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Who to expect in the Vuelta?
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| 547984 |
Posted on 05-08-2013 21:31
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| fickman |
Posted on 05-08-2013 22:02
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romaniangoat wrote:
Nieve will work for Samy,Kreuziger will go for stages win and riders like Pozzovivo,Ten Dam aren't really consistent.Imo Scarponi isn't better than Basso.Also Pinot still suffer from his throat infection.Mollema will come after TdF and probably he will be exhausted.
With a bit ok luck Basso can top 5.
ps: Sorry for my bad english...
After the disappointing Tour Sanchez said he will have to see how he feels and then decide if he is going for the GC or just Stage win, that means Nieve will have a free role and lets face it Sanchez its geting old.
I read somewhere Pinot its fine and is already preparing Vuelta so who knows.
Ten Dam was last Year 8 after doind Tour as well so I wouldnt rule him out.
Pozzivivo has been in the last 2 Years Top 10 at Giro and thats pretty consistent for me, but iirc he has never done 2 GT in 1 year so we would see.
About Mollema u might be right.
If Scarponi isnt better than Basso why was he more the 1:30 min ahead of him on last year Giro???
The only plus that Basso has is that he is the only one who hasnt rode a GT this Year so he might have good legs but agian he is with Sachez the oldest GC contenders at Vuelta. |
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| Anderis |
Posted on 05-08-2013 22:08
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Spilak23 wrote:
Vaughters has said multiple times Martin doesn't have the recovery to go for a good GC in a GT.
Where he said that? When?
Dan said himself he believes he can do well during GTs. He was having good Vuelta 2011, where 40 seconds penalty and ilness during TT day costed him a possible top6 place. He came 4th during last mountain stage there so his recovery couldn't be that bad. This TdF he was going well also, set to finish in the top10 until he got ill.
Not to mention that Vaughters had said before this year's TdF that he believed Garmin had multiple GC options for that race, including Martin.
Anyway, I read that Stetina should be a GC leader for Vuelta. It's actually a time to try to ride for himself during some serious races. I'm also curious if Howes can became any kind of GC contender after strong Tour of Poland. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 05-08-2013 22:12
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Anderis wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Vaughters has said multiple times Martin doesn't have the recovery to go for a good GC in a GT.
Where he said that? When?
Dan said himself he believes he can do well during GTs. He was having good Vuelta 2011, where 40 seconds penalty and ilness during TT day costed him a possible top6 place. He came 4th during last mountain stage there so his recovery couldn't be that bad. This TdF he was going well also, set to finish in the top10 until he got ill.
Not to mention that Vaughters had said before this year's TdF that he believed Garmin had multiple GC options for that race, including Martin.
Anyway, I read that Stetina should be a GC leader for Vuelta. It's actually a time to try to ride for himself during some serious races. I'm also curious if Howes can became any kind of GC contender after strong Tour of Poland.
Vaughters has said in the past that Dan doesn't have great recovery, and that's why he goes for stages and classics. But before the TDF he said that he felt Dan was slowly progressing in the area.
I don't think Stetina has any potential as a GC conteder, at least in a GT. He is a super domestique.
Howes has always been more of a puncheur, but he never really has been on the Pologne level. Interesting to see him play out.
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| Anderis |
Posted on 05-08-2013 22:26
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baseballlover312 wrote:
I don't think Stetina has any potential as a GC conteder, at least in a GT. He is a super domestique.
Well, he had an impressive Giro in 2011. He had a good chance of finishing his first GT somewhere near 15th if he didn't have to help Le Mevel.
Didn't show much progress since then, though. It may be a matter of being always a domestique, though. He needed to help Hesjedal during Giro 2012, Vande Velde during USA Pro Cycling Challenge in 2012 and Martin this year in Catalunya, where all he seemed to be in reasonable shape.
baseballlover312 wrote:
Howes has always been more of a puncheur, but he never really has been on the Pologne level. Interesting to see him play out.
He seemed to be quite useful in mountain for the team during USA Pro Cycling Challenge last year. I expected him to show his climbing ability as soon as he is able to improve his generall sporting level. Didn't expect him to do it this summer.  |
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Posted on 05-08-2013 22:37
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Anderis wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Vaughters has said multiple times Martin doesn't have the recovery to go for a good GC in a GT.
Where he said that? When?
Dan said himself he believes he can do well during GTs. He was having good Vuelta 2011, where 40 seconds penalty and ilness during TT day costed him a possible top6 place. He came 4th during last mountain stage there so his recovery couldn't be that bad.
Not the best example tho, since the 2011 Vuelta had a ridiculously easy final week, without any mountain stages. The 4th place on stage 16 was on Peña Cabarga, which is more of a hill.
