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Le Tour de France 2015 | Stage 18: Gap - Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 23-07-2015 18:19
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deek12345 wrote:
thank god for Bertie amd Nibs today thats all ,ones that have the balls to attack
Exactly  I dunno what Quintana or Valverde are waiting for. Valverde puts Froome under stress and the columbian just follows the brit's wheel and attacks early on the final climb. No other way to beat Froome. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 23-07-2015 18:25
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deek12345 wrote:
thank god for Bertie amd Nibs today thats all ,ones that have the balls to attack
Quintana and Valverde attacked aswell but difference is Sky actually cares about them to chase them back.
Doesn't fit the narrative though.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 23-07-2015 18:33
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Alpe d'huez is going to be one hell of a stage, can't wait |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 23-07-2015 18:37
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It's impossible for Quintana to take time on Chris froome if his teammates are still there to protect him. The only way Quintana could take time is by Movistar team dropping all froome teammates and then send valverde for an attack on the climb and let froome chase him since he would be tired after that and then Quintana make an explosive attack, not small attacks where froome can follow on the saddle. That's the Only scenario if Quintana wants to win but I don't see that happening since Quintana and valverde already lose hope and feel very comfortable in 2-3 position |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 23-07-2015 18:38
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Regarding Birdsong getting his wings clipped; I agree on the fact that riders are not supposed to worry about being run down by motorcycles, cars, etc. However, the riders still need to be aware of their surroundings.
From the photos I've seen, he makes a very sudden and very sharp turn straight to the right. This is absolutely impossible for the drivers to safeguard against. On several occasions (especially up climbs) you see riders who are done pulling at the front, suddenly veer to the side and nearly stop dead in their tracks. If, as some people suggest here, the drivers have to take this into account (more than normally) it's going to be damn near impossible to pass anyone. Sure, it doesn't happen every time, but if you try to anticepate everything, you'll never be able to do anything.
Sure, the motorcyclist might have been a bit too fast on the trigger when trying to move past, but there is no way he could have anticepated Fuglsang moving to the side like that.
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 23-07-2015 18:42
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Well, no matter what we think.
The motorcyclist is now history in the TdF and he probably wont be back any time soon. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 23-07-2015 20:07
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dark_x2012 wrote:
deek12345 wrote:
thank god for Bertie amd Nibs today thats all ,ones that have the balls to attack
Exactly I dunno what Quintana or Valverde are waiting for. Valverde puts Froome under stress and the columbian just follows the brit's wheel and attacks early on the final climb. No other way to beat Froome.
Well Valverde was clearly under pressure today, because he got dropped on the 2nd last climb, but made it back on the descent. Quintana did look strong though, and I feel like he doesn't keep his attacks going. He probably could have tried going with Nibali on the 2nd last climb at the top, and then descended together and maybe gained a small gap. He might have got chased down, but you dont know if you dont try...
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 23-07-2015 20:15
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Jacdk wrote:
Well, no matter what we think.
The motorcyclist is now history in the TdF and he probably wont be back any time soon.
Which is good.
I wouldnt put all the blame on the motor, but definetely more his fault than Birdies imo. What tips it for me tho was that he almost also rode into Hesjedal. Not acceptable at all - if any doubt, dont pass. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 23-07-2015 20:27
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do you know they are team mates? |
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 23-07-2015 20:30
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Jacdk wrote:
Well, no matter what we think.
The motorcyclist is now history in the TdF and he probably wont be back any time soon.
doubt it, the driver that hit Flecha in 2011 has also been back in the tour for a while
Edited by SSJ2Luigi on 23-07-2015 20:32
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 23-07-2015 20:32
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valverde321 wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
deek12345 wrote:
thank god for Bertie amd Nibs today thats all ,ones that have the balls to attack
Exactly I dunno what Quintana or Valverde are waiting for. Valverde puts Froome under stress and the columbian just follows the brit's wheel and attacks early on the final climb. No other way to beat Froome.
Well Valverde was clearly under pressure today, because he got dropped on the 2nd last climb, but made it back on the descent. Quintana did look strong though, and I feel like he doesn't keep his attacks going. He probably could have tried going with Nibali on the 2nd last climb at the top, and then descended together and maybe gained a small gap. He might have got chased down, but you don't know if you don't try...
