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sammyt93 |
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Ian Butler wrote:
Name | Nation | Team | DoB | Elliot Cook | Great Britain | Randstad | 4/12/1989 | Francis N. Vague | Belgium, Wallonie | Team BKCP-Powerplus | 7/11/1995 | Christian Schiltz | Luxembourg | Team BKCP-Powerplus | 11/2/1994 | Sylvain Lipawsky | Switzerland | Bauknecht-Author | 6/17/1992 | Matt Mazzarelli | Italy (Apulia) | Team Mapei | 11/17/1992 | Hafthor Eldfjallsson | Iceland | Team Odfjell | 11/26/1988 | Eddie Goldenberg | United States, NV | Blue Bell CX | 2/2/1993 | Milan Listerijn | New-Zealand | Team Lotto-Fidea | 2/9/1997 | Michael Bollinger | Australia | Glasgow City Council | 4/17/1995 | Shay Gormley | Ireland | Team Red Bull | 7/26/1991 | Mikel Hammarling | Sweden | Team Odfjell | 7/7/1988 | Baris Dao | Denmark | Randstad | 1/20/1991 | Estifanos Mutahi | Kenya | NamDeb CycloX Project | 4/22/1994 | Iban Etxeberdea | Spain (Euskadi) | Vittel | 5/1/1995 | Naveed Alinejad | Iran | Team Lotto-Fidea | 3/6/1992 | Tariq Faizullah | Afghanistan | Ittehad Chemicals | 2/16/1995 | Fred Markson | United States, NY | Blue Bell CX | 6/6/1996 | Sven Welling | Belgium, Flanders | Team BKCP-Powerplus | 3/23/1984 | Guido Visconti | Belgium, Flanders | Team Lotto-Fidea | 12/12/1996 | Max Power | United States, TX | Blue Bell CX | 1/12/1994 | Lachy Bauer | New-Zealand | All Blacks | 6/3/1988 | Rudy Verboven | Belgium, Flanders | Topsport Vlaanderen | 10/22/1993 | Jan Soucek | Czech Republic | Bauknecht-Author | 1/31/1993 | Gregory Bernard | Luxembourg | Torku Şekerspor | 2/1/1989 | Mustafa Moli | Namibia | NamDeb CycloX Project | 6/15/1994 | | | | | Name | Nation | Team | DoB | Arda Akdeniz | Turkey | Torku Şekerspor | 2/1/1993 | Karol Konva | Slovakia | Bauknecht-Author | 3/23/1991 | Ferdi Kloet | Netherlands | Randstad | 5/14/1987 | Pierre Lipawsky | Switzerland | Vittel | 9/21/1994 | Camilo Osorio | Colombia | Vittel | 9/22/1995 | Thijs Van Lookeren | Netherlands | Glasgow City Council | 12/20/1986 | Milan Vermeulen | Belgium, Flanders | Topsport Vlaanderen | 31/06/1993 | Timi Kokkonen | Finland | Team Odfjell | 7/6/1988 | Amadou Bakari | Gabon | Team BAKARI | 1/1/1987 | Mohuti Sow | Botswana | NamDeb CycloX Project | 9/30/1996 | Matthias Barthez | France | Vittel | 12/4/1988 | Dirk Accostella | Netherlands | Team Mapei | 5/5/1996 | Andrew McLaughlin | Great Britain | Glasgow City Council | 5/16/1990 | Stan Van Overberghe | Belgium, Flanders | Topsport Vlaanderen | 5/7/1992 | Nicky Van Drenthe | Netherlands | Randstad | 1/1/1992 | Alfonso Munoz | Spain | Giant-Alpecin | 5/8/1988 | Robert Wells | Great Britain | Glasgow City Council | 11/19/1986 | Fabrizio Lorenzi | Italy | Team Mapei | 5/12/1994 | Lars Lejeune | Belgium, Brussel | Topsport Vlaanderen | 1984 | Pierre Lavigne | France | Vittel | 7/14/1996 | Chris Young | Canada | Blue Bell CX | 10/06/1992 | Lars Van Hennep | Netherlands | Randstad | 12/24/1991 | Nic Hashir | Great Britain | Glasgow City Council | 1984 | Arthur Ledoux | New-Zealand | All Blacks | 01/24/1994 | Louis Listerijn | Belgium | Team BKCP-Powerplus | 04/05/1998 | | | | | Name | Nation | Team | DoB | Paul Rosanski | Germany | Giant-Alpecin | 06/25/1996 | Matt Payne | New-Zealand | All Blacks | 06/17/1996 | Robin Huser | Germany | Giant-Alpecin | 08/17/1996 | Daniel Bruggemann | Germany | Giant-Alpecin | 05/01/1982 | Olivier Dubois | Switzerland | Team Red Bull | 03/25/1989 | Alessio Forcellini | San Marino | Team Red Bull | 05/03/1997 | Pieter Van Dyck | Netherlands | Randstad | 1994 | Pépé Renoir | France | Vittel | 1993 | Henry Georges | France | Giant-Alpecin | 1993 | Mark D'Anvers | Belgium | Team Lotto-Fidea | 1980 | Jens Van Eyck | Belgium | Topsport Vlaanderen | 1995 | Toon Van Eyck | Belgium | Topsport Vlaanderen | 1997 | Dirk Lombaerts | Belgium | Topsport Vlaanderen | 1996 |
Some of the dates don't match up since it got screwed up using different formats, but the year is always correct
Now we are late October 2016.