As for Stetina, Im looking forward to see what he can do. He climbed tremendously in Catalunya earlier this year and would've finished top 10 in the GC if he hadn't popped on the final stage.
A stage win à la Martin 2011 might be within reach for him.
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| Anderis |
Posted on 05-08-2013 23:36
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If both Stetina and Martin are going for Vuelta, Garmin should add Danielson to the roster as well.
I've counted 4 times they all finished a race and out of these 4, they won team classification 3 times, Martin won overall twice, was second once and fourth once. Definetely a combination which brings good luck to the team.  |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 05-08-2013 23:58
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Danieslon has already ridden 2 GTs and I think is helping VDV defend USAPCC
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 06-08-2013 00:17
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
Anderis wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Vaughters has said multiple times Martin doesn't have the recovery to go for a good GC in a GT.
Where he said that? When?
Dan said himself he believes he can do well during GTs. He was having good Vuelta 2011, where 40 seconds penalty and ilness during TT day costed him a possible top6 place. He came 4th during last mountain stage there so his recovery couldn't be that bad.
Not the best example tho, since the 2011 Vuelta had a ridiculously easy final week, without any mountain stages. The 4th place on stage 16 was on Peña Cabarga, which is more of a hill.
As for Stetina, Im looking forward to see what he can do. He climbed tremendously in Catalunya earlier this year and would've finished top 10 in the GC if he hadn't popped on the final stage.
A stage win à la Martin 2011 might be within reach for him.
Same. I remember watching him I think it must have been in 2010 and I thought he'd be a good talent. He hasn't really progressed since joining Garmin at all though, but before that I kind of thought he'd atleast get to near the level of where Talansky is now.
He actually got a great result this year at he Gran Premio Miguel Indurain, showing he's definitely a strong rider on the hills. But if the Tour de Langkawi is anything to go off of, he's not as strong on the longer climbs. I reckon he'd do better hunting for stages, but who knows. The climbs at the Vuelta (for the most part but not all) suit him more than the Genting Highlands climb probably does.
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| Anderis |
Posted on 06-08-2013 10:33
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Danieslon has already ridden 2 GTs and I think is helping VDV defend USAPCC
I know he won't do Vuelta. I just wanted to underline it's a lucky combination for Garmin (Danielson+Stetina+Martin).
About Stetina: I disagree he is much stronger on hills than on the longer climbs. I think he is a typical climber, just didn't have a proper peak form in the hardest races since Giro 2011.
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| fickman |
Posted on 06-08-2013 12:52
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Anderis wrote:
About Stetina: I disagree he is much stronger on hills than on the longer climbs. I think he is a typical climber, just didn't have a proper peak form in the hardest races since Giro 2011.
Isnt a climber supose to be good at Mountains??? U mean he is a typical puncher |
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| Anderis |
Posted on 06-08-2013 16:36
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That's a misunderstanding. In my opinion Stetina can be as good or even better in high mountains than at hills. |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 07-08-2013 18:22
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Lotto - Belisol's pre-selection.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 07-08-2013 18:24
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Will be intresting to see if Vanendert is motivated to go for a good GC. (De Greef definatly will  )
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 07-08-2013 18:45
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Should Henderson be sprinting for himself or leading out others (Reynes, Van der Sande...)? |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 07-08-2013 23:43
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Hansen doing another GT? Crazy.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 08-08-2013 06:41
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CountArach wrote:
Hansen doing another GT? Crazy.
7th in the row, or something like that? Really crazy
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Posted on 08-08-2013 13:55
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MartijnVDD wrote:
Should Henderson be sprinting for himself or leading out others (Reynes, Van der Sande...)?
For himself I suppose, he's way better than Reynes or Van der Sande. Reynes used to be a decent sprinter but I can't recall him getting a good result in a mass sprint the last years, he gets used as a domestique now. Van der Sande isn't a sprinter, he can be fast in weak sprinters field after a slightly hilly stage. He's a bit like Meersman, but less good. |
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Posted on 08-08-2013 14:02
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I'm curious about Vanendert's form level (both physically as mentally) in the Vuelta. I hope he can get a good result, but I doubt it. De Greef and De Clercq (if he recuperated well from TdF) should be able to get a top 20.
And Bellemaekers doing two GT's in his first year on WT-level would be a bit surprising to me. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 08-08-2013 17:13
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Mollema saying in a new interview he is definately going for the Vuelta for a GC. Not just stagewins or preparation.
He says it should be possible to peak twice in a season. Also says he will do a 10 day training camp to prepare |
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