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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 04-02-2021 09:05
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Should've had someone in the break. Shouldn't have relied on Zepuntke in a hilly race. ALL my riders outside the top 100 or time limit despite FIVE having COB >=74 is a disgrace, even if they have a very very very very bad day.
The only positive thing is Vesely surviving the time limit but knowing the AI he has to sacrifice himself on the next stages so Zepuntke doesn't lose more time...
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That must be some record after one stage 
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 04-02-2021 09:18
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Choo choo m*therf*ckers!! 
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Posted on 04-02-2021 09:26
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Oh Bikex  ranting works, first AGR and now this 
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| roturn |
Posted on 04-02-2021 09:47
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King Power really on fire here.
From a relegation point of view, not ideal for all teams at the bottom. But the combination of Lutsenko/Kasperkiewicz is definitely PT worthy. |
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| quadsas |
Posted on 04-02-2021 09:52
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Yeah baby we in scoring position! Ovsya is god damn BEAST wow
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Posted on 04-02-2021 10:19
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Not terribly surprised that Blythe couldnt hang on but the gap is certainly much larger than i would have hoped. Hoped for a lower top 10 or at least a top 15 before the race but that will be difficult now when he is 4 minutes behind the top 10 already. Budenieks once again with a great performance - being the best Evonik rider on the day as a strong 22nd.
Now the hope is that Eislers will deliver in the sprints.
Sick stage for King Power, congrats to Bikex! Will be interesting whether they can keep their GC positions.
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| whitejersey |
Posted on 04-02-2021 10:46
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Massive result for Bikex here! Content with our result on this stage, even with the GC somewhat settled already from here on out I'd be pretty alright with this result, GVK held on a lot longer than I'd expect to be honest, especially looking at riders like Tom David who did significantly worse.
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| ryant |
Posted on 04-02-2021 11:01
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Got to say that was a pleasant first stage. As expected, its too hard for Fenn but Van Baarle was in the break so I liked our chances and it pays off with a nice 3rd place! Still the last stage seems harder than I remember so we have to hope for the best in that regard.
Also, there's a lot of damn good sprinters here so Cullaigh will be in with a hard time getting close to a top 10!
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| Bikex |
Posted on 04-02-2021 11:04
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Wow, Nemolito you should report all of my races! Certainly did not expect that! 
I was really confused when I saw Kasperkiewicz join the break, but in the end it was definitely the right call. He also got very lucky with Summerhill's puncture. I doubt the gap would've been enough else. What's probably even more impressive is Hsu and Vanthourenhout finishing with the big favorites in 7th and 8th. I'm not sure how that was possible with some of the far stronger riders dropped. Maybe their comparably good mountain stat helped them a little with this profile.
I believe I got actually a decent team to defend the race lead with some strong flat specialists. I'd be very happy if the upcoming three flat stages can be completed without major incidences and then a showdown on the final cobbled stage. Seeing how strong Summerhill was here again, I don't think the gap will be enough to hold him off, but it'd be great to not drop too much from the three great positions we hold in the current GC.
tsmoha wrote:
That's even worse than I expected it to be. Not sure how a Hi 75 Co 78 guy can finish outside the Top 60 here, but since it has been bad since his first race for us, I can state two things about Tom David:
1. He's a joke.
2. Probably the worst deal I've ever done in the MG.
Sorry 
Even though I wasn't very happy with David's season last year, I really thought he could do better. Last year he had at times some good results, which made me think that more should be possible. Maybe he suffers because of rather weak team support?
Maybe it makes you feel better the guy I raised money for with the David deal, Reis, is doing equally shit. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 04-02-2021 11:07
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78 for a cobbled leader seems to be ignored by PCM AI I guess.
Similar with van Hooydonck, who despite having decent backups and clearly should be around 20th-35th regularly, often struggled to get a top100.
Guess with just +1 or +2 in cobbles, both would be a lot stronger. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 04-02-2021 11:17
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roturn wrote:
78 for a cobbled leader seems to be ignored by PCM AI I guess.
Similar with van Hooydonck, who despite having decent backups and clearly should be around 20th-35th regularly, often struggled to get a top100.
Guess with just +1 or +2 in cobbles, both would be a lot stronger.
Welcome to the world of massive and problematic stat inflation. 78 in anything isn't special at all (apart from maybe FL), even in CT.
If you're not pushing 80+ you run the risk of being totally ignored by the AI, and will rely on having a stronger leader to have the AI keep you in the mix.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 04-02-2021 11:29
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roturn wrote:
78 for a cobbled leader seems to be ignored by PCM AI I guess.
Similar with van Hooydonck, who despite having decent backups and clearly should be around 20th-35th regularly, often struggled to get a top100.
Guess with just +1 or +2 in cobbles, both would be a lot stronger.
In hindsight, maybe it would've been better to keep the cobbled sectors as 5*. That way the cobble stat would count for more and leaders with 78CB would do comparably better. At least last year when I had Tom David as a leader he would regularly finish between 10th and 30th in cobbled classics. My main problem with him was that he did extremely poor in the hilly stages of Tour of Northern Europe, but that is another issue. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 04-02-2021 11:30
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TheManxMissile wrote:
roturn wrote:
78 for a cobbled leader seems to be ignored by PCM AI I guess.
