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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 20-05-2013 21:15
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Cancellara 0 and Armstrong 4?  |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 20-05-2013 21:17
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Schleck 1?
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 20-05-2013 21:42
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Don't misinterpret it.
It's the priority for testing riders, not simply how suspicious they are.
From memory, UCI explained, but not L'Équipe (IIRC), that the number was based on different factors, such as date of the last tests for the bio passport, suspicion based on the previous tests results, number of tests undergone that season already, etc.
It was definitely not as simplistic as 10 : certainly doping, 0, definitely not doping |
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 20-05-2013 22:20
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Aquarius wrote:
Don't misinterpret it.
It's the priority for testing riders, not simply how suspicious they are.
From memory, UCI explained, but not L'Équipe (IIRC), that the number was based on different factors, such as date of the last tests for the bio passport, suspicion based on the previous tests results, number of tests undergone that season already, etc.
It was definitely not as simplistic as 10 : certainly doping, 0, definitely not doping
I'm not surprised that Voeckler has a very low priority for testing on a French list. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 20-05-2013 22:25
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Miguel98 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Yep, obviously him
He was a 9 on the blood passport suspicion list a few years back. Ridiculous that it took this long. Well, even more ridiculous that the others like Popovych and Vandenbroeck are still out there, actually.
If Popovych is still doping, he is on some really bad stuff. Or he's still using the same he used 10 years ago
There's a Popovych prior to Discovery, a Popovych in Discovery and a Popovych after that.
he was good with that..even before Postal.
Menchov story is sad...no dope no result. Then even with dope no result at TdF |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 20-05-2013 22:31
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Guido Mukk wrote:
he was good with that..even before Postal.
Menchov story is sad...no dope no result. Then even with dope no result at TdF
Dope =/= win... You'll still only be as good as your doped body can manage, and someone else can still just be better, it happens.
Its why Armstrong is still a 7time winner to me. He doped, but then so did everyone he beat. Doesn't make it right, but makes it less outrageous.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-05-2013 22:40
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Aquarius wrote:
Don't misinterpret it.
It's the priority for testing riders, not simply how suspicious they are.
From memory, UCI explained, but not L'Équipe (IIRC), that the number was based on different factors, such as date of the last tests for the bio passport, suspicion based on the previous tests results, number of tests undergone that season already, etc.
It was definitely not as simplistic as 10 : certainly doping, 0, definitely not doping
They also said that that could only change the priority by 2 points at most from the original ranking which was solely taken from the blood passport values
TheManxMissile wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
he was good with that..even before Postal.
Menchov story is sad...no dope no result. Then even with dope no result at TdF
Dope =/= win... You'll still only be as good as your doped body can manage, and someone else can still just be better, it happens.
Its why Armstrong is still a 7time winner to me. He doped, but then so did everyone he beat. Doesn't make it right, but makes it less outrageous.
I don't really think so because different people have wildly different responses to drugs. Before EPO Armstrong couldn't climb or TT for shit.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 21-05-2013 06:37
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
he was good with that..even before Postal.
Menchov story is sad...no dope no result. Then even with dope no result at TdF
Dope =/= win... You'll still only be as good as your doped body can manage, and someone else can still just be better, it happens.
Its why Armstrong is still a 7time winner to me. He doped, but then so did everyone he beat. Doesn't make it right, but makes it less outrageous.
Yeah, like Moncoutié 12th in 2002, and probably dozens of others. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 21-05-2013 06:40
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Ian Butler wrote:
Cancellara 0 and Armstrong 4?
I thought you would be rather interested in number 8 next to name of VdB. 
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 21-05-2013 07:06
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Tony Martin at 7, who'd have thought ?
Also Fedrigo at 5 is a bit surprising. There are little other surprises that'd go in the sense of riders ranked higher than I'd expect. Some surprises go the other way though, such as Armstrong at 4, the Schlecks at 2 and 3.
A team with marginal gains and hard dedication to training certainly doesn't require any sort of blood manipulation, so their riders must probably be in the 0-2 category.
Oh wait... |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 21-05-2013 07:20
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Aquarius wrote:
A team with marginal gains and hard dedication to training certainly doesn't require any sort of blood manipulation, so their riders must probably be in the 0-2 category.
Oh wait...
Yeah, they have pretty nice collection, dont they?
Siutsou at 8
Rogers at 7 (last year we saw what he did)
Knees and Thomas at 6
Wiggins 5
I wonder which number could have been given to Froome and Wiggo last year and Porte this year, 11?
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 21-05-2013 08:08
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Cancellara 0 and Armstrong 4?
I thought you would be rather interested in number 8 next to name of VdB.
Well I've heard this before, but I don't buy it  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-05-2013 11:04
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Ian Butler wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Cancellara 0 and Armstrong 4?
I thought you would be rather interested in number 8 next to name of VdB.
Well I've heard this before, but I don't buy it
Above 5 is labelled "Overwhelming evidence of doping"
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Tony Martin at 7, who'd have thought ?
Me. I have a bad feeling about the guy
Just a feeling though
Edited by issoisso on 21-05-2013 11:05
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 21-05-2013 11:13
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
A team with marginal gains and hard dedication to training certainly doesn't require any sort of blood manipulation, so their riders must probably be in the 0-2 category.
Oh wait...
Yeah, they have pretty nice collection, dont they?
Siutsou at 8
Rogers at 7 (last year we saw what he did)
Knees and Thomas at 6
Wiggins 5
I wonder which number could have been given to Froome and Wiggo last year and Porte this year, 11?
Wiggo and Fromme more than 20!! |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 21-05-2013 11:18
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And what a shocker to see that the guy who came out of basically nowhere to climb with the best at Tirreno and Trentino, plus sit 4th in the Giro after two weeks was given a 6. Surely just a mistake, right?
Edited by Pellizotti2 on 21-05-2013 11:28
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| jph27 |
Posted on 21-05-2013 11:26
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Martin was a stagiare at Gerolsteiner. When the whole team was doping. Wouldn't surprise me. |
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| tastasol |
Posted on 21-05-2013 11:28
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Santambrogio out of nowhere? He has been very good in the hills the last years, but have never really had a captains role in the mountains in BMC. A bit surprising that he has been so good in the mountains this year, but he has been good the entire season.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 21-05-2013 11:42
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jph27 wrote:
Martin was a stagiare at Gerolsteiner. When the whole team was doping. Wouldn't surprise me.
The same Martin that in the under 23 couldn't even top 10 the world championships ITT and is now the most dominant timetrialer in the peloton
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| kumazan |
Posted on 21-05-2013 11:45
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tastasol wrote:
Santambrogio out of nowhere?
Yes.
tastasol wrote:
He has been very good in the hills the last years,
Quite good in Lombardia, average at best in the rest of the hilly races.
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but have never really had a captains role in the mountains in BMC.
No, but while being a domestique he did nothing but suck, and leave poor Cuddles alone. Now he's outclimbing him, and many GC contenders.
tastasol wrote:
A bit surprising that he has been so good in the mountains this year, but he has been good the entire season.
A bit, yeah.  He's making Sella 2008 look believable.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 21-05-2013 11:49
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kumazan wrote:
tastasol wrote:
A bit surprising that he has been so good in the mountains this year, but he has been good the entire season.
A bit, yeah. He's making Sella 2008 look believable.
Atleast he's not worse as 2006 Gutierrez Cataluna
He showed some great things though as a 19/20 yo in his first years but didn't get anything better untill the start of this season
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