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TdF'13 Stage 21 - Versailles to Paris (July 21)
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:01
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Whatever they do, I hope they keep less TT, flat TT. May be hilly or mountain TT is ok. But less of flat TT. Even Prologue will be fine.
I heard there is long Team TT like 40-45kms, so I guess teams will have 1 or 2 dedicated time trialist next year. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:01
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jph27 wrote:
It's in Yorkshire. Not England, Yorkshire.
Your wise crack will not work here.
The Tour starts in England. 
Edited by doddy13 on 21-07-2013 22:03
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:03
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atlanta wrote:
Stromeon wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
Stromeon wrote:
No doubt we'll go back to a shitty route/boring tour next year though.
New route director. Who knows huh?
Maybe next year we start with a prologue in Monaco and go trough Tourmalet, Huez or Ventoux and Courchevel? Then finish in Champs-Elysses.
Start's in Yorkshire, remember?
Cobbles are likely to be in next year's tour, as apparently they will be doing something to commemorate the First World War round Ypres etc where the cobbles are.
Also strongly rumoured is a finish in Hautacam.
About time that great climb is used again. I'd like to see a Galibier finish again, about time Alpe d'Huez was chucked away for a few yrs me thinks.
We've only had the Alpe 3 (well 4 I suppose) times in the last 7 editions but I agree, I think it should take a break until 2015. I'm pretty sure the Galibier will return since we haven't had it for two years, don't really want a finish on it though, the Giro stage this year there was sooooo boring.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:03
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Stromeon wrote:
No doubt we'll go back to a shitty route/boring tour next year though.
3 MTF's above 2500 and it might get close
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| atlanta |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:04
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Stromeon wrote:
And so the 100th edition of the Tour de France concludes, and I must say, it's been a great edition. We've had pretty much everything you can get (apart from positive tests): a few great mountain stages, close sprints, the emergence of Kittel and Quintana as future world-beaters, the inevitable crashes, great scenery, novelty, tradition, history, a great route, controversy, an exciting flat stage, a French win on Alpe d'Huez, etc the list goes on...
Oh and some mutant braking round the corners up Mont Ventoux, but no one really cares about him/it 
No doubt we'll go back to a shitty route/boring tour next year though.
Yep the mutant was slower than AS and AC up Ventoux, I bet they int Mutants in your opinion. CF is here to stay maybe go watch a diff sport pal. I do agree it was a great addition, NQ is indeed here to stay, at 23 he is as good as CF uphill already the guy should be atleat a 3xTDF champion. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:11
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
the_hoyle wrote:
Wiggo's speech last year was better showed more british humour!
not surprising though, I have no idea how Kenyan humour is like
It's pretty dark.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:12
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Nin1388 wrote:
Whatever they do, I hope they keep less TT, flat TT. May be hilly or mountain TT is ok. But less of flat TT. Even Prologue will be fine.
I heard there is long Team TT like 40-45kms, so I guess teams will have 1 or 2 dedicated time trialist next year.
I thiink this year was about right with the TTs. I'm not a fan of prologues at all, I think its a waste of a stage tbh as gaps are nothing. Dont have two 30k+ flat ones like last year sure, but I think its good to have one 30-40k fairly flat TT as long as you have good climbs to balance it out.
Tour should be rounded so that the best overall guy wins, not just the best climber. That is what the polka-dots is for.
I'm not a huge fan of the TTTs either simply because they make it so hard for outsiders to win as the big teams can afford domestiques that can TT and climb, whilst the smaller teams can't. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:13
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atlanta wrote:
Yep the mutant was slower than AS and AC up Ventoux
2009: 48:57
2013: 48:35
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:16
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cactus-jack wrote:
SSJ2Luigi wrote:
the_hoyle wrote:
Wiggo's speech last year was better showed more british humour!
not surprising though, I have no idea how Kenyan humour is like
It's pretty dark.
And here I was thinking the ban would come from the first guy to make a joke about how Reza and Géne got in the top 10
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:16
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"I'm glad I've had to face those questions - after all the revelations of the last year. I'm glad that's been channelled towards me. I've been able to deal with it. Cycling has changed - the peloton is standing together."
- Lance Arm... oh wait, I mean.. Chris Froome, 2013.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:19
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BritPCMFan wrote:
"I'm glad I've had to face those questions - after all the revelations of the last year. I'm glad that's been channelled towards me. I've been able to deal with it. Cycling has changed - the peloton is standing together."
- Lance Arm... oh wait, I mean.. Chris Froome, 2013.
Omerta is back baby!
Reminds me of that study by Horváth and a few others on what dopers say.
It concluded that pretty much only unrepentant dopers say 'there's barely anyone doping now. it's very clean'. The clean guys usually say that it's pretty prevalent and they're not happy with the sport's situation.
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:20
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issoisso wrote:
atlanta wrote:
Yep the mutant was slower than AS and AC up Ventoux
2009: 48:57
2013: 48:35
For part of the climb. Over the whole climb his time was slower. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:23
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What part? That's for the whole 15.65kms
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:25
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Wait, are you including the false flat before the climb?