Similar with van Hooydonck, who despite having decent backups and clearly should be around 20th-35th regularly, often struggled to get a top100.
Guess with just +1 or +2 in cobbles, both would be a lot stronger.
Welcome to the world of massive and problematic stat inflation. 78 in anything isn't special at all (apart from maybe FL), even in CT.
If you're not pushing 80+ you run the risk of being totally ignored by the AI, and will rely on having a stronger leader to have the AI keep you in the mix.
78 climbers at least are riding according to their stats and come in around 15th-25th GC plus breakaway chances a lot of times.
78 puncheurs can do well here and there plus breakaways.
78 sprinters actually perform decently here and there. Not sure about stats right now but Contreras in Giro won a stage.
For cobblers, the amount of suited race days is very limited and their breakaway value is not the biggest neither, so it seems to be a bit more unlucky than other terrains I guess.
Not a lot to do there I guess. Definitely not short term and changing games can immediately change the line of AI ignorance anyway +- 1-2 stats. |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 04-02-2021 11:47
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roturn wrote:
78 for a cobbled leader seems to be ignored by PCM AI I guess.
Similar with van Hooydonck, who despite having decent backups and clearly should be around 20th-35th regularly, often struggled to get a top100.
Guess with just +1 or +2 in cobbles, both would be a lot stronger.
I've seen many 78 cobblers being treated reasonably well: Breen and Bush had overperformances (at least last year), others did reasonably well. I think it's a lot about positioning - if your leader is just too weak in comparison to other riders, you're sitting at the end of the peloton, which means you constantly have to close gaps on cobbles that riders at the front don't have to close. That's why you have to spend much more energy just riding in the pack and you're more at the risk of being distanced by a split caused by a weaker rider ahead of you closing the gap. It's not about the cobbled stat, it's about weak positioning due to being seen as worse than the opposition and the AI not fighting for positions as irl captains do. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 04-02-2021 11:56
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roturn wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
roturn wrote:
78 for a cobbled leader seems to be ignored by PCM AI I guess.
Similar with van Hooydonck, who despite having decent backups and clearly should be around 20th-35th regularly, often struggled to get a top100.
Guess with just +1 or +2 in cobbles, both would be a lot stronger.
Welcome to the world of massive and problematic stat inflation. 78 in anything isn't special at all (apart from maybe FL), even in CT.
If you're not pushing 80+ you run the risk of being totally ignored by the AI, and will rely on having a stronger leader to have the AI keep you in the mix.
78 climbers at least are riding according to their stats and come in around 15th-25th GC plus breakaway chances a lot of times.
78 puncheurs can do well here and there plus breakaways.
78 sprinters actually perform decently here and there. Not sure about stats right now but Contreras in Giro won a stage.
For cobblers, the amount of suited race days is very limited and their breakaway value is not the biggest neither, so it seems to be a bit more unlucky than other terrains I guess.
Not a lot to do there I guess. Definitely not short term and changing games can immediately change the line of AI ignorance anyway +- 1-2 stats.
And even on this stage we've got <78CB riders in the top20. So it's more about luck than anything, just that with inflation more riders get ignored and struggle. We can only have 20 riders in the Top20, and we have more than 20 rider with stats capable of that.
But when you miss that leader to support your odds definitely drop, in part because inflation has meant there are a lot of potential leading options.
Eg. 11 Teams in this race turned up with an 80+CB rider. And There are 23 riders +78CB. So at least 3 rider will miss out just because there are only 20 spaces in the Top20. Lets boost a couple of <77CB's in support of those 11 Team leaders, a couple of surviving breakaways, and one or two lucky randoms. That Top20 is now very crowded with 30+ reasonable options.
Put that against a standard game DB that PCM is designed for, which would have half the amount of 80+ riders, half the +78 riders and so on. In that situation a rider like David or van Hooydonck would be a lot higher up the ranking and almost guaranteed to get a reasonable AI dice roll. But with the significant stat inflation those good AI Dice rolls are harder and harder to get at all stat levels.
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Anyway, my usual inflation rant done, because it even bores me these days. And you never know, there's the final stage to come!
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| Yellow Jersey |
Posted on 04-02-2021 13:50
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Wow King Power with one of those massive days congratulations! Unfortunately you are now the ultimate prey but that win was deserved, bad luck struck for Summerhill but god damn he still obliterated the competition, there is one more cobbled stage where we absolutely need to repeat this performance and take that so desired 1st place!
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 05-02-2021 08:40
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Look, I want Atlantius to return as much as anyone else, but I do feel letting Manninen win every sprint is a bit too much.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| redordead |
Posted on 05-02-2021 08:48
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Ollfardh wrote:
Look, I want Atlantius to return as much as anyone else, but I do feel letting Manninen win every sprint is a bit too much.
"I am a cyclist, I may not be the best, but that is what I strive to be. I may never get there, but I will never quit trying." - Tadej Pogačar
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 05-02-2021 08:48
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 05-02-2021 08:49
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Of course 11th. Two more chances then..
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