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TdF'13 Stage 16 - Vaison-la-Romaine to Gap (July 16)
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| fickman |
Posted on 16-07-2013 21:07
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issoisso wrote:
Changing the topic a bit: Moreno Moser is at the Tour.
Hands up anyone who saw him so far. Anyone? No one?
After an amazing 2012 and a good start 2013 he has disappeared..... Maybe aiming agian for Pologne or the second part of the season????
Edited by fickman on 16-07-2013 21:08
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| Selwink |
Posted on 16-07-2013 21:08
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issoisso wrote:
Changing the topic a bit: Moreno Moser is at the Tour.
Hands up anyone who saw him so far. Anyone? No one?
Wasn't he in the attack somewhere in week 1? I may very well be wrong though
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 16-07-2013 21:10
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Moser still lacks the big engine to compete in the big races. Same problem in the Ardennes
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| arthon |
Posted on 16-07-2013 21:12
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issoisso wrote:
Changing the topic a bit: Moreno Moser is at the Tour.
Hands up anyone who saw him so far. Anyone? No one?
Yep, I saw him in the velogames starting list. (and picked him, of course) |
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| Cossack |
Posted on 16-07-2013 21:13
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I think he was a leadout for Sagan in one of the first stages. |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 16-07-2013 21:16
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issoisso wrote:
Changing the topic a bit: Moreno Moser is at the Tour.
Hands up anyone who saw him so far. Anyone? No one?
Wins the invisibility award hands down. Apart from the second stage, hasn't placed in the top 100 of any stage 
Second place in the invisibility award goes to Gasparotto methinks. Didn't know he was taking part until I scrolled through the GC to find some invisible riders.
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| ruben |
Posted on 16-07-2013 21:18
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Spilak23 wrote:
The great Fuglsang went wrong on the same roundabout at the foot of the climb Kadri missed aswell. He was around 100 position after that and didn't make it back to the front when Katusha started pacing. (he was clearly the strongest in that second group leading together with Gesink)
Still looking good for him, he should be able to overtake Ten Dam into 7th
i have turned into a fan of him btw
Hmm, he still has to make up quite some time and Ten Dam and he hasn't looked significantly stronger then Ten Dam in any serious mountain stage.
And don't come with those 13 seconds on Ventoux because there Ten Dam did most the work.
Ofcourse it could be possible, because Ten dam isn't exactly consistent, but still unlikely |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 16-07-2013 21:18
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Stromeon wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Changing the topic a bit: Moreno Moser is at the Tour.
Hands up anyone who saw him so far. Anyone? No one?
Wins the invisibility award hands down. Apart from the second stage, hasn't placed in the top 100 of any stage
Second place in the invisibility award goes to Gasparotto methinks. Didn't know he was taking part until I scrolled through the GC to find some invisible riders.
nahhh I saw him drop out of the peleton some stages.
I think Nordhaug is really invisible aswell, expected him to be in some breakaways at least... |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 16-07-2013 21:20
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TimoCycling wrote:
Stromeon wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Changing the topic a bit: Moreno Moser is at the Tour.
Hands up anyone who saw him so far. Anyone? No one?
Wins the invisibility award hands down. Apart from the second stage, hasn't placed in the top 100 of any stage
Second place in the invisibility award goes to Gasparotto methinks. Didn't know he was taking part until I scrolled through the GC to find some invisible riders.
nahhh I saw him drop out of the peleton some stages .
I think Nordhaug is really invisible aswell, expected him to be in some breakaways at least...
He did attack in one of the earlier stages, but apart from that we haven't seen much of him. |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 17-07-2013 00:36
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Just watching the highlights back - I thought Fuglsang was badly positioned when Katusha hit the front on the last climb but actually looks like he was there (though all I can say for sure is it's an Astana rider given the unclear shot but fairly sure it wouldn't be anyone else in the team?) for the initial selection of around 10 riders then disappears when they cut back from the stage leaders a km down the road.
So apparently he was dropped on the climb as Saxo turned it up, for what it's worth for the rest of the race.
