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Giro d'Italia 2013 - Week 1
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 30-04-2013 11:29
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Ian Butler wrote:
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What would Basso do at Tour ? Nothing. This is his only chance at best top get his last Top 5 in a GT.
Anyway, not really greatly bald prediction but this might be finally the year that Pirazzi get his desereved Giro stage win.
Top 5 might be out of reach, though, with this field. But we'll see 
If there is a Sky train for Wiggins like in the Tour. Basso might actually be able to podium. The Sky train is probably the best thing that can happen to him.
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| mowinckel91 |
Posted on 30-04-2013 11:33
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Spilak23 wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
What would Basso do at Tour ? Nothing. This is his only chance at best top get his last Top 5 in a GT.
Anyway, not really greatly bald prediction but this might be finally the year that Pirazzi get his desereved Giro stage win.
Top 5 might be out of reach, though, with this field. But we'll see
If there is a Sky train for Wiggins like in the Tour. Basso might actually be able to podium. The Sky train is probably the best thing that can happen to him.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 30-04-2013 11:36
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kumazan wrote:
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I'm currently watching the 2010 Giro to psyche myself up. I.E. the best GT of the past 5 years. Really interesting to see where some of these riders have gone. Wiggins was still a prologue specialist 
Where can you watch the entire Giro of 2010?
You can download it from cyclingtorrents.
This. You can get either individual stages or someone has made a set of 3 highlights DVDs which cut sprint stages down to the last 10 or so kilometres.
That's a dangerous thing to do. I did that last year, and the contrast of an awesome GT with a terribly dull one caused me suicidal tendencies.
I know, I know But at the same time this year has all the makings of a really great race so I'm hopeful that it is worth getting excited about.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 30-04-2013 11:54
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Jesleyh wrote:
Nah, seriously, you've got a point with Tiralongo, he's a great domestique.
But agree with me, who'd you prefer as extra domestique, Brajkovic or Kangert?
Tiralongo & Aru would ride the Giro anyway, so it's a loss fo the team that Brajkovic didn't participate, since it's not like Aru/Tiralongo replaced him, they were extra domestiques.
Yeah, i know, but i was reacting on your point "I don't see anyone who could help him as good in the mountains as Janez here..."
Because i can, Aru and Tiralongo at least.
And Kangaert is also great domestique btw. real flat and rolling terrain powerhouse...
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 30-04-2013 11:54
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
Nah, seriously, you've got a point with Tiralongo, he's a great domestique.
But agree with me, who'd you prefer as extra domestique, Brajkovic or Kangert?
Tiralongo & Aru would ride the Giro anyway, so it's a loss fo the team that Brajkovic didn't participate, since it's not like Aru/Tiralongo replaced him, they were extra domestiques.
Yeah, i know, but i was reacting on your point "I don't see anyone who could help him as good in the mountains as Janez here..."
Because i can, Aru and Tiralongo at least.
Well, we disagree here then, Aru is a big talent, but not as good as Brajkovic yet.
And Kangert was just a random non-Aru/Tiralongo name from the Astana line-up
Edited by Jesleyh on 30-04-2013 11:55
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 30-04-2013 11:58
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Jesleyh wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
Nah, seriously, you've got a point with Tiralongo, he's a great domestique.
But agree with me, who'd you prefer as extra domestique, Brajkovic or Kangert?
Tiralongo & Aru would ride the Giro anyway, so it's a loss fo the team that Brajkovic didn't participate, since it's not like Aru/Tiralongo replaced him, they were extra domestiques.
Yeah, i know, but i was reacting on your point "I don't see anyone who could help him as good in the mountains as Janez here..."
Because i can, Aru and Tiralongo at least.
Well, we disagree here then, Aru is a big talent, but not as good as Brajkovic yet.
And Kangert was just a random non-Aru/Tiralongo name from the Astana line-up
Did you see Trentino mountain stages? Aru was ruling there and if he can carry form to the Giro also, he can be a key domestique.
Brajko is great rider, but i think leading the team later in the season is better suited to him, than helping Nibali.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 30-04-2013 11:59
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Well, and don't send me angry letters after this, is Brajkovic really that good and invaluable? This is Nibali we're talking about. Brajkovic is a decent stage racer, but Aru and Tiralongo are also great domestiques and Nibali is not like Wiggins, he can handle certain situations even isolated, I believe.
Either way, if Brajkovic would be the key to Nibali's Giro win, tough luck then, but I don't think so. If Nibali can win the Giro this year, he'll do it, with or without Brajkovic. I think |
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 30-04-2013 12:02
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Brajkovic, Aru, Kangert and Tiralongo are all great in leading the peloton in the mountains, perhaps Astana can try to win the white jersey with Aru next year?
