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Armstrong stops fighting doping charges - USADA wants him banned and stripped for titles
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-10-2012 22:19
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-10-2012 22:28
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Alesle wrote:
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lluuiiggii wrote:
knasen wrote:
Do anybody know any races in Spain 2000 that both Hincapie and Armstrong raced in?
Well, from the top ones (what would currently be WT), both took part in San Sebastian. No idea on the rest.
https://autobus.cyclingnews.com/result...main.shtml
I checked the startlists of the others, that's the only one
Why, what happened there in 2000?
They both rode Vuelta a Burgos as well
https://autobus.cy...os00.shtml
And others too, but San Sebastián is the only one Armstrong abandoned. My fault for not making it clearer 
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Kind of now screws Sky's no doping policy with Barry now admitting his doping history
only now?
This. Barry was suspicious for a shedload of time. Hiring him was high hipocrisy.
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I liked the part saying Ferrari instructed Armstrong and other customers to go train in Saint-Moritz or Tenerife to produce more natural EPO and cover up the usage of artificial one.
Those places are associated with some more riders names in my mind, but maybe I'm just abusively connecting the dots ?
Abusively connecting the dots
Not really. There's a reason almost all the doping doctors are regularly spotted at those two places and have houses there
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| cio93 |
Posted on 10-10-2012 22:29
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Hehe. LA's lawyers being ridiculous as ever.
Tim Herman:
“This reasoned decision will be a farce, written by USADA with the significant assistance of lawyers from one of Big Tobacco’s favorite law firms at a time when Lance Armstrong is one of America’s leading anti-tobacco advocates...”
https://velonews.competitor.com/2012/1...cco_256518
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| knasen |
Posted on 10-10-2012 22:38
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June 29, 2009 To LA: “just spoke with Schumi about this. . . it’s good, the numbers are
1714m/h which is equal to 5.93 w/kg on that gradient (8.9%). . . . that’s good numbers!”
June 30, 2009 From LA to Michele Ferrari “Question is how good? What do we need to win the TdF??”
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 10-10-2012 22:52
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Nothing from Lance's twitter since the announcement, and no press release.
I give it a 36 hour clock, which we're already a fair bit into. If nothing strong comes out by the end of the day Thursday, he's going to do a tell all sooner rather than later. Friday is the day you release stuff to get it buried, and he can't wait a weekend. My guess is he'll cut his losses, admit it, and reference Livestrong at least 100+ times in the interview.
It'll probably have to be ESPN, unless he wants to throw Ligget a bone for all the unconditional support ( ). So probably Outside The Lines, or the Sunday Conversation on SportsCenter....This could be fascinating. |
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| KayZeroX |
Posted on 10-10-2012 22:57
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LOL
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70% of this community has no faith in cycling. SHAME ON YOU !
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i've read the whole (USADA) thing now.....it's repeating itself over and over again.
It's like a bible, containing stories of people who can not be trusted.
There are a couple of things that speak against everything that is said.
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If Armstrong used doping in his TDF victories, how is it possible that he returns to the sport couple of years later (being a much older man) finnishing 3rd in the 2009 TDF ?
Using USADA logic >> Compare to his TDF victories, in 09 he did not use doping , he was much older then his competition, Astana was not even close to the supremacy of Motorola. It's simple mathematics to see he should not (using USADA logic) be able to compete with the top 25 of the 09 TDF. Using USADA logic, it should not have been possible for Armstrong to finnish 3rd in the TDF 09. If the difference in performance would be so small that a couple of years later Armstrong was able to almost repeat his performance, why would he risk this? Did Armstrong have something to lose?
((((Maybe a bet in a Las Vegas casino or something - this is the only thing i could come up with. Maybe he told somebody, i'm not gonna be 2nd or 3rd, i'll be first. And inorder to do so he used doping, just to make sure he did win it. < wracking BS ! ))))
Only a true champion would return and show the world that (again) without doping he would still be the number one. And he almost did, well in my eyes a 3rd place in a TDF is a respectfull rank. It shows you can compete for the overall victory. And it all makes sence, Armstrong is a little older, was out of competitive cycling for couple of years, his team was not the strongest in the TDF 09 edition. 3rd was probably highest possible ranking for him.
