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| beagle |
Posted on 18-02-2011 15:39
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| beagle |
Posted on 18-02-2011 15:41
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btw when final decision about PCM version for next season is expected to come?
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| SotD |
Posted on 18-02-2011 16:34
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I were thinking about contacting you about him SotD, so maybe we can make a deal when we are allowed to (yeah, I sweared when I saw your story involving him, since that might make you not trade him :-p)
Hehe luckily it's all stories for my team right now, so all riders are for sale. He is not going to be my cheapest rider though since he's on a very low salary 
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 18-02-2011 16:42
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Training wise - the first version wasnt thought through well enough, the current system is much better - and there is no chance of non-maxxed riders being allowed to train. Theres unlikely to be any changes to it this off-season either
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And it also caused what you complained about a while ago. Too many riders like Castano were trained to form the 40 odd riders with 80 mountain.
I don't think I complained about the amount of trained riders, but I was questioning the amount of riders put into the game with those kinda stats.
That was largely an attribute of the PPDB db the game is based on though.
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btw when final decision about PCM version for next season is expected to come?
Itll continue to be tested, but the latest we can leave it before deciding is until just after the team renewals
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And to all new German teams, Kittel and Barth are going nowhere 
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| Smowz |
Posted on 18-02-2011 16:52
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Fair enough having read through the comments people have made to my original thoughts about rider swaps and loan deals. Particularly rjc's about the punishments involved - wikipedia is a good example really. They are going to find it difficult I imagine to hold onto Phinney, Zabriskie and Van Garderen as it is already.
mb: I hope you were not too rattled about my comments - I like the nationalistic element of your squad. I really hope you do sneak up to this year, partly so I don't have to deal with coming up against your squad too often.
I think I was looking at doomsday secenrios of teams 'owning' large portions of riders and loaning them out en masse, but with the contracts that cannot really happen.
Changing tact and a little aside here: I recall rjc's selling of Manarelli and Garcia Rincon to me - trawling through the transfer season thread there are one or two others that amuse me:
Milka middle men!
Auber 93 - Look David Lopez Garcia Milka € 235,950
Milka David López Garcia Team Santander € 550,000
How much?
Lipton Ice Tea Francisco Perez Sanchez UBS - Annie Chun's € 1,600,000
100% ME Bradley Wiggins Pendleton's Twicer € 1,076,000
Lipton Ice Tea Elia Viviani Team Energie-Diesel € 800,000
Cafe de Colombia Mark Cavendish 100% ME € 1,200,000
Carmeuse Cyclisme Marco Marzano Sony Ericsson € 1,200,000
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 18-02-2011 17:07
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I was the cause of the first mad transfer buy when I got Wiggins in the first transfer season, it was great that the Wiggins tradition continued when I sold him on!
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| beagle |
Posted on 18-02-2011 17:10
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regarding to avoiding of "friendly" deals...what about obligation to accept offer from "unfriendly" manager when his offer is let´s say by 10%+ higher?
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 18-02-2011 17:11
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I should not be trusted with that amount of cash.
Don't give me a small budget next year though |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 18-02-2011 17:18
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Why? Why would I want to see my rivals, so to speak, gain from a transfer I am happy with? If I am happy with gaining 55,000 euros from a rider on a wage of 50,000 - which is how I make my transfer offers (wage + 10%), why should I change that? Hence why I sold David Lopez Garcia to a team that I considered wasn't going to be a rival. The fact he then got sold on to Santander had nothing to do with me, and was the amount that mb clearly valued him at.
Plus, there are so many riders out there, that are so similar, if you can't get one rider, you can always get another.
I couldn't get Kessler for "cheap" so I enquired about Sinkewitz, and got him instead.
The way I see a lot of this discussion is that most people seem to see only what they can get from the new rule, or change of rules. You can't make a decision based purely on selfish intentions.If you want to add, or change a rule, you need to ensure you've actually thought it through, and that it's fair to everyone. Not just to you.
