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| Riis123 |
Posted on 17-04-2011 21:09
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The race didn't bored me. Actually, i guess it was a pretty exciting race. I think some you need to stop comparing the ardennes to the flaanders 
Fléche:
1. Purito
2. Gilbert
3. Sanchéz
4. F. Schleck
5. Contador
6. A. Schleck
7. Gesink
8. Cunego
9. Vino
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| Lachi |
Posted on 17-04-2011 21:54
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Kami wrote:
For some reason i think, that Andy's role today should have originally been Cancellara's.
I guess you wanted to say something like this:
I think that Leopard planned an attack from Cancellara. But because Cancellara was not there Andy tried it.
Yes, it could be, but I am not that sure. It doesn't need much brain to figure out that nobody can beat Gilbert in the uphill sprint. So anybody who wants to win this race must attack on the second last climb. Sadly Freire is right and Gesink (and/or his team) was to stupid to figure that out and nobody followed Andy. I am sure that either a Rabo-Rider or Andy would have won, if Gesink or the other Rabo-guy would have followed Andy. |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 17-04-2011 21:57
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Riis123 wrote:
The race didn't bored me. Actually, i guess it was a pretty exciting race. I think some you need to stop comparing the ardennes to the flaanders
Fléche:
1. Purito
2. Gilbert
3. Sanchéz
4. F. Schleck
5. Contador
6. A. Schleck
7. Gesink
8. Cunego
9. Vino
10. Gerrans
Gilbert is not starting  I think we may have Spanish podium but I still have high hopes for Columbian boy, Uran. His power ratings were amazing at Paris-Nice, but he didn't attack at right moments, if he rides as well as Gerrans rode today tactically, he has a podium chance.
1 on 1
mano a mano
Purito vs Pistolero
Catalunia vs Madrid
Katusha vs Saxo
Rodriguez vs Contador
Edited by Alakagom on 17-04-2011 22:04
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 17-04-2011 21:57
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why yoy guys think that Gilbert had been waiting when some guy had followed Andy's atack. If..If |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 17-04-2011 22:09
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You are right, we will never know. But one thing we know for certain, Rabo never tried to win this race.
They had Freire for the sprint, so what about Gesink, was he sleeping or was the team holding him back? |
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| ruben |
Posted on 17-04-2011 22:22
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You missed the crucial point.
They were dead, just surviving. They wanted, but couldn't.
Amstel Gold Race is a brutal race, where only the fittest survive. You can still hang on, but if your dead, your dead.
They definately tried to win the race by blowing it up at 100km to go.
By sending first LL Sanchez, then Barredo and then Tankink in the attack trying to make the race hard
But ultimately, you have to have the legs.
This is a crucial point you guys missed in wanting spectacle, wanting attacks, you can't attack or take over or work if you are cramping up even trying to follow.
Gesink and Martens could barely follow the pace on the final 10km, which are flat. If you can't take over, you can't work. And definately can't attack.
It's a very easy concept. But also very easily overlooked by enthousiasts such as you |
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| ruben |
Posted on 17-04-2011 22:25
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CrueTrue wrote:
What I don't understand is why almost no one decided to do anything until Cauberg. Schleck tried, Kolobnev also made an attack, but other than that, it was almost too easy for Gilbert.
Gilbert was under pressure by Schleck's attack and had to do some of the relaying himself. Imagine if a few more riders had attacked with Schleck...
Again, you missed the crucial point most cycling fans refuse to see.
They were dead.
Next time, try to watch the faces and the style on the bike, you can see who is dead and who is not very clearly.
You can't attack if you are already going 100% following.
You guys underestimate the character of the race. The race is too hard with 45 hills. Just he hills alone exhaust the riders, certainly when certain teams, especially Omega Pharma and Rabobank (from 100 to 80km), constantly ride a very hard pace
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| ruben |
Posted on 17-04-2011 22:27
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Aquarius wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
What I don't understand is why almost no one decided to do anything until Cauberg. Schleck tried, Kolobnev also made an attack, but other than that, it was almost too easy for Gilbert.
Gilbert was under pressure by Schleck's attack and had to do some of the relaying himself. Imagine if a few more riders had attacked with Schleck...
"Gilbert is the favourite, we'll mark him. It's important that we don't let him drop us, either now, either later in the race. Then we'll see what happens."