<<This alone should be prove Lance Armstrong never used doping.
People can also say: Maybe Armstrong never had any competition in the years he won the TDF. Just look at who he was up against. Those riders are all not complete riders. Even if they would as good as Armstrong in the mountains, they would still lose all those TDF's in the TT's.
Exception is Jan Ullrich, but offcourse he's an east-German project, and he was caught using doping and he did admit it. An east German cycler riding with the best in the high mountains of the TDF. LOL Not possible ! (yeah maybe if what happend to Armstrong happend to Jan, but that's a big if, concidering how lucky Armstrong was surviving that illness.)
P.s. I can't believe how many times they repeat "Armstrong was never known for his climbing capabilities"
Whoever wrote that crap, please read some books of Armstrong on how he evolved to being a moutain goat, and check the history of all Armstrong achievements to see confirmation of his step by step evolution in the mountain. (not to mention the tranformation his body made after his illness)
P.S. number 2 : Tyler Hamilton should see a shrink. + What's his name....euhhhh Floyd Landis.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 10-10-2012 23:01
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I could point out the countless false statements and assumptions in your post, but I'm sure someone more eloquent and awake will do so shortly.
-> isso? Aquarius?
Still, thanks for the laugh.
Edited by cio93 on 10-10-2012 23:04
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-10-2012 23:01
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@kay
so how do you explain the fact he beat convicted dopers?
how do you explain the failed tests?
how do you explain hes teammates confessing?
etc. etc.
plus all the obvious dumb points above
i guess we are all waiting on isso to get into this
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| kolnierz |
Posted on 10-10-2012 23:01
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I beat my breasts about defending Armstrong.
But still, I'm reading all those facts and cannot understand, why are they chasing Armstrong so dogged? If all of other riders from that time was doping, why they obstinately destroy only him? Only becouse others admits? It is realy weak argument. Admitting 10 or 5 years after the whole dealings is the same morality as Armstrong not admitting at all (not only becouse he also ended his career), I belive. |
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 10-10-2012 23:03
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KayZeroX wrote:
Exception is Jan Ullrich, but offcourse he's an east-German project, and he was caught using doping and he did admit it. An east German cycler riding with the best in the high mountains of the TDF. LOL Not possible !
LOL on this
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Posted on 10-10-2012 23:04
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kolnierz wrote:
I beat my breasts about defending Armstrong.
But still, I'm reading all those facts and cannot understand, why are they chasing Armstrong so dogged? If all of other riders from that time was doping, why they obstinately destroy only him? Only becouse others admits? It is realy weak argument. Admitting 10 or 5 years after the whole dealings is the same morality as Armstrong not admitting at all (not only becouse he also ended his career), I belive.
You are not reading correctly. LA didn't dope, he WAS the doping in USPS, affecting many others in an everything but positive way. That's to say the least.
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| KayZeroX |
Posted on 10-10-2012 23:07
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tsmoha wrote:
LOL on this
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| Alesle |
Posted on 10-10-2012 23:09
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kolnierz wrote:
I beat my breasts about defending Armstrong.
But still, I'm reading all those facts and cannot understand, why are they chasing Armstrong so dogged? If all of other riders from that time was doping, why they obstinately destroy only him? Only becouse others admits? It is realy weak argument. Admitting 10 or 5 years after the whole dealings is the same morality as Armstrong not admitting at all (not only becouse he also ended his career), I belive.
Armstrong was the only rider refusing to co-operate with the USADA authorithies. All the other approached USPS riders admitted to their own doping and testified towards the doping within the rest of the team, and consequently recieved 6 month doping bans for it.
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 10-10-2012 23:13
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kolnierz wrote:
I beat my breasts about defending Armstrong.
But still, I'm reading all those facts and cannot understand, why are they chasing Armstrong so dogged? If all of other riders from that time was doping, why they obstinately destroy only him? Only becouse others admits? It is realy weak argument. Admitting 10 or 5 years after the whole dealings is the same morality as Armstrong not admitting at all (not only becouse he also ended his career), I belive.
In my view, the thing is, Armstrong made a lot of enemies. From Mike Andersen to Betsy Andreu, these people were always trying to bring back the case. And the more denial there is, the more they'll want to end his lie. At least that's what I think.
