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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 22-05-2013 10:33
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Right thing to do, no matter how unfortunate it is for other riders. Though I hope they start at Suisse. |
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| fickman |
Posted on 22-05-2013 10:40
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Stage 19 and 20 in danger du to bad weather and temperatures under 0. Organizers looking for an alternate route. |
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 22-05-2013 10:44
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2015 Vuelta won't start in the Netherlands
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| issoisso |
Posted on 22-05-2013 10:45
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DAMN IT. Stage 20 was the main thing worth seeing in this Giro 
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 22-05-2013 11:02
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
2015 Vuelta won't start in the Netherlands
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Clearly not enough walls around Emmen.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 22-05-2013 11:06
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
2015 Vuelta won't start in the Netherlands
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I just have to ask: what is up with the Netherlands and their hypocritical stance on doping?
They (article) say Drenthe didn't want to host the Vuelta anymore because of all the doping lately.
First Rabobank stopping, now this. Netherlands feeling too good for the doping-sport of cycling?
(No offence to Dutch people, just to the Netherlands as an organization/Rabobank/hypocritical self-righteous crap) |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 22-05-2013 11:09
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They rather support ice)skating were there is no doping at all I suppose
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| Setzel |
Posted on 22-05-2013 11:59
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Ian Butler wrote:
SSJ2Luigi wrote:
2015 Vuelta won't start in the Netherlands
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I just have to ask: what is up with the Netherlands and their hypocritical stance on doping?
They (article) say Drenthe didn't want to host the Vuelta anymore because of all the doping lately.
First Rabobank stopping, now this. Netherlands feeling too good for the doping-sport of cycling?
(No offence to Dutch people, just to the Netherlands as an organization/Rabobank/hypocritical self-righteous crap)
One word ARROGANCE 
Since they dont dope ...in Netherlands 
They go to Vienna to eat and drink at fast food joints while they wait for the "TrueBlood"
Eating my daily Breakfast at 9 pm
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| tastasol |
Posted on 22-05-2013 12:02
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@issoisso:
I believe that Santambrogio has developed over the years. The CQ ranking doesn't show anything about his development..
About the superhuman, it's a figure of speech. You kind of answer it self when you say that the bad days will not be that bad..
Mantova is clearly his past, since it was from his time in Lampre(07-09). If that is not the past, then I don't know..
You say that I'm naive and wrong about most things we discussed. So you think I'm a smart guy?
About my knowledge to Santambrogios development; What I tried to say is that I don't know a thing about his training..
And btw: By saying that I don't know a thing about doping(you are clearly the expert, aren't you?) you are kind of criticizing me..
Another btw; If you actually has something that can prove that Santambrogio is this dopehead, then you really should come with it. At the moment you are only going after me as a person..
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-05-2013 12:25
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tastasol wrote:
I believe that Santambrogio has developed over the years. The CQ ranking doesn't show anything about his development..
CQ rankings gives a much better indication of riders value, in terms of results obtained, than the current UCI points system.
If he's doubled his former best yearly result by late May, having been a pro for many seasons already, then it's a major breakthrough, not a steady development, whatsoever.
Remains to be determined whether that breakthrough is natural or artificial. Each to his own, but when you've ridden for Lampre, Phonak 2.0 and Vini, that draws a pattern. A bit like you had been at Astana, Discovery and Saxo Bank. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 22-05-2013 12:28
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You forgot to mention LPR 
Edited by Spilak23 on 22-05-2013 12:29
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 22-05-2013 12:33
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tastasol wrote:
Another btw; If you actually has something that can prove that Santambrogio is this dopehead, then you really should come with it. At the moment you are only going after me as a person..
Hey, even Floyd Landis was a doper. Can you belive that?
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 22-05-2013 12:38
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Ian Butler wrote:
I just have to ask: what is up with the Netherlands and their hypocritical stance on doping?
They (article) say Drenthe didn't want to host the Vuelta anymore because of all the doping lately.
First Rabobank stopping, now this. Netherlands feeling too good for the doping-sport of cycling?
(No offence to Dutch people, just to the Netherlands as an organization/Rabobank/hypocritical self-righteous crap)
I think it's because of the plethora of opinions in the Netherlands. It's kind of the trait of our country, everyone always has a different opinion and we always disagree on everything.
There's the people who are involved in the sport of cycling but who aren't cycling fans (like companies, sponsors, hosts etc). With all the doping news they tend to back off and look for another sport to affiliate themselves with. Then there's the people who are cycling fans, a minority in Holland, unlike Belgium where its the national sport. They acknowledge the doping and still love the sport. Some people might argue that they want to do something about it, like the Dutch cycling union and its rider inquiry and doping investigation commission. Others just accept things the way they are and just want to move on. Finally theres the majority of people who don't care about cycling and ridicule it. Whenever there's serious talk about cycling they are the first to say 'LOL doping' and ruin the discussion for everyone. I think these are often the football fans.
