and the same Aussie rider managed to force a 5 man split early on with 2 sky, 1 europcar and 1 bmc rider following him. They quickly got a 4 min lead but as it was clear no-one was going to help him due to sky having 2 riders he attacked away never to be seen again, winning the opening stage of the race by 22:27. I think that's how you properly break the game, as long as he doesn't crash out then the GC is his although at one stage he had over 27 minutes advantage and I was worried he'd be the only rider to survive stage 1.
EDIT: full stage results in spoiler
Spoiler | 1 | Dale Kerby | Frisky Cycling Team | 3h24'01 | sammyt93 | | 2 | Xavier Florencio | Katusha Team | + 22'27 | | | 3 | Bryan Coquard | Team Europcar | s.t. | | | 4 | Kevin Reza | Team Europcar | s.t. | | | 5 | Danny Van Poppel | Frisky Cycling Team | s.t. | sammyt93 | | 6 | Nairo Quintana | Movistar Team | s.t. | | | 7 | Rüdiger Selig | Katusha Team | s.t. | | | 8 | Juan José Cobo Acebo | Movistar Team | s.t. | | | 9 | Marco Pinotti | BMC Racing Team | s.t. | | | 10 | Ariel Maximiliano Richeze | Lampre-Merida | s.t. | | | 11 | Miguel Armando Ubeto | Lampre-Merida | s.t. | | | 12 | Fabio Felline | Androni Giocattoli | s.t. | | | 13 | Bernhard Eisel | Sky Pro Cycling | s.t. | | | 14 | Stefan Radochla | Euskaltel Euskadi | s.t. | | | 15 | Giovanni Bernaudeau | Team Europcar | s.t. | | | 16 | Oscar Gatto | Vini Fantini | s.t. | | | 17 | Leonardo Duque | Colombia | s.t. | | | 18 | Ion Izagirre | Euskaltel Euskadi | s.t. | | | 19 | Evgueni Petrov | Team Saxo-Tinkoff | s.t. | | | 20 | Gianluca Brambilla | Omega Pharma-Quick-Step Cycling Team | s.t. | | | 21 | Alexandr Kolobnev | Katusha Team | s.t. | | | 22 | Jonathan Tiernan-Locke | Sky Pro Cycling | s.t. | | | 23 | Javier Moreno | Movistar Team | s.t. | | | 24 | Stephen Cummings | BMC Racing Team | s.t. | | | 25 | Jérémie Galland | Sojasun | s.t. | | | 26 | Aleksandr Kuschynski | Katusha Team | s.t. | | | 27 | Jay Thomson | MTN-Qhubeka | s.t. | | | 28 | Matteo Bono | Lampre-Merida | s.t. | | | 29 | Ignatas Konovalovas | MTN-Qhubeka | s.t. | | | 30 | Danilo Wyss | BMC Racing Team | s.t. | | | 31 | Jimmy Engoulvent | Sojasun | s.t. | | | 32 | Alessandro Bazzana | UnitedHealthcare Pro Cycling Team | s.t. | | | 33 | Gorka Verdugo | Euskaltel Euskadi | s.t. | | | 34 | Jon Hayles | Frisky Cycling Team | s.t. | sammyt93 | | 35 | Frantisek Rabon | Omega Pharma-Quick-Step Cycling Team | s.t. | | | 36 | Jarlinson Pantano | Colombia | s.t. | | | 37 | Michele Merlo | Vini Fantini | s.t. | | | 38 | Martin Kohler | BMC Racing Team | s.t. | | | 39 | Joshua Edmondson | Frisky Cycling Team | s.t. | sammyt93 | | 40 | Dario Cataldo | Sky Pro Cycling | s.t. | | | 41 | Cyril Gautier | Team Europcar | s.t. | | | 42 | Maxim Belkov | Katusha Team | s.t. | | | 43 | Karl Menzies | UnitedHealthcare Pro Cycling Team | s.t. | | | 44 | Andy Wilby | Frisky Cycling Team | s.t. | sammyt93 | | 45 | Julien El Fares | Sojasun | s.t. | | | 46 | Timothy Duggan | Team Saxo-Tinkoff | s.t. | | | 47 | Damien Gaudin | Team Europcar | s.t. | | | 48 | Jure Kocjan | Euskaltel Euskadi | s.t. | | | 49 | Adriano Malori | Lampre-Merida | s.t. | | | 50 | Timofey Kritskiy | Katusha Team | s.t. | | | 51 | Yannick Talabardon | Sojasun | s.t. | | | 52 | Sébastien Turgot | Team Europcar | s.t. | | | 53 | Ben Day | UnitedHealthcare Pro Cycling Team | s.t. | | | 54 | Bert Grabsch | Omega Pharma-Quick-Step Cycling Team | s.t. | | | 55 | Christian Knees | Sky Pro Cycling | s.t. | | | 56 | Xabier Zandio | Sky Pro Cycling | s.t. | | | 57 | Kristijan Durasek | Lampre-Merida | s.t. | | | 58 | Jeff Louder | UnitedHealthcare Pro Cycling Team | s.t. | | | 59 | Jeffry Johan Romero | Colombia | s.t. | | | 60 | Kevin De Weert | Omega Pharma-Quick-Step Cycling Team | s.t. | | | 61 | Teddy Deegan | Frisky Cycling Team | s.t. | sammyt93 | | 62 | Christopher Jones | UnitedHealthcare Pro Cycling Team | s.t. | | | 63 | Serge Pauwels | Omega Pharma-Quick-Step Cycling Team | s.t. | | | 64 | Steve Morabito | BMC Racing Team | s.t. | | | 65 | Jonas Aaen Jörgensen | Team Saxo-Tinkoff | s.t. | | | 66 | Alex Dowsett | Movistar Team | s.t. | | | 67 | Przemyslaw Niemiec | Lampre-Merida | s.t. | | | 68 | Kiel Reijnen | UnitedHealthcare Pro Cycling Team | s.t. | | | 69 | Mathias Frank | BMC Racing Team | s.t. | | | 70 | Youcef Reguigui | MTN-Qhubeka | s.t. | | | 71 | Martin Wesemann | MTN-Qhubeka | s.t. | | | 72 | Emanuele Sella | Androni Giocattoli | s.t. | | | 73 | Martin Velits | Omega Pharma-Quick-Step Cycling Team | s.t. | | | 74 | Freqalsi Debesay | MTN-Qhubeka | s.t. | | | 75 | Miguel Angel Rubiano | Androni Giocattoli | s.t. | | | 76 | Bradley Potgieter | MTN-Qhubeka | s.t. | | | 77 | Cyril Lemoine | Sojasun | s.t. | | | 78 | Mikel Landa | Euskaltel Euskadi | s.t. | | | 79 | Jesus Herrada | Movistar Team | s.t. | | | 80 | Sergio Paulinho | Team Saxo-Tinkoff | s.t. | | | 81 | Chris Anker Sørensen | Team Saxo-Tinkoff | s.t. | | | 82 | Benjamin Noval | Team Saxo-Tinkoff | s.t. | | | 83 | Angel Madrazo | Movistar Team | s.t. | | | 84 | Luke Rowe | Sky Pro Cycling | + 24'58 | | | 85 | Francesco Reda | Androni Giocattoli | s.t. | | | 86 | Ramon Carretero | Vini Fantini | + 25'24 | | | 87 | Edwin Avila | Colombia | s.t. | | | 88 | Rony Martias | Sojasun | s.t. | | | 89 | Fabio Taborre | Vini Fantini | s.t. |
