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| kumazan |
Posted on 23-07-2012 22:52
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It's not that he's not showing "that kind of performance" again. He is rubbish this year. He's gone from winning almost any race he entered, until he ran out of steam in october, to zero wins so far this season. From the CQ points record to his worst season (barring a miracle) since ~2007. And all that just when he went from Lotto to a Ibarguren-less team*. Coincidence?
*I'm sure doping isn't the only cause of this. Not that I think that Pho... I mean BMC is clean or something.
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Hope you don't mind me asking, but what is a 'AUT' 
I guess he means a TUE - Terapeutic Use Exemption.
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| ruben |
Posted on 23-07-2012 22:54
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I_Mayo wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
No idea if it's mentioned before not how often, but I don't think I've ever read it here.
Not that much of a surprise anyway, is it ?
Well, at least to me, his performances look kind of believable. He is just built as an ironman. Has progressed steadily. Looked already strong in early career but many times wasted energy on stupid attacks and also didn't knew what his main specialization will be. Also has reached his peak around age 30, partly due to fact that has become a smarter rider.
Thomas Dekker also progressed normally from a young age. Yet he turned out to be very much doped.
Even linear progression says nothing anymore. F.ex Sinkewitz and Kessler also had a pretty normal growth rate from young rider to top hilly classics sriders... lol |
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 23-07-2012 23:00
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kumazan wrote:
*I'm sure doping isn't the only cause of this. Not that I think that Pho... I mean BMC is clean or something.
But that's the thing. To me Phonak v2.0 is a team where you can connect the right dots too. So maybe leaving Mr.Ibarguren isn't the real reason, or at least main reason.
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Even linear progression says nothing anymore. F.ex Sinkewitz and Kessler also had a pretty normal growth rate from young rider to top hilly classics sriders... lol
Kesslers spent his first 7 years riding for "that" type of teams. While Gilbert had 20 wins or so while riding for FDJeux which to me is one of the cleanest teams in peleton (you can correct me on that fact of course).
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| kumazan |
Posted on 23-07-2012 23:03
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I do think that it's a cause. One of them. Whether it's the main reason or a minor one I doubt we'll know for sure soon, but that news posted by Vien point to the former.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-07-2012 06:29
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sutty68 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Froome, Wiggins, Rogers, Porte.
Sagan must be one 
Dont even think about that. 
Edit: And Gilbert? Fact that he was able to repeat whar Rebellin did is a good sign alone.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 24-07-2012 07:09
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kumazan wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Hope you don't mind me asking, but what is a 'AUT'
I guess he means a TUE - Terapeutic Use Exemption.
Yes, it's what I mean. But as I've read it in "French" (marked AUT) in the middle of English language articles, I kept it that way.
About Gilbert : sure his progression seems "logical", but last year's season was just a huge step forward. Like he had kept progressing, when he should have stagnated (because of his age), for three years in a row, in just one Winter. He was like 50 Watts stronger than anyone, when he should barely have been able to match his main opponents.
His achievements this season, if you forget last year's one, also look plausible by him.
Hence, you've got to connect the dots, and they draw a shape that looks like Dr. Ibarguren. No, I've no idea what that doctor looks like. |
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| ricotero_uy |
Posted on 24-07-2012 19:33
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https://www.bicici...p?id=53795
You can use google to translate it.
Basically it says that Euskaltel Euskadi is still alive.
It will have a budget of 9M for the next season.
Samu Sanchez & Igor Anton will be the leaders
Mikel Landa & Ion Izagirre will be also part of the younger promises.
They want basque riders (or formed in the Basque Country) as leaders, but they will hire good riders from other places (like Rabobank, dutch base) in order to increase the team's strength.
Barredo & Dani Navarro are inside a list of 7 - 8 riders (non basque or developed in BC) that they are looking for.
After a cloudy start of the season, Euskaltel Euskadi see the sun for next year.
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| Heine |
Posted on 24-07-2012 19:36
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ricotero_uy wrote:
https://www.bicici...p?id=53795
You can use google to translate it.