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:27
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Spoiler
1. 2004: 55:51 Iban Mayo 23.10 km/h
2. 2004: 56:26 Tyler Hamilton 22.86 km/h
3. 1999: 56:50 Jonathan Vaughters 22.70 km/h
4. 2004: 56:54 Oscar Sevilla 22.67 km/h
5. 1999: 57:33 Alexander Vinokourov 22.42 km/h
6. 1994: 57:34 Marco Pantani 22.41 km/h
7. 1999: 57:34 Wladimir Belli 22.41 km/h
8. 2004: 57:39 Juan Miguel Mercado 22.38 km/h
9. 1999: 57:42 Joseba Beloki 22.36 km/h
10. 2004: 57:49 Lance Armstrong 22.31 km/h
11. 1999: 57:52 Lance Armstrong 22.29 km/h
12. 2004: 58:14 Inigo Landaluze 22.15 km/h
13. 1999: 58:15 Kevin Livingston 22.15 km/h
14. 1999: 58:31 David Moncoutie 22.05 km/h
15. 2004: 58:35 José Enrique Gutierrez 22.02 km/h
16. 2009: 58:45 Andy Schleck 21.96 km/h
17. 2009: 58:45 Alberto Contador 21.96 km/h
18. 2009: 58:48 Lance Armstrong 21.94 km/h
19. 2009: 58:50 Fränk Schleck 21.93 km/h
20. 1999: 58:51 Unai Osa 21.92 km/h
21. 2009: 58:53 Roman Kreuziger 21.91 km/h
22. 2002: 59:00 Lance Armstrong 21.86 km/h
23. 2013: 59:00 Chris Froome 21.86 km/h
24. 1994: 59:02 Richard Virenque 21.85 km/h
25. 1994: 59:02 Armand De Las Cuevas 21.85 km/h
26. 1994: 59:02 Luc Leblanc 21.85 km/h
27. 1994: 59:02 Miguel Indurain 21.85 km/h
28. 1994: 59:02 Roberto Conti 21.85 km/h
29. 2009: 59:03 Franco Pellizotti 21.85 km/h
30. 2000: 59:05 Marco Pantani 21.83 km/h
31. 2000: 59:05 Lance Armstrong 21.83 km/h
32. 2009: 59:05 Vincenzo Nibali 21.83 km/h
33. 1994: 59:07 Pascal Lino 21.82 km/h
34. 1999: 59:08 Tyler Hamilton 21.82 km/h
35. 1999: 59:08 Roberto Laiseka 21.82 km/h
36. 2009: 59:10 Bradley Wiggins 21.80 km/h
37. 2004: 59:12 Levi Leipheimer 21.79 km/h
38. 2004: 59:24 Michael Rasmussen 21.72 km/h
39. 2004: 59:27 Stéphane Goubert 21.70 km/h
40. 2013: 59:29 Nairo Quintana 21.69 km/h
41. 2000: 59:30 Joseba Beloki 21.68 km/h
42. 2000: 59:34 Jan Ullrich 21.66 km/h
43. 1999: 59:35 Txema Del Olmo 21.65 km/h
44. 1999: 59:43 Kurt van de Wouwer 21.60 km/h
45. 2009: 59:46 Jurgen Van Den Broeck 21.58 km/h
46. 2004: 59:47 Oscar Pereiro 21.58 km/h
47. 2006: 59:47 Denis Menchov 21.58 km/h
48. 2006: 59:47 Christophe Moreau 21.58 km/h
49. 2009: 59:49 Andreas Klöden 21.57 km/h
50. 2004: 59:50 David Moncoutie 21.56 km/h
Top 50 times for the whole climb. Its 1617 m of climbing over 21,8 km.
EDIT: The 1999 and 2004 times are TTs hence the generally higher figures.
Edited by BritPCMFan on 21-07-2013 22:29
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:27
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Stromeon wrote:
atlanta wrote:
Stromeon wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
Stromeon wrote:
No doubt we'll go back to a shitty route/boring tour next year though.
New route director. Who knows huh?
Maybe next year we start with a prologue in Monaco and go trough Tourmalet, Huez or Ventoux and Courchevel? Then finish in Champs-Elysses.
Start's in Yorkshire, remember?
Cobbles are likely to be in next year's tour, as apparently they will be doing something to commemorate the First World War round Ypres etc where the cobbles are.
Also strongly rumoured is a finish in Hautacam.
About time that great climb is used again. I'd like to see a Galibier finish again, about time Alpe d'Huez was chucked away for a few yrs me thinks.
We've only had the Alpe 3 (well 4 I suppose) times in the last 7 editions but I agree, I think it should take a break until 2015. I'm pretty sure the Galibier will return since we haven't had it for two years, don't really want a finish on it though, the Giro stage this year there was sooooo boring.
I was thinking about the Hautacam climb the other day on how it hasn't been used since 2008, it would be nice to see it back. I feel they are over using some climbs like Madalaine, Ax 3 Domaines, Pailheres too much in recent years. I would like to see the Cime de la Bonnette, Tourmalet, Aspin, Aubisque, Galibier, Croix de fer and Col D'Agnel back but using towards the end of the stage this time.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:28
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Canc, Voigt and Nicki S went full gas there in 2009 to bring the break back. Siutsou set a very gentle pace there this time. But it's hardly uphill so no point to include it to compere times
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:29
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We want Puy de Dôme
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:30
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issoisso wrote:
We want Puy de Dôme
Now I would love to see that, but I feel it will never happen 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:31
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It's like the Pico Veleta at the Vuelta...we can dream
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