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Sky Doping/Hate Thread
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 11-07-2012 11:50
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Teddy The Creator wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Look at how Wiggins body looks, how this skeleton can be the overwhelming best time-trialist? 
He does look thin there, but who's that guy on the left? 
Nobody important, some tool nobody likes.
Edited by Eden95 on 11-07-2012 11:51
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| CLURPR |
Posted on 11-07-2012 11:56
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Eden95 wrote:
Teddy The Creator wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Look at how Wiggins body looks, how this skeleton can be the overwhelming best time-trialist?
He does look thin there, but who's that guy on the left?
Nobody important, some tool nobody likes.
Apart from most of the United Kingdom |
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| climeon |
Posted on 11-07-2012 12:12
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Interesting article with Paul Kimmage https://www.velonation.com/News/ID/123...rency.aspx, talks about his disappointment with Sky's lack of transparency and hiring of Geert Leinders, also says he was due to follow Sky throughout the 2010, but was stopped a day before when Wiggins objected to it
Edited by AaB-ern on 11-07-2012 13:21
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| jph27 |
Posted on 11-07-2012 12:14
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climeon wrote:
Interesting article with Paul Kimmage https://www.velona...ency.aspx, talks about his disappointment with Sky's lack of transparency and hiring of Geert Leinders, also says he was due to follow Sky throughout the 2010, but was stopped a day before when Wiggins objected to it
Understandable. Kimmage is still a swear word in some parts of the peloton. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 11-07-2012 12:23
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https://www.lemond..._3242.html
If you can read French, do read this by Antoine Vayer (with the calculations of Frédéric Portoleau). It's too long for translating, and full of metaphors about politics, hybrid sportscars, etc. Nonetheless, it's extremely interesting.
They're calculating Watts (on the 70+8 kg pattern), and have come to the conclusion that Wiggins did 465 W on the short climb during the time trial, Froome more than 465 on La Planche, while Wiggins and Evans averaged a little less. Same thing Sunday, when for a short while a bunch of 10 riders climbed insanely fast.
They're expecting figures around 430 W in actual mountains. They're calling that figure a heavenly miracle (and also tackle Armstrong's 450).
They also mention a couple of doping products I didn't have in mind (any more), such as TB 500. Google it.
edit : I'll translate it later today, if I find time.
Edited by Aquarius on 11-07-2012 12:27
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| kumazan |
Posted on 11-07-2012 12:26
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So is Kimmage a fucking wanker and a cunt, or as he's talking openly, and not hidding under a pseudonym he's ok? If a journalist around there had a backbone he'd ask this to Wiggins.
Edit: TB 500 is that drug for horses Vansevenant ordered for "personal use" right?
Edited by kumazan on 11-07-2012 12:29
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 11-07-2012 12:42
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climeon wrote:
Interesting article with Paul Kimmage https://www.velona...ency.aspx, talks about his disappointment with Sky's lack of transparency and hiring of Geert Leinders, also says he was due to follow Sky throughout the 2010, but was stopped a day before when Wiggins objected to it
File removed it says 
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| kumazan |
Posted on 11-07-2012 12:43
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
climeon wrote:
Interesting article with Paul Kimmage https://www.velona...ency.aspx, talks about his disappointment with Sky's lack of transparency and hiring of Geert Leinders, also says he was due to follow Sky throughout the 2010, but was stopped a day before when Wiggins objected to it
File removed it says
Remove the "," at the end.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 11-07-2012 12:43
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https://www.velonation.com/News/ID/123...rency.aspx |
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| pieterv |
Posted on 11-07-2012 12:50
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Teddy The Creator wrote:
So you can explain how Chris Froome went from an average domestique who's best performance was in some random African race, to best climber in the Tour? His story is almost identical to Armstrong's in terms of excuses from fanboys.
And Ian, you're not one to talk about making pointless threads.
he was 2nd in last years vuelta... |
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| CLURPR |
Posted on 11-07-2012 13:12
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sutty68 wrote:
CLURPR wrote:
Eden95 wrote:
Teddy The Creator wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Look at how Wiggins body looks, how this skeleton can be the overwhelming best time-trialist?
He does look thin there, but who's that guy on the left?
Nobody important, some tool nobody likes.
Apart from most of the United Kingdom
And misrable f*****g aussie' s 
CountArach loves this guy |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 11-07-2012 13:18
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CLURPR wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
CLURPR wrote:
Eden95 wrote:
Teddy The Creator wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Look at how Wiggins body looks, how this skeleton can be the overwhelming best time-trialist?
He does look thin there, but who's that guy on the left?
Nobody important, some tool nobody likes.
Apart from most of the United Kingdom
And misrable f*****g aussie' s
CountArach loves this guy
CountArach excluded (Just getting annoyed now, with all the shit he is getting for being good) |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 11-07-2012 13:19
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Don't quote posts that are just above your own. No need to. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 11-07-2012 13:21
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Sutty just tell me how do you thing that it is possible for someone with this body to beat such a muscle-beast as Cancellara by almost a minute on 40 kms? Hard training right? Because Cancellara is not training at all 
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 11-07-2012 13:24
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Brad has been an awesome time trialler on and off the road all his life, so it came as no suprise to me at all. Just because he beat Cancellara doesn't mean he should become an accused drug cheater |
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| Teddy The Creator |
Posted on 11-07-2012 13:30
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pieterv wrote:
Teddy The Creator wrote:
So you can explain how Chris Froome went from an average domestique who's best performance was in some random African race, to best climber in the Tour? His story is almost identical to Armstrong's in terms of excuses from fanboys.
And Ian, you're not one to talk about making pointless threads.
he was 2nd in last years vuelta...
Of course I know that, I mean before last season.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 11-07-2012 13:31
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sutty68 wrote:
Brad has been an awesome time trialler on and off the road all his life, so it came as no suprise to me at all. Just because he beat Cancellara doesn't mean he should become an accused drug cheater
I am not saying he should be because of that, i am just raising doubts about how someone can drastically lower his weight and thus improve in mountains and in the same time improve so much in TT. You know, we see on many riders how they either improve in TT but got a bit worse in mountains or vise-versa but the last two riders that were able to improve during the time in both disciplines simultaneously were Armstrong and Contador. I hope you know their history...
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 11-07-2012 13:32
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 11-07-2012 13:33
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Bradley Wiggins was one of the best Olympians between 2000 and 2008. After Bejing, he started focusing on the road and immediately became 4th in Tour de France. No Argueing about his talents.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 11-07-2012 13:37
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Brad has been an awesome time trialler on and off the road all his life, so it came as no suprise to me at all. Just because he beat Cancellara doesn't mean he should become an accused drug cheater
I am not saying he should be because of that, i am just raising doubts about how someone can drastically lower his weight and thus improve in mountains and in the same time improve so much in TT. You know, we see on many riders how they either improve in TT but got a bit worse in mountains or vise-versa but the last two riders that were able to improve during the time in both disciplines simultaneously were Armstrong and Contador. I hope you know their history...
Totally agree with what you are saying
But he has never been a person with a lot of weight anyway and i must admit he looks totally unhealthy after losing more weight again. As for his climbing improvement, he has been up most of this years climbs already during the close season doing re-cons so maybe all that has helped (but dont quote me on that) |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 11-07-2012 13:45
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But he was heavier. As a track rider, he needed to be. Beating Spartacus is no small feat remember. Has anyone seen Froome in the TT? He looked like some kind of mutated wasp on the bike, not good for time trials.
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