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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 10-06-2013 22:16
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Obviously an easy win for Farrar tomorrow. 
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 10-06-2013 22:22
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baseballlover312 wrote:
fosforgasXIII wrote:
I thought Talansky was GC leader at Garmin and Martin got a free role.
Hesjedal should focus at Vuelta and worlds now.
No way Talansky is leading a GT.
Why not? He did at the Vuelta and became 7th. And he improved a lot since then. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-06-2013 22:22
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Schleck96 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
juszta wrote:
Selwink wrote:
Betancur is for more than a minute, Zabel is still for less 
Doesn't matter, the Betancur case is more recent 
Also, amazing ride by Dombrowski beating the likes of TVG and ... Kelderman! 
But the Zabel case is more famous.
Can someone explain me what this is about??
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https://www.youtub...mp;t=1m50s
This video is too bad quality to see Chalapud laughing
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 10-06-2013 22:27
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Oh I think I got it now, thanks. |
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| wogsrus |
Posted on 10-06-2013 22:47
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Sagan winning that type of stage.....
Unlucky from Meyer today, the pace of the race was so high early on, just didnt have the legs in the end. |
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| Squire |
Posted on 11-06-2013 01:20
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wogsrus wrote:
Sagan winning that type of stage.....
It's not that unheard of. Seems like everyone has forgotten Grosse Scheidegg in the 2011 Tour de Suisse. Then he was even younger.
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| wogsrus |
Posted on 11-06-2013 02:43
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Just watched it on youtube. That descent. Farrrk.
Think its more the fact that a top sprinter can get over a climb like that which is the main reason for my disbelief. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 11-06-2013 04:30
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wogsrus wrote:
Just watched it on youtube. That descent. Farrrk.
Think its more the fact that a top sprinter can get over a climb like that which is the main reason for my disbelief.
Sagan is a bit for than just a sprinter
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 11-06-2013 06:57
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Squire wrote:
wogsrus wrote:
Sagan winning that type of stage.....
It's not that unheard of. Seems like everyone has forgotten Grosse Scheidegg in the 2011 Tour de Suisse. Then he was even younger.
Exactly. When i saw the profile of stage 2 in Switzerland, Sagan winning it popped in my mind immediately. This stage was perfect for him and if the climb is not ver long, he can climb it with the best...and he did it also in the past (and in Suisse too).
People should learn that those Merckx comparsions were not just jokes...
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 11-06-2013 07:12
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You mean Sagan comes from a country among the half-dozen-or-so of countries providing pro cyclists to the peloton ? You also mean he's riding all year long like all his main opponents, thus getting the maximum (a huge palmares) thanks to his superiority ?
Really, I think Sagan's achievements are much more significant than most of Merckx, even though we'll have to wait for the end of his career to have a clearer idea. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 11-06-2013 07:16
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Aquarius wrote:
You mean Sagan comes from a country among the half-dozen-or-so of countries providing pro cyclists to the peloton ? You also mean he's riding all year long like all his main opponents, thus getting the maximum (a huge palmares) thanks to his superiority ?
Really, I think Sagan's achievements are much more significant than most of Merckx, even though we'll have to wait for the end of his career to have a clearer idea.
This.
It's a bit hard to compare. I'd rather compare Sagan to a Van Looy type. I don't think there'll be anyone quite like Merckx, who could literally do everything. (I know Sagan can climb decently, but this wasn't the Ventoux) |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 11-06-2013 07:31
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Ian Butler wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
You mean Sagan comes from a country among the half-dozen-or-so of countries providing pro cyclists to the peloton ? You also mean he's riding all year long like all his main opponents, thus getting the maximum (a huge palmares) thanks to his superiority ?
Really, I think Sagan's achievements are much more significant than most of Merckx, even though we'll have to wait for the end of his career to have a clearer idea.
This.
It's a bit hard to compare. I'd rather compare Sagan to a Van Looy type. I don't think there'll be anyone quite like Merckx, who could literally do everything. ( I know Sagan can climb decently, but this wasn't the Ventoux)
Just wait for it. 
I did not talk about the comparsion as the plamares-wise one (it is impossible in these years to match Merckx number of wins or so, cycling is different), rather as comparsion of all-around ability.
But i agree with both of you, we can left the judging to times we will have white beards and will sit in armchairs with the kitteh on the lap. 
Also good point Aquarius about the origin of Sagan, it is incredible that coutry like Slovakia produced such a cyclist, not Belgium or Spain.
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| Cossack |
Posted on 11-06-2013 08:01
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Sagan is just a pure talent, in Belgium or Spain some young training programs have big influence on amount of talents, when someone really talented appears, country doesn't really matter, but determination and success in finding a good (youth-wise) team. Similarly with Kwiatkowski or Majka in Poland, Polish training isn't that great, but they went abroad early and succeeded. |
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| Smowz |
Posted on 11-06-2013 08:11
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It may be a stereotype, but I have always thought the Poles and Slovaks to be a strong athletic hardy people.
A day later and I am still marvelling at the way Sagan rode there, he just looked invincible. Sagan is such a fantastic rider, fearless fast and fun. I love the way he competes in all the classics - okay the Ardennes this year was a dud - but he shows hunger for it all, a bit like say ... a cannibal
Such amazing endurance and all round skill. I wonder how many stages he'll go for here. Or will breakaways rob him?
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 11-06-2013 10:51
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Sagan will win the WC in very few years, he is an incredible rider, and he has no fear of attacking at all. Pure talent. |
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| fickman |
Posted on 11-06-2013 12:08
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I have read a lot about Dombrowski been one of the most talented joung riders but so far i must say im disappointed. IMO not near Pinot, Betancur, Majka, Quintana or Sagan level. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 11-06-2013 12:12
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He's at Sky. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 11-06-2013 12:17
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fickman wrote:
I have read a lot about Dombrowski been one of the most talented joung riders but so far i must say im disappointed. IMO not near Pinot, Betancur, Majka, Quintana or Sagan level.
He's being used as domestique, so he's had no freedom yet to be able to deliver results. Well in fact he's had some sort of a free role here in Suisse, doing very well in Crans-Montana, and crashing twice yesterday.
Don't forget he's a neo pro, while the other guys you listed have been pros for at least a couple of years more.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 11-06-2013 12:18
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fickman wrote:
I have read a lot about Dombrowski been one of the most talented joung riders but so far i must say im disappointed. IMO not near Pinot, Betancur, Majka, Quintana or Sagan level.
It's Dombrowski's first year in the European peloton. The riders you mentioned are all older plus are all in their third or fourth season in Europe pro peloton. (Except of Quintana)
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 11-06-2013 12:22
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fickman wrote:
I have read a lot about Dombrowski been one of the most talented joung riders but so far i must say im disappointed. IMO not near Pinot, Betancur, Majka, Quintana or Sagan level.
You're way harsh on him 1st year pro. And at Sky, all neo pros don't need to deliver any results in 1st year, just show good progression, it's 2nd year that getting results is more vital.
And did good two days ago, been unlucky yesterday.
P.S. Zabled quite badly
Edited by Alakagom on 11-06-2013 12:23
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