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| issoisso |
Posted on 14-06-2012 04:08
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jseadog1 wrote:
What sort of "hole" is he digging himself into? This isn't a game or competition and nobody cares if he is right or wrong.. its all OPINIONS
No, he's stating what he claims are facts. And I'm correcting him with actual facts.
Re-read the whole discussion. I haven't stated any opinions so far. Just facts.
And if it were really true that nobody cares if he's right or wrong, you wouldn't have posted 
Edited by issoisso on 14-06-2012 04:09
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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I'm going to be the bigger man and end this arguement right now.
No w can we please talk about news in June of 2012 and not of news from years ago?
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issoisso wrote:
He went from a guy who could do well in classics and win from breakaways and lost several minutes in each time trial and half an hour in each mountain stage, to a guy who won almost every mountain stage and time trial.
Please do not crucify me if I say some kind of shit, but wasn't Armstrong at least considerable in TTs (he finished 6th in the Olympics TT in 96, and 19th in a Tour TT in 95)? And also he seems to have finished 36th in the 95 Tour, so not really one of the worse climbers of the peloton? But nevertheless his "transformation" post-cancer was obviously 'ridiculous' to a point (or, as some would call here, amazing/miracle).
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Posted on 14-06-2012 04:11
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chris01 wrote:
I'm going to be the bigger man and end this arguement right now.
No w can we please talk about news in June of 2012 and not of news from years ago?
Translation
"After 6 posts I have still failed to post any kind of logical argument, and all my resorting to personal attacks on other people have been rebuffed by verifiable facts. Please leave me alone"
I'll leave you alone. If you ever find an argument or a fact to support your cause, you know where to find me.
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Posted on 14-06-2012 04:11
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issoisso wrote:
jseadog1 wrote:
What sort of "hole" is he digging himself into? This isn't a game or competition and nobody cares if he is right or wrong.. its all OPINIONS
No, he's stating what he claims are facts. And I'm correcting him with actual facts.
Re-read the whole discussion. I haven't stated any opinions so far. Just facts.
And if it were really true that nobody cares if he's right or wrong, you wouldn't have posted
Not exactly what I meant.. but ok
chris01 wrote:
I'm going to be the bigger man and end this arguement right now.
No w can we please talk about news in June of 2012 and not of news from years ago?
I agree but... this is news of June 2012 as it was just brought about today of him being charged
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Posted on 14-06-2012 04:12
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issoisso wrote:
chris01 wrote:
I'm going to be the bigger man and end this arguement right now.
No w can we please talk about news in June of 2012 and not of news from years ago?
Translation
"After 6 posts I have still failed to post any kind of logical argument, and all my resorting to personal attacks on other people have been rebuffed by verifiable facts. Please leave me alone"
I'll leave you alone. If you ever find an argument or a fact to support your cause, you know where to find me.
Your just pouring fuel into the fire now.. he said to change the subject
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Posted on 14-06-2012 04:13
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jseadog1 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
jseadog1 wrote:
What sort of "hole" is he digging himself into? This isn't a game or competition and nobody cares if he is right or wrong.. its all OPINIONS
No, he's stating what he claims are facts. And I'm correcting him with actual facts.
Re-read the whole discussion. I haven't stated any opinions so far. Just facts.
And if it were really true that nobody cares if he's right or wrong, you wouldn't have posted
Not exactly what I meant.. but ok
chris01 wrote:
I'm going to be the bigger man and end this arguement right now.
No w can we please talk about news in June of 2012 and not of news from years ago?
I agree but... this is news of June 2012 as it was just brought about today of him being charged
But people talking about Lance doping has gone on for years and that is all we are talking about.
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Posted on 14-06-2012 04:14
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chris01 wrote:
jseadog1 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
jseadog1 wrote:
What sort of "hole" is he digging himself into? This isn't a game or competition and nobody cares if he is right or wrong.. its all OPINIONS
No, he's stating what he claims are facts. And I'm correcting him with actual facts.
Re-read the whole discussion. I haven't stated any opinions so far. Just facts.
And if it were really true that nobody cares if he's right or wrong, you wouldn't have posted
Not exactly what I meant.. but ok
chris01 wrote:
I'm going to be the bigger man and end this arguement right now.
No w can we please talk about news in June of 2012 and not of news from years ago?
I agree but... this is news of June 2012 as it was just brought about today of him being charged
But people talking about Lance doping has gone on for years and that is all we are talking about.
Is there anything else in June worth talking about
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Posted on 14-06-2012 04:14
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issoisso wrote:
chris01 wrote:
I'm going to be the bigger man and end this arguement right now.
No w can we please talk about news in June of 2012 and not of news from years ago?
Translation
"After 6 posts I have still failed to post any kind of logical argument, and all my resorting to personal attacks on other people have been rebuffed by verifiable facts. Please leave me alone"
I'll leave you alone. If you ever find an argument or a fact to support your cause, you know where to find me.
Ok don't call me ignorant but what is the evidence that Lance doped?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 14-06-2012 04:17
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lluuiiggii wrote:
issoisso wrote:
He went from a guy who could do well in classics and win from breakaways and lost several minutes in each time trial and half an hour in each mountain stage, to a guy who won almost every mountain stage and time trial.