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| OlegTinkov |
Posted on 18-02-2011 17:21
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Nozal, Petrov, Siutsou and Martinez have to get away and collaborate to put maximum pressure on YouTube - Twitter.
Or their second best men (Ndbri, Kritskiy, Kilun and Delgado) in a early breakaway.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 18-02-2011 17:23
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tour of america thread? |
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| beagle |
Posted on 18-02-2011 17:39
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I think everyone should have a chance (at least theoretical one) to purchase every single rider...that´s all
if I want Kessler in my team, because he is my favourite rider, I won´t definitely satisfied with Sinkewitz only for their similar skills (or vice versa,it doesn´t matter)
and imagine hypothetical scenario - you make a deal with your friend, whom I consider as my rival. As I don´t want to allow him to strenghten for cheap, I´ll make you better offer...but you´re satisfied with the first one (or you consider me as your rival) and can simply deny my offer...is it fair?
imo, same thing from two different points of view...
btw I never made a deal with anybody and still didn´t start to search around whole DB with intentions of potential new signings
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 18-02-2011 17:42
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beagle wrote:
I think everyone should have a chance (at least theoretical one) to purchase every single rider...that´s all
if I want Kessler in my team, because he is my favourite rider, I won´t definitely satisfied with Sinkewitz only for their similar skills (or vice versa,it doesn´t matter)
and imagine hypothetical scenario - you make a deal with your friend, whom I consider as my rival. As I don´t want to allow him to strenghten for cheap, I´ll make you better offer...but you´re satisfied with the first one (or you consider me as your rival) and can simply deny my offer...is it fair?
imo, same thing from two different points of view...
btw I never made a deal with anybody and still didn´t start to search around whole DB with intentions of potential new signings
Ok, so you only want Kessler, and strike a good deal with his manager. Great, you think. You've both come to a sensible agreement of, say, his wage plus 10%. Then someone who had previously no interest comes along, once your deal is nearly done, and bids the required 10% extra that you'd suggested. You lose Kessler, and are no longer happy, no?
That is why I said think of what can happen. To me it smacks of the awful rule we used to have of the "minimum release clauses" that were just stupid. |
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Posted on 18-02-2011 17:42
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Hence why I sold David Lopez Garcia to a team that I considered wasn't going to be a rival. The fact he then got sold on to Santander had nothing to do with me, and was the amount that mb clearly valued him at.
Wasn't Lopez Garcia the transfer you agreed with me, then the deadline passed so Roman got him instead.
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 18-02-2011 17:44
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Might have been. I forget who I was trying to plan against or not
It might have been that I wouldn't sell you a hilly rider (Rodriguez Oli.). |
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| beagle |
Posted on 18-02-2011 17:47
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if I really want Kessler and somebody who just came along makes higher offer to you, then I have to add more money - like in regular bid war
I understand it may seem like awful rule, but can you propose something better?
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| Crommy |
Posted on 18-02-2011 17:48
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The rule should remain as it's my rider and I'll do what I want with him
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| SotD |
Posted on 18-02-2011 17:49
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@Beagle. You have the opportunity to bid on every rider. If you don't get him because the other team doesn't like you, or like another person better then it's just too bad. Happens IRL also. I don't see why it should change. Rjc don't want to make transfers with me, and no matter how much I would like a couple of his riders I just have to accept that he plays a different ethics than I do. In my oppinion it's unethical not to treat everyone the same regarding transfertalks, and in his oppinion what I did to secure my main rival didn't get the best-cheap rider in the FA was unethical. I do however agree with him on that matter, and I agree that I acted in a very bad fellowmember-ship, which has been taking into account for my further part of playing the game. - But I have to respect him for having an oppinion on me, and some other managers, just like I have an oppinion on managers using a friendship to do some very scratchy deals.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 18-02-2011 17:52
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I think I may re-open chances of transfers with you SotD. At least till you do something silly again
And Crommy is just, well, right.
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| beagle |
Posted on 18-02-2011 17:52
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and because it´s a game, all managers should have same chances to play, not like IRL
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