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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-03-2013 17:58
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depeche92 wrote:
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@Eske
Well, there are plenty of riders that have more chance (In My Opinion) than Scarponi. Talansky, Westra, Quintana, Porte, Van Garderen and Gesink still have more chance.
Scarponi does have a chance, but it's not for sure that he wins it 
Also, Schleck rides Tirreno.
Can't see Gesink gains 1 minute or more on guys like Talansky and Van Garederen in Lure stage...
With all the tricky stages in thenext Giro, I hope he'll be more careful than today
I don't know. Depends a bit on how the stage turns out.
I can see him winning some time on Talansky at the Col D'Eze TT too, maybe also a bit on Van Garderen, but not sure about that. 
But I agree, Gesink isn't the main favourite anymore, maybe an outsider...
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| Bikex |
Posted on 06-03-2013 18:07
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
juszta wrote:
eske wrote:
how much time lost Andy Schleck today
Andy rides the Tirreno-Adriatico and they lost 36 seconds on the TTT.
I'm surprised he didn't got dropped in the TTT.
I think he got  |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 06-03-2013 18:08
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Bikex wrote:
fosforgasXIII wrote:
juszta wrote:
eske wrote:
how much time lost Andy Schleck today
Andy rides the Tirreno-Adriatico and they lost 36 seconds on the TTT.
I'm surprised he didn't got dropped in the TTT.
I think he got
He did. 
Lost 1'27 together with Devolder
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| eske |
Posted on 06-03-2013 18:09
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Mé too
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| ryant |
Posted on 06-03-2013 18:19
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Go Gorka Iziguirre, had some nice form earlier in the season, hope it continues...
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| issoisso |
Posted on 06-03-2013 18:23
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Jesleyh wrote:
depeche92 wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
@Eske
Well, there are plenty of riders that have more chance (In My Opinion) than Scarponi. Talansky, Westra, Quintana, Porte, Van Garderen and Gesink still have more chance.
Scarponi does have a chance, but it's not for sure that he wins it
Also, Schleck rides Tirreno.
Can't see Gesink gains 1 minute or more on guys like Talansky and Van Garederen in Lure stage...
With all the tricky stages in thenext Giro, I hope he'll be more careful than today
I don't know. Depends a bit on how the stage turns out.
I can see him winning some time on Talansky at the Col D'Eze TT too, maybe also a bit on Van Garderen, but not sure about that.
But I agree, Gesink isn't the main favourite anymore, maybe an outsider...
I'll be surprised if Gesink takes any time at all from Talansky in the TT
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-03-2013 18:24
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issoisso wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
depeche92 wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
@Eske
Well, there are plenty of riders that have more chance (In My Opinion) than Scarponi. Talansky, Westra, Quintana, Porte, Van Garderen and Gesink still have more chance.
Scarponi does have a chance, but it's not for sure that he wins it
Also, Schleck rides Tirreno.
Can't see Gesink gains 1 minute or more on guys like Talansky and Van Garederen in Lure stage...
With all the tricky stages in thenext Giro, I hope he'll be more careful than today
I don't know. Depends a bit on how the stage turns out.
I can see him winning some time on Talansky at the Col D'Eze TT too, maybe also a bit on Van Garderen, but not sure about that.
But I agree, Gesink isn't the main favourite anymore, maybe an outsider...
I'll be surprised if Gesink takes any time at all from Talansky in the TT
Why? Gesink is a better climber than him I think, and they might be equal at the flatter/less steeper parts of the climb. Gesink improved his TT in the winter too...
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| issoisso |
Posted on 06-03-2013 18:29
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Talansky recovers better from a week of efforts, is massively better in the less steep stuff and there's not much hard climbing in that TT.
As for Gesink improving his TT, I'd love to know what in the world you're basing that on
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-03-2013 18:36
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issoisso wrote:
Talansky recovers better from a week of efforts, is massively better in the less steep stuff and there's not much hard climbing in that TT.
As for Gesink improving his TT, I'd love to know what in the world you're basing that on
You might be right about the less steep stuff thing, I don't have that much knowledge about Talansky
Well, Gesink said something about that he improved his TTing in the winter, I'm pretty sure of that.
I must admit that now I google it, I can't find it, so I probably mixed it up with another rider.
Still, I think Gesink can be faster than Talansky. We will see who's right soon, although I'm not 100% sure anymore
Edited by Jesleyh on 06-03-2013 18:38
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 06-03-2013 18:44
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Jesleyh wrote:
Well, Gesink said something about that he improved his TTing in the winter,
Isn't that what the Schlecks, Basso, Cunego and every other GT contender with a bad timetrial say every year?
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-03-2013 18:45
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Spilak23 wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
Well, Gesink said something about that he improved his TTing in the winter,
Isn't that what the Schlecks, Basso, Cunego and every other GT contender with a bad timetrial say every year?
That's true 
Gesink already has a decent one though...