Ian could we get this on the first page of the thread please, I had a bit of a hard time finding it when I wanted to check back how young Listerijn was for my Dubois post.
Also with the calendar are the rider's getting a week off after the Christmas Classic? Seeing as if Christmas is a Sunday then otherwise wouldn't Fujicross still be in December and Pyeongchang on New Years Day?
On an unrelated note, is there anyone Milan's not had an exchange with? he forgot to mention that he seems to have a rivalry with Dubois in his recent piece considering there's been comments going back and forth between the 2 a couple of times this season which I thought I'd continue to build on in my latest piece.
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sammyt93 wrote:
On an unrelated note, is there anyone Milan's not had an exchange with? he forgot to mention that he seems to have a rivalry with Dubois in his recent piece considering there's been comments going back and forth between the 2 a couple of times this season which I thought I'd continue to build on in my latest piece.
Well in general he's young (well, always young ) and a bit tetchy but generally a grounded guy who's still learning how to act with the CX world's eyes on him. I'd like to think his growing up in the CX World mirrors mine on the site I'd like to point out the thing with Dubois should never have happened as it started with one of my posts in the general thread afaik with a post about first names or smth iirc, which didn't reflect Milan's opinion
But with Dubois, interesting comments but Milan really had nothing much to talk about, but yeah he did want to get the point across He'll stay grounded though, don't worry. I think he's got a whole "media overestimate me but others underestimate me" thing going on, but he only gets annoyed with the media bit. I don't think he viewed Dubois as someone he disliked or had any beef with, more someone who he'd had an altercation with but had been resolved, as opposed to Goldenberg which was much more heated and although Milan is over it and has moved on, remains unresolved between the two. Nice post though and some food for thought for The Jack's next blog
To the point at hand, only three (two fairly minor) war of words, but he generally is immaturely fired up whenever someone disses him, but at the same time respects everyone and isn't really outwardly arrogant, as I have no real desire to rp someone who is wholly arrogant, say Cook (nothing against them or their users, btw). So Goldie was him baiting Milan and Milan falling for it after, idk really Matt I guess was baiting/poking him and saying
Milan being good but not good enough
which Milan handled pretty well for him. And Dubois was just differing opinions followed by Dubois implying that Mark would focus on Milan to tutor due to J7 sports, which Milan (or was it Mark?) pretty vehemently denied
In true Milan fashion, that got way too long from a simple disagreement
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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If Vague's collarbone is broken it's season end for him then. He alread lost the Superprestige due to injury once I don't want to see that happen again, at least not just yet
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Jeez 126 pages. Anyway Matt didn't even want to bait him, it was just his honest thought about Milan. What Matt says unless he explicitly states otherwise is always what his mind tells him to say
He doesn't give a fuck really