All in all this means that cycling in the Netherlands is under a buttload of pressure. I see how it might seem silly to cycling fans from another country. Then again, I have read comments from Dutch cycling fans who like to see action being taken after the doping scandals, who think that the Belgians don't do enough and put them in the same group as the Spaniards, Italians, etc. |
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| tastasol |
Posted on 22-05-2013 12:57
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Aquarius wrote:
CQ rankings gives a much better indication of riders value, in terms of results obtained, than the current UCI points system.
If he's doubled his former best yearly result by late May, having been a pro for many seasons already, then it's a major breakthrough, not a steady development, whatsoever.
Remains to be determined whether that breakthrough is natural or artificial. Each to his own, but when you've ridden for Lampre, Phonak 2.0 and Vini, that draws a pattern. A bit like you had been at Astana, Discovery and Saxo Bank.
CQ is way better than the UCI ranking(which I didn't mention), but the CQ-ranking is just numbers. Indrectly it shows how good a rider is, but it's not close to show the real strength to every rider.
About the teams: Wild speculation, nothing else.. The teams don't have the best reputation, but that is not equal to doping.
@hillis91 Really? Why shouldn't I believe that?
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| kumazan |
Posted on 22-05-2013 15:00
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tastasol wrote:
@hillis91 Really? Why shouldn't I believe that?
Because he had a bad day.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 22-05-2013 15:30
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No Vuelta 2015 in Netherlands?!
Annoying that it's even my region who said no at first. And they would get so close to my home
Anyway, maybe you guys are happy about it, since it might would have given boring stages, but you can imagine my disappointment, I hope 
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| Selwink |
Posted on 22-05-2013 15:32
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Jesleyh wrote:
No Vuelta 2015 in Netherlands?!
Annoying that it's even my region who said no at first. And they would get so close to my home
Anyway, maybe you guys are happy about it, since it might would have given boring stages, but you can imagine my disappointment, I hope
And for the worst reason of all: bad publicity thanks to the dope.
1: The real cycling fans wouldnt care and come anyway.
2: Theres only dope in cycling?
EDIT: I would even think doping news is positive, as it shows we actually do something about it, in contrary with countries like Belgium and Spain
Edited by Selwink on 22-05-2013 15:34
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 22-05-2013 15:59
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Selwink wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
No Vuelta 2015 in Netherlands?!
Annoying that it's even my region who said no at first. And they would get so close to my home
Anyway, maybe you guys are happy about it, since it might would have given boring stages, but you can imagine my disappointment, I hope
And for the worst reason of all: bad publicity thanks to the dope.
1: The real cycling fans wouldnt care and come anyway.
2: Theres only dope in cycling?
EDIT: I would even think doping news is positive, as it shows we actually do something about it, in contrary with countries like Belgium and Spain
How is dropping sponsorship and banning the Vuelta doing something against doping? |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 22-05-2013 16:02
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Ian Butler wrote:
Selwink wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
No Vuelta 2015 in Netherlands?!
Annoying that it's even my region who said no at first. And they would get so close to my home
Anyway, maybe you guys are happy about it, since it might would have given boring stages, but you can imagine my disappointment, I hope
And for the worst reason of all: bad publicity thanks to the dope.
1: The real cycling fans wouldnt care and come anyway.
2: Theres only dope in cycling?
EDIT: I would even think doping news is positive, as it shows we actually do something about it, in contrary with countries like Belgium and Spain
How is dropping sponsorship and banning the Vuelta doing something against doping?
I think he means that reporting on news about doping and catching Dutch dopers is a good thing because it implies that the system is working. I don't think he was saying what you are thinking.
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| Selwink |
Posted on 22-05-2013 16:05
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Ian Butler wrote:
Selwink wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
No Vuelta 2015 in Netherlands?!
Annoying that it's even my region who said no at first. And they would get so close to my home
Anyway, maybe you guys are happy about it, since it might would have given boring stages, but you can imagine my disappointment, I hope
And for the worst reason of all: bad publicity thanks to the dope.
1: The real cycling fans wouldnt care and come anyway.
2: Theres only dope in cycling?
EDIT: I would even think doping news is positive, as it shows we actually do something about it, in contrary with countries like Belgium and Spain
How is dropping sponsorship and banning the Vuelta doing something against doping?
Not. Catching dopers is bad publicity. According to the region, knowing there is dope but doing nothing about it is better. Catching dopers is better than letting them get away with it. It however seems catching is worse for them.
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