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| issoisso |
Posted on 06-03-2013 18:50
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Jesleyh wrote:
You might be right about the less steep stuff thing, I don't have that much knowledge about Talansky
Here's a time trial with two similar climbs, 2 months after Talansky's first race as a pro. He's improved massively since then. Compare Gesink and Talansky's times
https://www.cqrank...ceid=20073
Here's last year, a time trial that's similar to this one. Notice Talansky's result.
https://www.cqrank...ceid=22042
And of course the Vuelta TT last year with a climb in the middle, although that climb wasn't a lot like this one (it was harder)
https://www.cqrank...ceid=22127
Spilak23 wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
Well, Gesink said something about that he improved his TTing in the winter,
Isn't that what the Schlecks, Basso, Cunego and every other GT contender with a bad timetrial say every year?
This.
Jesleyh wrote:
Still, I think Gesink can be faster than Talansky.
I know, I saw your avatar
Edited by issoisso on 06-03-2013 18:52
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-03-2013 18:56
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Hmm, especially that Romandië TT was indeed strong. All those TTs were quite a lot longer than this one though. And the third link is a sprinters stage of the 'Ronde van België'
The Romandië TT seems to have to do a bit with form though, I don't think the Top-Tier GT riders peaked for that, while it looks that Talansky did.
But I admit, I'm impressed
Edit: And the avatar, it was just the first thing that I came up with.(Just typed Rabobank 2012 on Googla Images I think) I didn't pay any attention to it though. I'm not a huge Gesink fan, I like personalities of guys like Mollema better.
Edited by Jesleyh on 06-03-2013 18:58
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| issoisso |
Posted on 06-03-2013 19:02
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Jesleyh wrote:
the third link is a sprinters stage of the 'Ronde van België'
I noticed. I edited it just after.
Jesleyh wrote:I'm not a huge Gesink fan, I like personalities of guys like Mollema better.
Mollema has a personality? I never realized
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 06-03-2013 19:04
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Jesleyh wrote:
The Romandië TT seems to have to do a bit with form though, I don't think the Top-Tier GT riders peaked for that, while it looks that Talansky did.
But I admit, I'm impressed
Wiggins certainly wasn't in bad form, and Talansky matched him on the stage that suited him the most.
No way Gesink will beat him up Col d'Eze. Tbh, I don't even consider Gesink a top 3 contender for that stage. Talansky, Van Garderen, Westra, Porte, Peraud and Velits are all names I'd pick over him for that stage.
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| Smowz |
Posted on 06-03-2013 19:06
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It's interesting reading those TT results from isso with Porte also featuring pretty high on those lists as well as Talansky. I think we should get three days of aggressive racing now, hoping to see some tomorrow as I can watch it.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-03-2013 19:09
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Okay, okay guys
I will put my money on Kelderman instead then
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Edited by Jesleyh on 06-03-2013 19:09
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| Metriz- |
Posted on 06-03-2013 19:29
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issoisso wrote:
Here's a time trial with two similar climbs, 2 months after Talansky's first race as a pro. He's improved massively since then. Compare Gesink and Talansky's times
https://www.cqrank...ceid=20073
Here's last year, a time trial that's similar to this one. Notice Talansky's result.
https://www.cqrank...ceid=22042
And of course the Vuelta TT last year with a climb in the middle, although that climb wasn't a lot like this one (it was harder)
https://www.cqrank...ceid=22127
I'm not going to argue that Gesink will be faster than Talansky, because he won't. But you can't use those time trials as arguments.
In both of the time trials they both rode Gesink was pretty close. One thing they also have in common, is that they have both ups, downs and flat sections.
Col d'Èze has no downhill section, and as we all know Gesink sucks going downhill.
issoisso wrote:
Also, ruben to make his stereotypical post explaining that Gesink is not a bad descender in 3...2...1....
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 06-03-2013 20:37
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Jesleyh wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Talansky recovers better from a week of efforts, is massively better in the less steep stuff and there's not much hard climbing in that TT.
As for Gesink improving his TT, I'd love to know what in the world you're basing that on
You might be right about the less steep stuff thing, I don't have that much knowledge about Talansky
Well, Gesink said something about that he improved his TTing in the winter, I'm pretty sure of that.
I must admit that now I google it, I can't find it, so I probably mixed it up with another rider.
Still, I think Gesink can be faster than Talansky. We will see who's right soon, although I'm not 100% sure anymore
I remember one rider story after every year..I will get better as TT rider after this winter. Well let' s try it again..no ...next year the...no...etc. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 06-03-2013 20:57
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Spilak23 wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
Well, Gesink said something about that he improved his TTing in the winter,
Isn't that what the Schlecks, Basso, Cunego and every other GT contender with a bad timetrial say every year?
Plus: I believe they all work on their timetrial in the winter but making much progress is very hard. So I can't really see Gesink improving much more in his timetrial.
Basso is the only one who made notable progress around 2005 influenced by two factors. Riis made him do long technical descents from mountains with his timetrial bike every week to improve his technique. And a certain doctor from Madrid.
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