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sammyt93 wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Name | Nation | Team | DoB | Elliot Cook | Great Britain | Randstad | 4/12/1989 | Francis N. Vague | Belgium, Wallonie | Team BKCP-Powerplus | 7/11/1995 | Christian Schiltz | Luxembourg | Team BKCP-Powerplus | 11/2/1994 | Sylvain Lipawsky | Switzerland | Bauknecht-Author | 6/17/1992 | Matt Mazzarelli | Italy (Apulia) | Team Mapei | 11/17/1992 | Hafthor Eldfjallsson | Iceland | Team Odfjell | 11/26/1988 | Eddie Goldenberg | United States, NV | Blue Bell CX | 2/2/1993 | Milan Listerijn | New-Zealand | Team Lotto-Fidea | 2/9/1997 | Michael Bollinger | Australia | Glasgow City Council | 4/17/1995 | Shay Gormley | Ireland | Team Red Bull | 7/26/1991 | Mikel Hammarling | Sweden | Team Odfjell | 7/7/1988 | Baris Dao | Denmark | Randstad | 1/20/1991 | Estifanos Mutahi | Kenya | NamDeb CycloX Project | 4/22/1994 | Iban Etxeberdea | Spain (Euskadi) | Vittel | 5/1/1995 | Naveed Alinejad | Iran | Team Lotto-Fidea | 3/6/1992 | Tariq Faizullah | Afghanistan | Ittehad Chemicals | 2/16/1995 | Fred Markson | United States, NY | Blue Bell CX | 6/6/1996 | Sven Welling | Belgium, Flanders | Team BKCP-Powerplus | 3/23/1984 | Guido Visconti | Belgium, Flanders | Team Lotto-Fidea | 12/12/1996 | Max Power | United States, TX | Blue Bell CX | 1/12/1994 | Lachy Bauer | New-Zealand | All Blacks | 6/3/1988 | Rudy Verboven | Belgium, Flanders | Topsport Vlaanderen | 10/22/1993 | Jan Soucek | Czech Republic | Bauknecht-Author | 1/31/1993 | Gregory Bernard | Luxembourg | Torku Şekerspor | 2/1/1989 | Mustafa Moli | Namibia | NamDeb CycloX Project | 6/15/1994 | | | | | Name | Nation | Team | DoB | Arda Akdeniz | Turkey | Torku Şekerspor | 2/1/1993 | Karol Konva | Slovakia | Bauknecht-Author | 3/23/1991 | Ferdi Kloet | Netherlands | Randstad | 5/14/1987 | Pierre Lipawsky | Switzerland | Vittel | 9/21/1994 | Camilo Osorio | Colombia | Vittel | 9/22/1995 | Thijs Van Lookeren | Netherlands | Glasgow City Council | 12/20/1986 | Milan Vermeulen | Belgium, Flanders | Topsport Vlaanderen | 31/06/1993 | Timi Kokkonen | Finland | Team Odfjell | 7/6/1988 | Amadou Bakari | Gabon | Team BAKARI | 1/1/1987 | Mohuti Sow | Botswana | NamDeb CycloX Project | 9/30/1996 | Matthias Barthez | France | Vittel | 12/4/1988 | Dirk Accostella | Netherlands | Team Mapei | 5/5/1996 | Andrew McLaughlin | Great Britain | Glasgow City Council | 5/16/1990 | Stan Van Overberghe | Belgium, Flanders | Topsport Vlaanderen | 5/7/1992 | Nicky Van Drenthe | Netherlands | Randstad | 1/1/1992 | Alfonso Munoz | Spain | Giant-Alpecin | 5/8/1988 | Robert Wells | Great Britain | Glasgow City Council | 11/19/1986 | Fabrizio Lorenzi | Italy | Team Mapei | 5/12/1994 | Lars Lejeune | Belgium, Brussel | Topsport Vlaanderen | 1984 | Pierre Lavigne | France | Vittel | 7/14/1996 | Chris Young | Canada | Blue Bell CX | 10/06/1992 | Lars Van Hennep | Netherlands | Randstad | 12/24/1991 | Nic Hashir | Great Britain | Glasgow City Council | 1984 | Arthur Ledoux | New-Zealand | All Blacks | 01/24/1994 | Louis Listerijn | Belgium | Team BKCP-Powerplus | 04/05/1998 | | | | | Name | Nation | Team | DoB | Paul Rosanski | Germany | Giant-Alpecin | 06/25/1996 | Matt Payne | New-Zealand | All Blacks | 06/17/1996 | Robin Huser | Germany | Giant-Alpecin | 08/17/1996 | Daniel Bruggemann | Germany | Giant-Alpecin | 05/01/1982 | Olivier Dubois | Switzerland | Team Red Bull | 03/25/1989 | Alessio Forcellini | San Marino | Team Red Bull | 05/03/1997 | Pieter Van Dyck | Netherlands | Randstad | 1994 | Pépé Renoir | France | Vittel | 1993 | Henry Georges | France | Giant-Alpecin | 1993 | Mark D'Anvers | Belgium | Team Lotto-Fidea | 1980 | Jens Van Eyck | Belgium | Topsport Vlaanderen | 1995 | Toon Van Eyck | Belgium | Topsport Vlaanderen | 1997 | Dirk Lombaerts | Belgium | Topsport Vlaanderen | 1996 |
Some of the dates don't match up since it got screwed up using different formats, but the year is always correct
Now we are late October 2016.