Basically it says that Euskaltel Euskadi is still alive.
It will have a budget of 9M for the next season.
Samu Sanchez & Igor Anton will be the leaders
Mikel Landa & Ion Izagirre will be also part of the younger promises.
They want basque riders (or formed in the Basque Country) as leaders, but they will hire good riders from other places (like Rabobank) in order to increase the team's strength.
Barredo & Dani Navarro are inside a list of 7 - 8 riders (non basque or developed in BC) that they are looking for.
After a cloudy start of the season, Euskaltel Euskadi see the sun for next year.
I might have missed something, but what about Nieve? He's a really interesting rider in my eyes
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| ricotero_uy |
Posted on 24-07-2012 19:39
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Heine wrote:
I might have missed something, but what about Nieve? He's a really interesting rider in my eyes
May be he will be moving to another telecommunications sponsored team in Spain. But his name is not mentioned in many of the news I've read. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 24-07-2012 19:40
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So they finally dropped the Basque-only policy. Good. Surprised about Navarro btw, I thought (still think) he'll do his whole career with AC. Maybe he has enough with Hernández as his own Prudencio.
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| ricotero_uy |
Posted on 24-07-2012 19:43
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kumazan wrote:
So they finally dropped the Basque-only policy. Good. Surprised about Navarro btw, I thought (still think) he'll do his whole career with AC. Maybe he has enough with Hernández as his own Prudencio.
I hope Athletic Club never lose its philosophy.
Euskaltel have lost too many good riders because of budget limitations. Castroviejo and Beñat Intxausti were too of the biggest names.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 24-07-2012 19:57
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ricotero_uy wrote:
Euskaltel have lost too many good riders because of budget limitations. Castroviejo and Beñat Intxausti were too of the biggest names.
Hope they could come back too.
That's the thing. I don't care much about the philosophy itself. Sure, I disagree with it, but it kinda adds an special flavour, and it's caused an special connection with the Basque fans, so it's ok. The problem is that you can't keep a WT team nowadays with such a small market, so ultimately is good for the team to drop that policy, and I'm sure that will make them more competitive in the future.
Athletic Club is a whole different case, different sport, different conditions, etc.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 24-07-2012 20:06
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I'm not sure about the policy. If every WT team would do that, why not after all, and I could chauvinistically support Bretagne (Brittany).  But that'd exclude many strong riders, who don't come from a strong region or local area. |
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| Heine |
Posted on 24-07-2012 20:19
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I find it a bit sad they will go away from the philosophy, it made them unique. It is also something that fits for basques, considering that the patriotism, and the uniqueness of the basque. They've been trying to get their own countrey for atleast 500 years, most likely longer, they got their own (unique) language and their own culture. For some reason I felt it just fit that they got their own unique team (and all the time I've watched cycling there have come interesting riders trought their ranks)
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-07-2012 17:22
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kumazan wrote:
Athletic Club is a whole different case, different sport, different conditions, etc.
Different hipocrisy.
When Athletic hired a french basque instead of a spanish basque, ETA threatened to kill him.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 25-07-2012 17:26
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issoisso wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Athletic Club is a whole different case, different sport, different conditions, etc.
Different hipocrisy.
When Athletic hired a french basque instead of a spanish basque, ETA threatened to kill him.
I was referring to the sporting conditions there. Easier to compete in la Liga with their policy than in the WT, specially with the current wave of big money teams.
And I didn't know that about Lizarazu, source?
Edit: Ah, but they did the same with other Basque sportmen who had played for Spain or France. It wasn't a matter of being French or Spanish.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 26-07-2012 09:56
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Poels is out of the hospital.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/injur...heads-home
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 26-07-2012 12:14
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Really wish him a good recovery and hope to see him back in the saddle one day |
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| iNSUPERABLE |
Posted on 27-07-2012 14:44
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 27-07-2012 14:52
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He's leading RSNT at USAPCC now? 
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
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