Please do not crucify me if I say some kind of shit, but wasn't Armstrong at least considerable in TTs (he finished 6th in the Olympics TT in 96, and 19th in a Tour TT in 95)? And also he seems to have finished 36th in the 95 Tour, so not really one of the worse climbers of the peloton? But nevertheless his "transformation" post-cancer was obviously 'ridiculous' to a point (or, as some would call here, amazing/miracle).
You are right, he did have all those results 
The 36th in the Tour is due to several breakaways he got in, including the break where he won the stage in honor of Casartelli. I didn't say he was one of the worse climbers, he was just never a climber.
The Olympics TT he rode early before the other contenders rode and the wind changed so he had that advantage. His result was considered very surprising given his TT abilities (I have the TT on this PC, it's on cyclingtorrents.nl somewhere if you want to download it). I don't know if he finished 6th or 10 or whatever, but if you say so I believe you. I just remember the commentators amazed at the result
To point to his TT skills, I'd point to the 1994 Tour where he states in an interview before the stage that his goal is to not be caught by Induráin who starts 2 minutes after him. He was caught after just 12kms and lost many minutes. He was a decent TTer, but not really a contender to win TTs in anything but smaller american races. Think of Gilbert: he can TT, but he's not really great at it.
My point, as you understood wasn't that he was horrible at either (he wasn't), it was that he was a good classics rider and stage hunter who couldn't climb mountains or limit his losses in TTs to less than a few minutes and then when he came back after the cancer (and more crucially after beginning to work with Dr. Ferrari), he was the world's best stage racer.
chris01 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
chris01 wrote:
I'm going to be the bigger man and end this arguement right now.
No w can we please talk about news in June of 2012 and not of news from years ago?
Translation
"After 6 posts I have still failed to post any kind of logical argument, and all my resorting to personal attacks on other people have been rebuffed by verifiable facts. Please leave me alone"
I'll leave you alone. If you ever find an argument or a fact to support your cause, you know where to find me.
Ok don't call me ignorant but what is the evidence that Lance doped?
I've already posted a very very long post about it a few pages ago in this topic. Either way, the 7 positive tests should be all the proof you need.
EDIT: It's the last post of page 16
Edited by issoisso on 14-06-2012 04:20
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Posted on 14-06-2012 04:21
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Going back to my first post, how is the 7 postive tests any different than the big bang theory with god? (once again not trying to say that lance is a god or anything like that to people who are stupid enough to think i am)
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| issoisso |
Posted on 14-06-2012 04:25
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The big bang theory doesn't prove or disprove god because it's only a theory, and because even if the big bang were conclusively proven, god could still exist and be behind it.
7 positive tests immediately prove drug use, because the tests show the drugs in Armstrong's urine.
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Posted on 14-06-2012 04:29
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issoisso, since you think Lance doped what do you think should be done? Do you think they should take away his victories?
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Posted on 14-06-2012 04:30
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chris01 wrote:
issoisso, since you think Lance doped what do you think should be done? Do you think they should take away his victories?
I hope they don't take it to that extent
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Posted on 14-06-2012 04:32
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chris01 wrote:
issoisso, since you think Lance doped what do you think should be done? Do you think they should take away his victories?
Nope. The others were on the same stuff, he just did what he had to do to compete. Under the circumstances he was the best, so he should keep those wins IMO
It's as Zülle once said: "The effect of EPO is so large, it was either take it or go back to painting houses"
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Posted on 14-06-2012 04:40
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well since everybody else doped who the fuck cares if Lance doped? It isn't like he had an unfair advantage. I am now starting to see that this a pointless topic. Why are people trying so hard to prove he doped? what are you going to get out of it if it is proven that he doped? He still fought for and legitimitely won those 7 Tours and nothing will ever change that!!!
Edited by chris01 on 14-06-2012 04:40
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If they do take away his victories, do you think that will include his 2007 Nick kids choice award for favorite male athlete?  |
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Posted on 14-06-2012 04:41
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chris01 wrote:
well since everybody else doped who the fucked cares if Lance doped? It isn't like he had an unfair advantage. I am now starting to see that this a pointless topic. Why are people trying so hard to prove he doped? what are you going to get out of it if it is proven that he doped? He still fought for and legitimitely won those 7 Tours and nothing will ever change that!!!
If everybody does it then the competition will be fair! Just legalize it
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Posted on 14-06-2012 04:42
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chris01 wrote:
Going back to my first post, how is the 7 postive tests any different than the big bang theory with god? (once again not trying to say that lance is a god or anything like that to people who are stupid enough to think i am)
I'm confused about what you are trying to say. Are you trying say that claiming that Lance doped is a logical fallacy? Or that there is no evidence for it? I'll just warn you if that is what your argument boils down to (a comparison between te logical positions of God and Armstrong) then your argument will hold less than zero weight with Atheists. Sticking to the corporeal realm and avoiding confusing analogies would be far safer and easier.
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Posted on 14-06-2012 04:43
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issoisso did he test positive in any drug test after his return in 2009?
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