Ian could we get this on the first page of the thread please, I had a bit of a hard time finding it when I wanted to check back how young Listerijn was for my Dubois post.
Also with the calendar are the rider's getting a week off after the Christmas Classic? Seeing as if Christmas is a Sunday then otherwise wouldn't Fujicross still be in December and Pyeongchang on New Years Day?
On an unrelated note, is there anyone Milan's not had an exchange with? he forgot to mention that he seems to have a rivalry with Dubois in his recent piece considering there's been comments going back and forth between the 2 a couple of times this season which I thought I'd continue to build on in my latest piece.
Good idea, I posted it at the bottom of the first post of this thread and will update it every year
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Posted on 16-04-2016 08:37
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According to the CX calendar Fuji is on the 4th of January (first Wednesday of January 2017) so the riders should have a week break. |
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Milan just starting fights with everyone. The guy clearly has some issues and entourage equivalent to Armstrongs pushing him forwards. The peloton needs to band together and deal with the agressive Bouhanni-esque lunatic that is Listerijn
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Posted on 16-04-2016 10:05
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Milan just starting fights with everyone. The guy clearly has some issues and entourage equivalent to Armstrongs pushing him forwards. The peloton needs to band together and deal with the agressive Bouhanni-esque lunatic that is Listerijn
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Posted on 16-04-2016 10:16
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Ian Butler wrote:
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Milan just starting fights with everyone. The guy clearly has some issues and entourage equivalent to Armstrongs pushing him forwards. The peloton needs to band together and deal with the agressive Bouhanni-esque lunatic that is Listerijn
Everyone except his eternal bro Lipawsky
<3
Also, I must tip my hat to TMM for doing it in this thread where I can't do anything
Edited by jandal7 on 16-04-2016 10:35
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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Sounds like Sylvain needs to start a fight with someone other than Vague.
Also, Ian, is it alright if Chetout races Alpe d'Huez?
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Posted on 16-04-2016 12:26
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trekbmc wrote:
Sounds like Sylvain needs to start a fight with someone other than Vague.
Also, Ian, is it alright if Chetout races Alpe d'Huez?
Unfortunately, the results are already in.
He could start if you want to, but he won't finish
Alpe is a tough race anyway, last year we didn't have too many finishers, so not the easiest cross to come from the U23 for the first time |
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Posted on 16-04-2016 12:40
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that pace Hopefully I can beat you to the buzzer with this blog post
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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Ian Butler |
Posted on 16-04-2016 12:42
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jandal7 wrote:
that pace Hopefully I can beat you to the buzzer with this blog post
Well I just did the result half an hour ago, using a break from work. Going back to work now
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Posted on 16-04-2016 12:53
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Ian Butler wrote:
trekbmc wrote:
Sounds like Sylvain needs to start a fight with someone other than Vague.
Also, Ian, is it alright if Chetout races Alpe d'Huez?
Unfortunately, the results are already in.
He could start if you want to, but he won't finish
Alpe is a tough race anyway, last year we didn't have too many finishers, so not the easiest cross to come from the U23 for the first time
Would it be ok if he starts but fails to finish? Just to keep consistency with what he said?
He's hopelessly inconsistent anyway, So not finishing is pretty likely.
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Ian Butler |
Posted on 16-04-2016 12:54
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trekbmc wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
trekbmc wrote:
Sounds like Sylvain needs to start a fight with someone other than Vague.
Also, Ian, is it alright if Chetout races Alpe d'Huez?
Unfortunately, the results are already in.
He could start if you want to, but he won't finish
Alpe is a tough race anyway, last year we didn't have too many finishers, so not the easiest cross to come from the U23 for the first time
Would it be ok if he starts but fails to finish? Just to keep consistency with what he said?
He's hopelessly inconsistent anyway, So not finishing is pretty likely.