Well I meant before that. I think Valverde is already too exhausted and the race is basically over but still there are two stages left and it would be a very pleasant surprise Quintana to give Froome a hard time. At least he can't wait anymore and will have to go for it.  |
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| carlos_valverde |
Posted on 23-07-2015 21:55
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-07-2015 06:56
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What do you think? 
Ofc i know, but they never looked like ones, at least Valverde does not give a shit about anyone else then himself.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 24-07-2015 07:28
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
What do you think?
Ofc i know, but they never looked like ones, at least Valverde does not give a shit about anyone else then himself.
Valv definitely seems more concerned with Nairo than he ever has in the past. Atleast in the first week it looked like he was definitely supporting him.
Nairo still seems more concerned with Valv than Valv seems with Nairo as of the last few stages.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 24-07-2015 07:55
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Spilak23 wrote:
deek12345 wrote:
thank god for Bertie amd Nibs today thats all ,ones that have the balls to attack
Quintana and Valverde attacked aswell but difference is Sky actually cares about them to chase them back.
Doesn't fit the narrative though.
So true Spilak, everyone here seems to think Quintana isn't trying hard enough but seem to forget that Froome and Sky know Quintana is there only rival and chase him down at every time he try's something. Also anybody who thinks Valverde should attack more needs to realise that he doesn't have it on the big mountain passes and in reality will do well to hang onto the back wheels of the big climbers for the rest of the race.
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 24-07-2015 08:12
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Strydz wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
deek12345 wrote:
thank god for Bertie amd Nibs today thats all ,ones that have the balls to attack
Quintana and Valverde attacked aswell but difference is Sky actually cares about them to chase them back.
Doesn't fit the narrative though.
So true Spilak, everyone here seems to think Quintana isn't trying hard enough but seem to forget that Froome and Sky know Quintana is there only rival and chase him down at every time he try's something. Also anybody who thinks Valverde should attack more needs to realise that he doesn't have it on the big mountain passes and in reality will do well to hang onto the back wheels of the big climbers for the rest of the race.
You can't drop Froome with a little acceleration. The fact Froome didn't even have to get out of the saddle means:
a) Quintana is weak; OR
b) Quintana should go for a longer and more powerful attack. |
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| Smowz |
Posted on 24-07-2015 08:16
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I guess the problem people have is that Movistar don't seem to want to sacrifice Valverde fully for Quintana. In truth not sure how they could do it on stage 17 and 18 though. These two stages were mainly a test of downhill strength.
Movistar can actually claim some success in that regard through luck mainly in that Conta crashed an lost two more minutes, whilst TvG got ill.
You do get the feeling they could rid the favourites group of all but the big 4 (I include Thomas, Gesink, Scarponi in that) if they really played their cards to the full. But they are possibly saving that for stage 19, or at least I hope they do.
Valverde hasn't quite been as protective of Quintana as Thomas has of Froome but that said Valverde just is not used to playing that role at all.
I do agree however it is very one eyed to go mad at Movistar for failing to drop Froome - jesus at least Movistar didn't completely collapse on that dreaded first Pyrenees stage. Since then Nibali and Conta have been far better - there has been huge focus on Froome and the endless whining and debating about w/kg and all that complete load of BS (I include the stupid Sky rest day 2 press conference in that). The real reason though this is now a 2 horse race is because Nibbles and Conta blew up on the first mountain stage.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 24-07-2015 08:44
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The fact that Contador and Nibali have fallen away is bad news for Quintana really, in terms of Valverde. If Valverde was no higher than 5th he may have been more willing to sacrifice himself more, but he has had a TdF podium goal for a number of years - so now it is actually quite possible to achieve that, a bit of self-interest has kicked in.
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| clamel |
Posted on 24-07-2015 09:47
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About that Motorcycle getting wild...
I read somewhere that he was Norwegian, then earlier jokes about taking out the Dane perhaps wasn't a joke. Big feud between these nations on who has most stage wins.
Sure that is malicious thinking, but after living in Denmark some years ago there is a rivalry going on. Like Scots vs Brits I guess. Norway was after all a part of Denmark for a very long time.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 24-07-2015 13:47
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
What do you think?
Ofc i know, but they never looked like ones, at least Valverde does not give a shit about anyone else then himself.
yeaah right. You really need start following races..or you misssed first week completely? Valverde was there looking after Nairo all the way. |
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