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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-12-2012 09:29
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No no, I'm well aware of the way riders don't see the tour
Nice 
but surely that just backs up my point?
Sorry, I don't understand how. Please explain.
Regarding the full squad, fair enough I was just making a suggestion as to a potential fit, and he may be ranked no.1, however he's let down by a poor TT and I don't think it's fair to say he's the best.
I agree he's not the best, but his TT has improved massively!
Remember Michael Rich? He was a meh rider, not really very good, but who studied every facet of the time trial intensely, and as a result became very good at it (as long as it wasn't a flat road with no corners, that's all about natural talent so he had no chance), even becoming an excellent time triallist.
At Katusha RodrÃguez has been working hard with Rich on his TT and the results have been stunning. Especially with the TTs at the Tour this year being both hilly.
Their are better punchers
I have to disagree there. On a short steep hill only Gilbert can maybe stay with him. I'd say he's the best in the world in a finish like that.
, there are climbers who can at least match him, and there are stage racers who can take him to pieces, he's strong everywhere and scored a lot of his points due to a weak field in the Giro D'Italia
Depends on his form. Hesjedal actually said his power numbers from the climbs trumped his entire previous career...and that career includes dropping Menchov, Sánchez, VDB, etc on the Tourmalet. So I'm not sure the Giro field was so weak.
Then at the Vuelta RodrÃguez was climbing amazingly well. In that form there's no telling what he could do. Contador (no idea how he compared to his best) couldn't match him, and Valverde was getting dropped. Mind you, Valverde has clearly stated his power numbers from this Vuelta were better than those from the 2009 Vuelta when he dropped Evans, Sánchez, Gesink, Basso and doped up Mosquera. Yet RodrÃguez still dropped him easily time and time again!
But form is fickle. Maybe he's still improving. Maybe he's reached his peak. Maybe he's already declining and won't reach past form ever again. There's no way to know.
But one thing's for sure, he's a contender with a Tour course like this
Edited by issoisso on 25-12-2012 09:38
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 25-12-2012 09:36
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You make some excellent points. I only know it would be an amazing, amazing 100th edition of the Tour if it would be Contador <-> Rodriguez like the Vuelta. What a spectacle that would be on the Mont Ventoux  |
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| Daggen |
Posted on 25-12-2012 15:32
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I don't like Rodriguez and I would be quite glad if he ends up without a team. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 25-12-2012 15:37
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Well even if you don't like him, you can't deny he brings a lot of show to the races with his attacking!
It'd be a loss to the cycling world, really. |
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| Daggen |
Posted on 25-12-2012 15:39
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Ian Butler wrote:
Well even if you don't like him, you can't deny he brings a lot of show to the races with his attacking!
It'd be a loss to the cycling world, really.
True and in a way I feel sorry for him. He were second in both the GTs he competed in. A bit Andy you could say |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 25-12-2012 15:41
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I completely disagree.
If anything, he's the opposite of Andy. Almost always in good form, and exciting to watch.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-12-2012 16:11
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Agreed, he's the opposite of Andy: He competes year round and gives it all every race, while Andy doesn't give a sh*t except for 2 races a season. He attacks and puts on a show while Andy is just extremely boring.
And the less said about Andy's massive ego and asshole personality the better, while RodrÃguez is always respectful of people around him. On Fuente Dé he had tears down his face, but the first thing he did was publicly congratulate Contador. Few people would do that, and Andy would be one of the last in the world to even dream of it.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 25-12-2012 17:26
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Andy would just be looking for someone to blame his bad performance on  |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 25-12-2012 17:38
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issoisso wrote:
but surely that just backs up my point?
Sorry, I don't understand how. Please explain.
I guess he meant that since the Tour isn't the only thing, and the other GTs are also pretty important, it wouldn't be such a bad decision for Purito to lead in Giro/Vuelta while Contador leads in the Tour.
Daggen wrote:
He were second in both the GTs he competed in.
2nd and 3rd actually 
On the "Purito exciting" topic, well, he does a lot of times only wait until the final kilometer or so to attack, but there's no comparison to Andy indeed.
And btw, I guess that was the first time I saw an isso's post in which he broke the other person's post in a lot of quotes but didn't crush each argument one by one, perhaps because it's Christmas?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-12-2012 17:56
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lluuiiggii wrote:
And btw, I guess that was the first time I saw an isso's post in which he broke the other person's post in a lot of quotes but didn't crush each argument one by one, perhaps because it's Christmas?