KayZeroX wrote:
P.s. I can't believe how many times they repeat "Armstrong was never known for his climbing capabilities"
Whoever wrote that crap, please read some books of Armstrong on how he evolved to being a moutain goat, and check the history of all Armstrong achievements to see confirmation of his step by step evolution in the mountain. (not to mention the tranformation his body made after his illness)
You mean this is Armstrong?
Seriously though, I can understand why people would defend Armstrong when they don't know of the facts. But if you've really read the 200 pages and still is sided so strongly for Armstrong, dude, nothing can help you. Although even bblover "converted" himself, so I believe there's chance for everybody
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| CLURPR |
Posted on 10-10-2012 23:22
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After reading this report, Tyler Hamilton's book and a few other books on Landis and the other guys accounts. He has had multiple witnesses to his doping, who stories all corroborate with each other. It is ridiculous for Armstrong to even think he has got anything to defend himself with. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-10-2012 23:26
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@ Kay
1. So unless Armstrong is the ultimate human, surely he mus be doped to beat (usually at least) 3 others who were doping
2. I thought it was WADA who did the tests. And that was because a test for EPO was only uncovered fairly recently.
Corrupt? please explain. Witchhunt i can understand
3. Its not just george. If 6 riders put their current carrers on the line, i doubt they were lying. Plus the other riders who have retired, plus the staff. 1 vs at least 11... I'm gonna go with the 11, even if one is a dick and another a twat (Hamilton and Landis)
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| CLURPR |
Posted on 10-10-2012 23:26
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KayZeroX wrote:
Failed tests ? You mean the negative tests that suddenly turn out positive (from whoever they were!) after many years.
In this case you either believe the USADA those tests are legit - or like me , you do not believe a single word USADA has to say. Because like many other people allready mentioned, this looks like an corrupt witchhunt.
How do you explain his positive cortisone test in 1999? His 2001 positive EPO test at the Tour de Suisse which he allegedly bribed the UCI? There is also the fact that in the report released today, samples from the 1999-2005 tours were tested and Armstrong's samples contained traces of EPO.
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Posted on 10-10-2012 23:27
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Nothing from Lance's twitter since the announcement, and no press release.
I give it a 36 hour clock, which we're already a fair bit into. If nothing strong comes out by the end of the day Thursday, he's going to do a tell all sooner rather than later. Friday is the day you release stuff to get it buried, and he can't wait a weekend. My guess is he'll cut his losses, admit it, and reference Livestrong at least 100+ times in the interview.
It'll probably have to be ESPN, unless he wants to throw Ligget a bone for all the unconditional support ( ). So probably Outside The Lines, or the Sunday Conversation on SportsCenter....This could be fascinating.
He'll never admit it.
His is a unique mindset. Being better than others is the only thing he has to live for. As a close friend of his once said: "Some people get their enjoyment from competing. Others get it from winning. Lance gets neither of those, he gets all his enjoyment from rubbing in people's faces that he beat them" (there's a reason why his psych evaluation for the triathlon junior team in 1989 uses the phrase "sociopathic tendencies" ).
If he admits he cheated, he has nothing left. In the very unlikely event he does that, I would very seriously put him on suicide watch.
Edited by issoisso on 10-10-2012 23:27
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-10-2012 23:32
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KayZeroX wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote: (<copy and paste that name)
Seriously though, I can understand why people would defend Armstrong when they don't know of the facts. But if you've really read the 200 pages and still is sided so strongly for Armstrong, dude, nothing can help you.
Looks like you do not know the facts.....but that's understandable for somebody that has no cycling roots...
I love most of your posts helping people with the PCM game tough, better stick to something you're good at my friend from Brasil.
oh no..... please say that was a joke...
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| cio93 |
Posted on 10-10-2012 23:32
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KayZeroX wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote: (<copy and paste that name)
Seriously though, I can understand why people would defend Armstrong when they don't know of the facts. But if you've really read the 200 pages and still is sided so strongly for Armstrong, dude, nothing can help you.
Looks like you do not know the facts.....but that's understandable for somebody that has no cycling roots...
I love most of your posts helping people with the PCM game tough, better stick to something you're good at my friend from Brasil.
No need to get personal on both sides.
Still, good luck with defending your view here.
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