Then all that group of riders gets to the bottom of the last hill with Gilbert. Mission accomplished. And Gilbert whacks them. And they don't understand why...
Either they're retards (which is likely), either they're cowards (that's possible too), either "no one told me to attack" (how very likely is this ?).
Unless they were glad to simply be able to follow, but I'm not really buying that.
Or option 4, they were too exhausted and glad to be even following...
Oops, forget about that did we?
I do understand though,
At first I was mystified by the lack of action from Rabobank after the Eyserbosweg. But also the other contenders.
So I started paying attention.
I saw Vino's head almost explode. I saw Cunego didn't have it. I saw Gesink shaking his legs from cramping up. I saw Martens having difficulty closing little gaps.
Then I knew enough. They didn't have it and weren't going to try anything.
They could not.
Edited by ruben on 17-04-2011 22:30
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 17-04-2011 22:29
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Why did you use three posts to say the same thing? 
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| ruben |
Posted on 17-04-2011 22:30
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To react to people.
It's funny that so many people who watch cycling for so many years. Miss something like that.
Edited by ruben on 17-04-2011 22:31
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| issoisso |
Posted on 17-04-2011 22:31
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Flèche time.
No way Gilbert wins, the climb is far too long.
RodrÃguez or Contador? uhm.
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 17-04-2011 22:32
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Well, no way Gilbert wins in Flèche really, given he is not taking part.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 17-04-2011 22:33
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ruben wrote:
To react to people.
It's funny that so many people who watch cycling for so many years. Miss something like that.
Personally, it was quite obvious when Gesink started holding his calf/hamstring. And also when Gilbert went to the front for one of his first turns. On a downhill. And he split the group. But I don't blame people when we're given commentators who suggest they won [in years gone by] on a drink of whiskey.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 17-04-2011 22:35
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issoisso wrote:
Flèche time.
No way Gilbert wins, the climb is far too long.
RodrÃguez or Contador? uhm.
I wouldn't rule out Antón either. A Spanish 1-2-3 would be a nice medicine for all those French and Italian haters who envy us.  |
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| ruben |
Posted on 17-04-2011 22:40
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rjc_43 wrote:
ruben wrote:
To react to people.
It's funny that so many people who watch cycling for so many years. Miss something like that.
Personally, it was quite obvious when Gesink started holding his calf/hamstring. And also when Gilbert went to the front for one of his first turns. On a downhill. And he split the group. But I don't blame people when we're given commentators who suggest they won [in years gone by] on a drink of whiskey.
Exactly, it was quite obvious, Which it why I find it funny that people like CrueTrue and Aquarius don't notice it.
But people nowadays don't pay attention to details.
And ofcourse it's easier to see on a GIANT screen on the Cauberg then on a TV, even if in HD.
Plus we saw the riders coming by on the first cauberg passage and you could already see most were dead and buried, even if they were still in the first group |
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| Anonymer |
Posted on 17-04-2011 22:44
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kumazan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Flèche time.
No way Gilbert wins, the climb is far too long.
RodrÃguez or Contador? uhm.
I wouldn't rule out Antón either. A Spanish 1-2-3 would be a nice medicine for all those French and Italian haters who envy us.
You probably mean who envy your drugs - spanish meat rules, doesn't it ? |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 17-04-2011 22:47
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rjc_43 wrote:
we're given commentators who suggest they won [in years gone by] on a drink of whiskey.
I thought that was the best thing Kelly has said in years. Made me laugh anyways.
More random amusing thingys please, I don't care how exciting or not the race is, Humour is a win.
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| Kami |
Posted on 17-04-2011 22:57
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The only way i might have seen Gilbert beaten in todays way would have been Gilbert going first on the Cauberg and Purito following instead of the other way around.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 17-04-2011 22:59
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Anonymer wrote:
kumazan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Flèche time.
No way Gilbert wins, the climb is far too long.
RodrÃguez or Contador? uhm.
I wouldn't rule out Antón either. A Spanish 1-2-3 would be a nice medicine for all those French and Italian haters who envy us.
You probably mean who envy your drugs - spanish meat rules, doesn't it ?
It. Is. Delicious. Still not as good as Chinese and Mexican meat, though. We'll need a bit more of that special ingredient they use.
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 17-04-2011 23:01
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fenian_1234 wrote:
As for Frank Schleck, he needs some of these.
Give him a break for once, Cancellara crashed right in front of Frank, hadly his fault for once.
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