Edited by ianrussell on 17-07-2013 00:38
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 17-07-2013 00:55
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ruben wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
The great Fuglsang went wrong on the same roundabout at the foot of the climb Kadri missed aswell. He was around 100 position after that and didn't make it back to the front when Katusha started pacing. (he was clearly the strongest in that second group leading together with Gesink)
Still looking good for him, he should be able to overtake Ten Dam into 7th
i have turned into a fan of him btw
Hmm, he still has to make up quite some time and Ten Dam and he hasn't looked significantly stronger then Ten Dam in any serious mountain stage.
And don't come with those 13 seconds on Ventoux because there Ten Dam did most the work.
Ofcourse it could be possible, because Ten dam isn't exactly consistent, but still unlikely
Unlikely that Fuglsang end higher in the GC than Ten Dam?... not exactly, I think. Pretty sure that he will be at least 7 in Paris and i dont think that Ten Dam can keep those perfermences up. That would almost be too good to be true |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 17-07-2013 01:03
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Riis123 wrote:
ruben wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
The great Fuglsang went wrong on the same roundabout at the foot of the climb Kadri missed aswell. He was around 100 position after that and didn't make it back to the front when Katusha started pacing. (he was clearly the strongest in that second group leading together with Gesink)
Still looking good for him, he should be able to overtake Ten Dam into 7th
i have turned into a fan of him btw
Hmm, he still has to make up quite some time and Ten Dam and he hasn't looked significantly stronger then Ten Dam in any serious mountain stage.
And don't come with those 13 seconds on Ventoux because there Ten Dam did most the work.
Ofcourse it could be possible, because Ten dam isn't exactly consistent, but still unlikely
Unlikely that Fuglsang end higher in the GC than Ten Dam?... not exactly, I think. Pretty sure that he will be at least 7 in Paris and i dont think that Ten Dam can keep those perfermences up. That would almost be too good to be true
You do realize that Ten Dam's performances in GTs so far are better than Fuglsang's, don't you?
Edited by alexkr00 on 17-07-2013 01:03
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 17-07-2013 08:53
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Roman wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Random thought: Apparently heavy showers predicted for the Alpe stage. With that descent of the Sarenne it wouldn't shock me if Froome crashed out of the Tour there
Random thought: Kreuziger is fighting for the overall win right now then.
Even if that happened (i dont want injury for Froome but some little 10min delaying jump to the valley would be nice), Kreuziger would have to serve the win to Alberto on golden plate. 
Nice stage that was, just seen the replay of last hour. Good for us Saxo fans, that Ten Dam was distanced, Mollema held on, he is a fighter and should gain time today, battle for 2-5 will be great, with expected Quintana storming.
Congrats to Rui, deserved win. And i was right with Voeckler, not going anywhere this year.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 17-07-2013 09:00
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Alakagom wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
If Quintana goes to Giro next year, he has a very good chance already. Nibali and Froome are the only climbers that can challenge him and both will be at the Tour. Rest shouldn't matter.
The only real threat will be Porte I guess, could be a great fight between them.
You forget Rodriguez and Contador
Because you can be 100% sure that next year Contador and Rodriguez will go for either Giro and Vuelta or just one of them.
However Contador isn't going be much better than this. While Quintana will very likely improve another level by next year, so I'd actually rate Quintana above Contador if they came head to head in a GT next year.
As well against Rodriguez, he always has a bad day somewhere, worse TT than Quintana imo, plus his pathetic 1km attacks aren't enough to ever win a GT.
I would not be so sure he will improve again his climbing. if he will, he will be as fast as Froome,hence faster than Armstrong. I am not sure if that is what i want to see.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 17-07-2013 09:05
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issoisso wrote:
Changing the topic a bit: Moreno Moser is at the Tour.
Hands up anyone who saw him so far. Anyone? No one?
I did, on stage 2 or 3 where he was last man to help Sagan. I thought he left the Tour that day though, very disappointing from him.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 17-07-2013 09:06
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Spoiler Alakagom wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
If Quintana goes to Giro next year, he has a very good chance already. Nibali and Froome are the only climbers that can challenge him and both will be at the Tour. Rest shouldn't matter.