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 30-04-2013 12:07
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Tiralongo is a top mountain domestique. He hadn't really anyone to work for these last two Giro's (Kreuziger) but took a stage in both of them.
Don't think Brajkovic and Aru are on his level as domestiques.
There is a reason why both Cunego and Contador value him so much!
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 30-04-2013 16:47
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Lotto-Belisol changes its startlist
Kaisen won't ride the Giro due to a fall in the Tour of Turkey. He will be replaced by Brian Bulgac. Wellens who already withdrew from Giro participation due to knee problems last week, will be replaced by Vicente Reynes. |
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 30-04-2013 18:06
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Nin1388 wrote:
cio93 wrote:
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I'm sorry to say, Hesjedal might make it into top 10 but I don't see him winning. Nibali and Wiggins are in way better shape that him. This year he has not even won a race or come close to winning any, yes he attacked in LBL but couldn't make a sustained effort, could he.
Lol.
He was alone for 10k and still pulled that monster effort to keep the gap to Nibali.
Yes but Nibali had just won Giro del Trentino few days before and not to forget Tirreno Adriatico. Hesjedal seems to be only helping his teammate, first in Volta Catalunya and then LBL. Dan Martin seems to be better bet for Garmin to win Giro compared to Hesjedal. I'm still not convinced he can defend his title.
But Dan Martin was peaking for those races and clearly had a top chance of winning, while Hesjedal was still building towards the Giro. Dan Martin is also a very good climbler, but Hesjedal is a better time trialist and proven GT rider.
It would also be too long for Martin to maintain that form and he would be over done mid way through the opening week.
Hesjedal will be hitting top form right on time, with pretty fresh legs. He will certainly be a contender for a Top10, and i think a Top5. If he climbs as well as last year (which is looking a good bet) then a podium is a real possibility.
But of course Hejsedal is not going to defend his title! Its a two horse race between Wiggins and Nibali. No-one will be able to beat them by normal means (i don't mean drugs, i mean crashes etc)
Well if its taking that long for Hesjedal to get to form then I think he is just in time for 2014 Giro. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 30-04-2013 18:09
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@Nin
Hesjedal can definitely do something here. The Giro win will probably be Wiggins vs Nibali, but Hesjedal is an outsider, and to me, definitely the best bet for 3rd place. Who knows, maybe he'll even grab the win when Sky & Astana are concentrating just on each other
Nah, but he's definitely a better bet for Garmin than Martin would've been for the GC.
Edited by Jesleyh on 02-05-2013 09:25
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| kumazan |
Posted on 30-04-2013 18:10
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Nin1388 wrote:
Well if its taking that long for Hesjedal to get to form then I think he is just in time for 2014 Giro.
Hesjedal's first part of the season has been almost identical to last year. I think it worked out just fine then, so I see no reason to think it won't now.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 30-04-2013 18:27
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Nin1388 wrote:
Well if its taking that long for Hesjedal to get to form then I think he is just in time for 2014 Giro.
He beat Nibali in LBL, so thats something
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 30-04-2013 19:22
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OPQS
Brambilla, Cavendish, Golas, Keisse, Pauwels, Pineau, Steegmans, Trentin & Vermote
Everyone for the train except Brambilla who'll be protected for GC by Pauwels. Would have liked Meersman there, few good stages for him, but overall, OPQS should get at least 2 wins from Giro.
Good GC depends, Brambilla has been riding kinda shity so far this season, so no real expectations as it always is with Quickstep.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 30-04-2013 19:54
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Meersman will only be riding the Vuelta |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 30-04-2013 21:59
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Giro's Iphone App has those squads listed for those two teams:
Garmin: Hesjedal, Danielson, Dekker, Haas, Howes, Hunter, Millar, Stetina, Vandevelde.
Danielson is a very good addition to the team. Weaker compared to Astana/Sky but still quite strong.
BMC: Evans, Cummings, Lodewyck, Morabito, Oss, Phinney, Santaromita, Van Avermaet, Wyss.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 30-04-2013 22:29
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Hesjedal getting Danielson is a good addition. With Danielson, Vande Velde, Stetina and Dekker potwntially for Hesjedal they actually have a pretty good squad.
Glad they didn't skip out for California.
Who would they even have left for that?
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
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| alex valceanu |
Posted on 30-04-2013 22:42
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Hesjedal getting Danielson is a good addition. With Danielson, Vande Velde, Stetina and Dekker potwntially for Hesjedal they actually have a pretty good squad.
Glad they didn't skip out for California.
Who would they even have left for that?
Farrar , Talansky , dunno . But the Giro team is quite good indeed .
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 30-04-2013 23:32
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so... anyone predicting that the top 2 won't be Wiggins/Nibali (in whatever order)? |
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