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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 29-02-2020 19:33
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Ahmad Zamri had a good stage and has left him in a stronger position than I expected, hopefully he can bring it home well in the TT.
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 29-02-2020 20:07
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Yeah this race won't bring us any points
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| cio93 |
Posted on 29-02-2020 20:08
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jandal7 wrote:
cio93 wrote:
Yeah in case you missed the Giro prologue, that's a mountain, not a hill.
Same will go for stage 3.
Seems like the same went for stage 2 as well at least in terms of AI leadership choices, with Areruya and Grmay both well ahead of Bazhkou and not staying with him.
Oh yes absolutely, I was just referring to the TTs.
Any effort too long to dot 90 through it will be for the MO stat.
Sucks that Kelderman is again affected by it, I start to feel bad for demanding such a transfer fee...
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| DaveTwoBob |
Posted on 29-02-2020 20:55
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Great effort by Shushemoin to try and get us some points from this race but with the final climb giving so many he couldn't quite get into the KOM top 3. Great to see him holding off the pack on that second KOM climb, gave the Kraftwerk camp something to cheer about 
Edit - just reviewed the report again and really like the screenies Tamijo, good variety of viewpoints and nice composition
Edited by DaveTwoBob on 29-02-2020 21:03
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| ryant |
Posted on 29-02-2020 21:05
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Not sure if we are in such a bad position for a top 10 with Koren here, but I'm not too confident tbh...
Lets hope we can pull something out the bag here!
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| Mresuperstar |
Posted on 01-03-2020 08:09
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Those gaps on stage 2. Fraile probably threw away a good podium chance. But, Carter Jones... I see you.
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 02-03-2020 16:03
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Satisfactory ending. Rensburg and Haga both getting themselves into the top twenty. Three wasted RD for Claeys.
Thanks for the reports Tamijo and congrats fjhoekie!
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| jaxika |
Posted on 02-03-2020 16:25
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Goodish results from Carapaz in the absence of Choi, Domagalskis place its a nice plus
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 02-03-2020 17:11
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Well quite disappointing. Shikai really should have done better, and Rolland should have not lost time on the other days and we really could have had a great race.
Great job on the reports. Showing all Top 25 GC riders really helped to follow exactly how things unfolded.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 02-03-2020 17:32
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It may not look like a mountain TT. It may not be rated as a mountain TT. But in PCM 18, it's a mountain TT.
Thanks for the reports. Wasted race for us as I suspected.
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 02-03-2020 18:59
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Not exactly a mountain ITT actually.
If it was a mountain TT there would be only top climbers in top 10, seperated by their TT skills.
What you have here is all rounders able to climb fairly well and with a good to great ITT. out of the
13 +77 climbers in the race only two made in into top 10 both very good tempo riders.
The issue is that 95% of the best tempo riders here was absolutely horrible climbers, and you just can't compete in moders cycling if you climb like an amateur, unless of course the route is pancake flat.
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 02-03-2020 20:30
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Ahmad Zamri did well to gain a top 10 GC here, looks like I got parts of my planning correct, just need more races like this to try and stop us drifting too far below the relegation fight.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 02-03-2020 20:49
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Tamijo wrote:
Not exactly a mountain ITT actually.
If it was a mountain TT there would be only top climbers in top 10, seperated by their TT skills.
What you have here is all rounders able to climb fairly well and with a good to great ITT. out of the
13 +77 climbers in the race only two made in into top 10 both very good tempo riders.
The issue is that 95% of the best tempo riders here was absolutely horrible climbers, and you just can't compete in moders cycling if you climb like an amateur, unless of course the route is pancake flat.
Never expected it to be a pan flat route, but it is flat rated and the climbs are short, so logic from every PCM in the past tells you hill would be the more measurable difference in climbing vs. TT, where it exists. Here we see that's hardly the case.
Steensen, finishing over 5 minutes behind and mid way down the pack, doesn't "climb like an amateur," he's got 72 hill, which is previous iteration would have been helpful here. Based on the profile, rating, and past experience, mountain should have little role, and Steensen should not do great, but probably in the 20-30 range. Instead he was handily beaten by Jonas Bjellmark, who has 68 hill (-4) and 73 TT (-4), but much higher mountain. The difference there had to be mountain.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 02-03-2020 21:04
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TL;DR if it's below 84 effort, it's a mountain. Even if it's just 500 metres long.
We just have a DB that historically didn't feel a need to at least somewhat link the MO and HIL stats to be realistic.
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| Bjartne |
Posted on 02-03-2020 21:36
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Another horrific result, Sterobo at least saving us some modest points from this race today. Thanks for the detailed and welll-written reports Tamijo! |
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| ryant |
Posted on 02-03-2020 21:45
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Koren underperformed in the end I feel, top 10 may have been ambitious but I feel he could have done better in the end. Tennant 3rd on the stage is a pleasant surprise though so I'll take the few points it will give me... :/
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 02-03-2020 22:12
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Tamijo wrote:
Not exactly a mountain ITT actually.
If it was a mountain TT there would be only top climbers in top 10, seperated by their TT skills.
What you have here is all rounders able to climb fairly well and with a good to great ITT. out of the
13 +77 climbers in the race only two made in into top 10 both very good tempo riders.
The issue is that 95% of the best tempo riders here was absolutely horrible climbers, and you just can't compete in moders cycling if you climb like an amateur, unless of course the route is pancake flat.
Never expected it to be a pan flat route, but it is flat rated and the climbs are short, so logic from every PCM in the past tells you hill would be the more measurable difference in climbing vs. TT, where it exists. Here we see that's hardly the case.
Steensen, finishing over 5 minutes behind and mid way down the pack, doesn't "climb like an amateur," he's got 72 hill, which is previous iteration would have been helpful here. Based on the profile, rating, and past experience, mountain should have little role, and Steensen should not do great, but probably in the 20-30 range. Instead he was handily beaten by Jonas Bjellmark, who has 68 hill (-4) and 73 TT (-4), but much higher mountain. The difference there had to be mountain.
I was just explaining that it was still different from a MO ITT, where MO is the most important, here it was a good combo of MO and ITT. Punch was not very helpfull or maybe not helpfull at all.
Comparing to Pre16 PCM is not rationel, we know be now that Hill translate to Punch, so hill will not help you climb unless it a late short uphill at a very high pace.
So if you are a below 70 something MO often you wont even get that far.
The Hill icon actually says “semi-mountain” as it has actually alway been
, (previous years we just fixed it now we can’t)
Edited by Tamijo on 03-03-2020 06:48
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| redordead |
Posted on 03-03-2020 05:57
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A nothing race for us really, as expected. Kasa finishing top 50 at least doesn't make it a 0 pts race 
Congrats to all the winners and thanks to Tamijo for the reports
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 04-04-2020 08:07
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Brilliant racing from Pluchkin Finally the win we wanted all those years in this race, and have been close to with Nepomnyachsniy in the past.
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