The only real threat will be Porte I guess, could be a great fight between them.
You forget Rodriguez and Contador
Because you can be 100% sure that next year Contador and Rodriguez will go for either Giro and Vuelta or just one of them.
However Contador isn't going be much better than this. While Quintana will very likely improve another level by next year, so I'd actually rate Quintana above Contador if they came head to head in a GT next year.
As well against Rodriguez, he always has a bad day somewhere, worse TT than Quintana imo, plus his pathetic 1km attacks aren't enough to ever win a GT.
I would not be so sure he will improve again his climbing. if he will, he will be as fast as Froome,hence faster than Armstrong. I am not sure if that is what i want to see.
Well, the thing you must keep in mind is that times do change. Equipment gets better, training gets better, food gets better. I'm sure they will ride faster than Armstrong in less than ten years time, without doping.
I'd use Sky as an argument if not everybody thought they were on doping but you know what I mean, right? They take training to another level and compared to BMC, they would climb Ventoux minuets faster because of their specific training etc. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 17-07-2013 09:10
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Ian Butler wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Spoiler Alakagom wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
If Quintana goes to Giro next year, he has a very good chance already. Nibali and Froome are the only climbers that can challenge him and both will be at the Tour. Rest shouldn't matter.
The only real threat will be Porte I guess, could be a great fight between them.
You forget Rodriguez and Contador
Because you can be 100% sure that next year Contador and Rodriguez will go for either Giro and Vuelta or just one of them.
However Contador isn't going be much better than this. While Quintana will very likely improve another level by next year, so I'd actually rate Quintana above Contador if they came head to head in a GT next year.
As well against Rodriguez, he always has a bad day somewhere, worse TT than Quintana imo, plus his pathetic 1km attacks aren't enough to ever win a GT.
I would not be so sure he will improve again his climbing. if he will, he will be as fast as Froome,hence faster than Armstrong. I am not sure if that is what i want to see.
Well, the thing you must keep in mind is that times do change. Equipment gets better, training gets better, food gets better. I'm sure they will ride faster than Armstrong in less than ten years time, without doping.
I'd use Sky as an argument if not everybody thought they were on doping but you know what I mean, right? They take training to another level and compared to BMC, they would climb Ventoux minuets faster because of their specific training etc.
Sorry Ian, but this is nonsense. Training is the same and equipment does not matter at all in riding uphill, only the bike weight, which is the same i believe.
Edit: Not sure if it was sarcasm from you, or not. 
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 17-07-2013 09:11
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 17-07-2013 09:19
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Training is not the same. It continues to change for the better, ask any team leader/manager/DS...
In EPO time, you didn't even need training. You just took EPO and that was your training.
Also equipment does change for the better, uphill it's a matter of weight, but even that rule will change. But look at Froome's gear thing, not O-shaped. Things still change.
Food and energy consumption changes. Sky probably knows perfectly how the human body functions and provides food and hydration at the perfect moments. Not too much, not too little. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 17-07-2013 09:24
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In EPO time, you didn't even need training. You just took EPO and that was your training.
You still needed to train. Training is how Armstrong beated Ullrich 5 times.
Also equipment does change for the better, uphill it's a matter of weight, but even that rule will change. But look at Froome's gear thing, not O-shaped. Things still change.
Vino, Julich already used that at the start of the 2000's. Difference is almost neglectable
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 17-07-2013 09:45
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Spilak23 wrote:
In EPO time, you didn't even need training. You just took EPO and that was your training.
You still needed to train. Training is how Armstrong beated Ullrich 5 times.
Also equipment does change for the better, uphill it's a matter of weight, but even that rule will change. But look at Froome's gear thing, not O-shaped. Things still change.
Vino, Julich already used that at the start of the 2000's. Difference is almost neglectable
Do you really believe everything is exactly like 10 years ago?
Then I can't discuss this with you.
People also trained in the 60s. I wouldn't recommend their training methods now. Methods get better and more scientific. Sky is the most professional at this. For their bikes, they look into other sports to get the most out of aerodynamics. Once again, Armstrong just needed his daily dose of *PCM*, then who cared about getting every percentage out of training and his bike.
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