I was talking opinion there, not objective fact.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 26-12-2012 10:02
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Boy van Poppel joins his brother and father at Vacansoleil. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 26-12-2012 10:15
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Wilier wrote:
Boy van Poppel joins his brother and father at Vacansoleil.
<3 Like that transfer. Should evolve more their and with the help of riders like Feillu or Van Hummel, they should prove experience for him. |
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| Feketelaszlo |
Posted on 27-12-2012 23:45
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valverde321 wrote:
Its still Movistar, Radioshack or Garmin for me.
I dont think BMC need another rider like Purito, when Evans/ Van Garderen are both still there, as well as Gilbert.
Think outside the box! As world no. 1 money is just a secondary (not irrelevant, but secondary) thing for him when signing a contract - he said that Tour is the most important goal for him in 2013 - a team that can offer him to be the leader and can give him domestiques (maybe can sign 1-2 ex-Katusha riders for him: Moreno, Caruso, Florencio, Losada, Viciosó) will be the winner. I also say that Garmin or Movistar have a good chance of getting Purito for next year, but I guess Valverde and Hesjedal are both looking to lead their teams at the 100. TDF. What about Lampre, AG2R or Argos? None of them have a potential contender for the Tour - and yet they are not the richest teams, if I was Rodriguez I'd rather sign for a smaller team that can guarantee more freedom than for a big one already full of big fish. |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 28-12-2012 00:17
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Feketelaszlo wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
Its still Movistar, Radioshack or Garmin for me.
I dont think BMC need another rider like Purito, when Evans/ Van Garderen are both still there, as well as Gilbert.
Think outside the box! As world no. 1 money is just a secondary (not irrelevant, but secondary) thing for him when signing a contract - he said that Tour is the most important goal for him in 2013 - a team that can offer him to be the leader and can give him domestiques (maybe can sign 1-2 ex-Katusha riders for him: Moreno, Caruso, Florencio, Losada, Viciosó) will be the winner. I also say that Garmin or Movistar have a good chance of getting Purito for next year, but I guess Valverde and Hesjedal are both looking to lead their teams at the 100. TDF. What about Lampre, AG2R or Argos? None of them have a potential contender for the Tour - and yet they are not the richest teams, if I was Rodriguez I'd rather sign for a smaller team that can guarantee more freedom than for a big one already full of big fish.
You have a good point, but the thing with those teams full of big fish is that they also know how to protect their leaders and help them in the crucial stages way better than a team like Argos or Ag2r. Remember that with a stronger team, Purito might have won this year's Vuelta
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| issoisso |
Posted on 28-12-2012 01:14
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Feketelaszlo wrote:
Think outside the box! As world no. 1 money is just a secondary
Usually that would be true, but RodrÃguez has never signed a huge contract before the renewal with Katusha that only starts next season. The next contract he signs is going to be the only big paycheck he will ever get. Any other world number 1 would've had many before.
He can't possibly give that up.
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| Feketelaszlo |
Posted on 28-12-2012 11:47
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alexkr00 wrote:
You have a good point, but the thing with those teams full of big fish is that they also know how to protect their leaders and help them in the crucial stages way better than a team like Argos or Ag2r. Remember that with a stronger team, Purito might have won this year's Vuelta
It's true about AG2R, yet I wouldn't underestimate Argos - altough they are not so experienced, but they have some good legs on the mountains. But at Lampre Purito would get some of the best domestiques - Stortoni, Niemiec, Spezialetti, Serpa Perez, etc.
And as of money - I'm sure the signing of Rodriguez would attract many new sponsors or they could get more money from the current ones - and don't forget the possible UCI points - he's a very good "investment". For Argos it's just a phonecall to Osaka - I'm sure Shimano would gladly give some extra budget to see Rodriguez in their jersey. It's a very rare opportunity that such a rider goes to transfer-market in the last minute. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 28-12-2012 12:32
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Feketelaszlo wrote:
It's true about AG2R, yet I wouldn't underestimate Argos - altough they are not so experienced, but they have some good legs on the mountains.
What the? Ag2r has like 6 riders who are better climbers than Argos' best climber.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-12-2012 12:41
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Argos has climbers?
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 28-12-2012 13:03
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Argos has climbers?
Yeah, Kittel is a first class one as long as the route doesn't feature road bumps or worst. |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 28-12-2012 13:05
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Argos has climbers?
Yeah, they have a climbing ivy plant at there team HQ |
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