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Posted on 16-04-2016 15:06
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jandal7 wrote:
Also, I must tip my hat to TMM for doing it in this thread where I can't do anything
Don't worry, you've mentioned Goldie enough times recently you'll get a game reply soon enough
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Posted on 16-04-2016 22:39
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Who is Chetout, I mean was there a character sign-up like with TMMs Young? At least he's not listed in the age-table (thanks sammy).. Don't really think it's important, just wondering about a new char joining midseason and would like to read up on him if there's a sign-up post in the General Thread.
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Posted on 16-04-2016 22:43
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Afaik he's a guy in the U-23s looking to join next year full time and a few races this year from this post. Iirc there was no public form, not that I'm bothered by there not being. Would be nice if he's joining us for a few races to see his sign-up though?
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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Posted on 17-04-2016 00:46
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@Jandal
didn't want to quote the long post but...
I wasn't counting the names thing, although that is a Dubois trait I should start building on in future blog posts of his so thank you for reminding me about that.
The other one you highlighted about the tutoring thing was meant as a backhanded criticism of Listerijn but more as a Mark's a great guy I get along with but I feel sorry for him kind of thing then a straight out dig at Milan.
I was talking more about the misunderstood sponsor discussion that Dubois took the wrong way stemming from a Listerijn post that I think was meant to be about the classics, the recent half dig about still being ahead of Dubois in one of the rankings (which I can't seem to find to quote) and the "going on about it" was meant as a tongue in cheek parody of what Milan said when Dubois first joined about how it seemed like the trials background and technical skills were something Olivier was highlighting too much.
I don't see it as an explosive rivalry between them but I get the impression that there is something there under the surface, sort of bubbling away, and at least from Dubois' perspective Milan's the rider he would be most annoyed at finishing second to.
I really wanted to pick up on the drinking thing before realising that Listerijn is 19 and not 17 as I first thought, I went with a stay grounded kind of message instead as that kind of seemed less aggressive but depending on how things play out (both between the two of them and in general) I might come back to that regardless.
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Here's Chetout's form then, the stats mean almost nothing though
Name: Blel Chetout
Nationality (region): France (Aquitaine)
Date of Birth: 21/3/1993 (22 years old)
Height: * 178cm
Weight: * 76kg
Specialty: ** Inconsistency: Will sometimes be spectacular in his performances, if he feels right. Sometimes he can just win a race out of nowhere.
Bad Weather Specialist: He's great in bad weather, he feels his best when everybody else feels their worst, well not always.*
Impulsive Rider
Weakness: ** Inconsistency: A lot of the time will struggle and not be able to keep up, winning a classification is almost impossible for him.
Bad in Good weather: Everybody else feels better when the sun is out, he doesn't usually.*
Handling Media
Impulsive Rider
*These are just general, he's an enigma with these things.
Biography: Blel was born in Bordeaux, France. He was an introvert by nature and loved to watch the tour de France. Seeing this inspired him to get out on the bike and he would ride for hours, loving training and at the age of 13 he showed up at his first race a road race near his home, he won, attacking from the start and staying away the whole race, he was amazed and more motivated then ever, but came back in a higher grade and lost badly. When the CX season came he wasn't liking riding his bike anymore but decided to give it one more go, his first CX race, in Aquitaine, flat except for a small sharp hill. The rain was pouring and they were considering calling the race off but given it was CX they didn't. The race began at a frantic pace, being inspired by the rain in a way but once they hit the first hill Blel went and wasn't seen again. He came back the next the next week and tried the same, but they wouldn't let him get away and he only won one more race that season. Still he loved it and throughout his young career he has had some terrible performances, in over a fifth of his races he has not finished or come last, but some spectacular wins as well, despite only ever finishing 2nd once. Still he's France's biggest hope to get back on the CX scene.
Stats: [Choose between: very low, low, medium, high, very high]
Bike Handling (technical): Very High - Very Low
Sand: medium - Low
Uphill: High - Very Low
Cobblestones: High - Medium
Sprinting: High - Very Low
Explosiveness: Very High - High
Flat (TT/riding hard): Very High - Very Low
Power: Very High - Very Low
Running: Very High - Low
Snow/Ice: Very High - Very Low
Jumping: Very High - Very Low
Here I've given relative stats, between a perfect day and a terrible day, all of these are relative of course. (Sorry that a lot of them are Very High to Very Low, for them the order of how good he is Explosiveness, Snow/Ice, Bike Handling, Power, Flat, Jumping)
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