Edited by sammyt93 on 21-06-2013 05:16
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| ThVoets |
Posted on 21-06-2013 06:04
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lluuiiggii wrote:
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Oh, and to finish things off, the game crashed between highlights/podium
I have that also and not only at P-R but after every race. So maybe it's a bug and will be fixed in a patch (at least I hope).
I was PCM Rulezz in a previous life
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 21-06-2013 06:05
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What difficulty is that sammy?
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| Simon_ |
Posted on 21-06-2013 07:23
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I know it can probably be fixed in a DB, but how on earth do they manage to get the dates wrong on so many races?
Tour of Poland, Eneco Tour, Vuelta a Espana being the most notably. |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 21-06-2013 07:26
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Great first impressions,great game! Will check it out a bit more today,but downloaded and installed,just awesome. 
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 21-06-2013 08:16
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valverde321 wrote:
Possible bug:
The db Editor doesn't seem to do anything. Tried making changes to the Realname dbs and the stats stayed the same even though it was a completely new cdb file.
Hmm I guess that's at your end. For my story I edited Gaudin to FDJ, Fisher to Europcar, edited a lot of stats and even made a new rider, it all worked perfectly.
When I edit stuff with the Fast Editor during the career, it works, too.
About the cobblestones, it seems cobbled races are screwed up this year? So far haven't heard much positive about it. When I played P - R it was a bit better, though, though I was pretty passive in the race |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-06-2013 08:24
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Simon_ wrote:
I know it can probably be fixed in a DB, but how on earth do they manage to get the dates wrong on so many races?
Tour of Poland, Eneco Tour, Vuelta a Espana being the most notably.
Because they're idiots. Getting the Vuelta date wrong ruins everything because it can't be changed to the correct one without breaking the game.
The preceding post is ISSO 9001 certified
"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| Elch |
Posted on 21-06-2013 08:56
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Looks good and shiny and those attacks on hilly stages are just great. Still two things that bother me atm.
1) Staff is still not calculated into your budget playing a Custom team.
2) Played some .2 and .1 races up to mid April so far and did not receive prize money in any of them
-> Career so far not playable with Custom teams (at least if you don't change your budget via editor) |
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 21-06-2013 08:56
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Played through RVV last night as was mentioned earlier by Cio. I can confirm that the behaviour of the riders in the last 20k was a bit shady. For some part, I can understand that the leading group of four riders goes slowly in the last part, as they would often normally in a breakaway sprint finish.
However, they were doing it for too long indeed, and it does seem like the group in the rear did the same thing, eventually causing a very large (and slow) chase group with a large gap to the favourites group. All in all, the result was that the riders were grouped together way too much, instead of being split up and fragmented.
At all the people pointing out flaws, I suggest we put everything together in one list, prioritize them, and then send the list to Cyanide ASAP so they can include the top things in a patch. |
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