Hi! I want to download the database, but i can't validate my account. The links they send me in a mail are not valide. It gives me error when i want to enter them. What can i do?
Hi Andrepg,
Since you didn't answer my last PM, I've decided to post the few questions I have here, and also some bug reports that you guys can fix.
- you've described PCM.daily using non-HD resized jerseys as being a "joke". Since you did the exact same thing for several teams, does it mean you're labelling your own work as a "joke"?
- do you have any opinion on ripping off parts of other DBs without any sort of credit, or without asking? And while we're at it, re-sizing PCM12 stuff to PCM13 takes literally 5 to 10 seconds. It's definitely not something hard enough so that you'd rather copy them from other DBs instead of re-sizing them yourself.
- the dossards that you have copied from Daily's DB should go in 3D/Cyclists, not only .../3D.
- copying stuff also needs attention sometimes. The regen.xml usually is adapted to one DB's STA_country/STA_region; the regen.xml used in Daily's DB, logically, is synchronized with Daily's STA_country and STA_region. If you copy it to other DBs, you might get some bugs, like China riders having Spanish names. Additionally, it's been known for some time that there was some sort of bug with that regen file which made the game crash randomly sometimes; you should copy the one that will be included in the Expansion Pack, it'll have this bug fixed.
- the same goes for a few of the Gui/carriere files. For some reason, no one reported it but there was an interesting problem with them in Daily's DB, the CT and PCT logo were the same. Thus if you copy the files of Daily, you're also copying this bug. You should copy the version included in the PCM13 Real Name DB, which fixes that.
- The ChampsElysees and Velodrome logos already work the way it's set in Daily's DB; thus, only copying it was enough, no need to add a folder called "italian" (because the game doesn't come with such folder for the monuments).
- As a general feedback: I'm not sure why all the files that have come with the game have been re-added in the Landscapes, Podiums and Sprints folders. You only need to add the files that actually change (logos, banners, etc). You should check this "bug" even in some race-specific folders, like the Giro Podium folder (88 MB, could be 7 like the other races without the useless files). Likewise, on the "italien" folders, you don't need re-add all the races again (same logic as the monuments), that only takes up a lot of extra space for nothing. You can make a much lighter pack by taking out most of these files.
To finish, I want to remember that no, PCM.daily's DB isn't a closed box which no one can touch; like it says in the installation file, it's licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0 and people are free to use it as a base for a DB, and by extense, to use stuff from it - it is, after all, a work by the community. But the main condition of that (see license) is "Attribution", which I've seen none.
I could possibly not be writing this weren't it for some attitudes that I dislike, besides the lack of attribution: although the license does not make it necessary, a message to f.e. CrueTrue wouldn't be a bad gesture. Additionally, including work (of community interest, like stuff for real teams) only in the pack ( = not release it in the community), at the same time that you copy a nice amount of work from another DB is, to say the least, ironic. Sharing has to go both ways in order to work.
Lastly, I want to reiterate that I'm not criticizing the work of you guys; in fact, I mentioned several things that would make the pack better. You guys produce very good stages and graphics (though the sharing policy of some of that could be better thought...), but some actions concerning this pack specifically, I just have to disagree with. I hope you'll continue doing and sharing your work, but hopefully something can be learnt from this. Otherwise, I think you should reconsider what you label "a joke".
Edited by lluuiiggii on 14-08-2013 03:04
lluuiiggii wrote:
Hi Andrepg,
Since you didn't answer my last PM, I've decided to post the few questions I have here, and also some bug reports that you guys can fix.
- you've described PCM.daily using non-HD resized jerseys as being a "joke". Since you did the exact same thing for several teams, does it mean you're labelling your own work as a "joke"?
- do you have any opinion on ripping off parts of other DBs without any sort of credit, or without asking? And while we're at it, re-sizing PCM12 stuff to PCM13 takes literally 5 to 10 seconds. It's definitely not something hard enough so that you'd rather copy them from other DBs instead of re-sizing them yourself.
- the dossards that you have copied from Daily's DB should go in 3D/Cyclists, not only .../3D.
- copying stuff also needs attention sometimes. The regen.xml usually is adapted to one DB's STA_country/STA_region; the regen.xml used in Daily's DB, logically, is synchronized with Daily's STA_country and STA_region. If you copy it to other DBs, you might get some bugs, like China riders having Spanish names. Additionally, it's been known for some time that there was some sort of bug with that regen file which made the game crash randomly sometimes; you should copy the one that will be included in the Expansion Pack, it'll have this bug fixed.
- the same goes for a few of the Gui/carriere files. For some reason, no one reported it but there was an interesting problem with them in Daily's DB, the CT and PCT logo were the same. Thus if you copy the files of Daily, you're also copying this bug. You should copy the version included in the PCM13 Real Name DB, which fixes that.
- The ChampsElysees and Velodrome logos already work the way it's set in Daily's DB; thus, only copying it was enough, no need to add a folder called "italian" (because the game doesn't come with such folder for the monuments).
- As a general feedback: I'm not sure why all the files that have come with the game have been re-added in the Landscapes, Podiums and Sprints folders. You only need to add the files that actually change (logos, banners, etc). You should check this "bug" even in some race-specific folders, like the Giro Podium folder (88 MB, could be 7 like the other races without the useless files). Likewise, on the "italien" folders, you don't need re-add all the races again (same logic as the monuments), that only takes up a lot of extra space for nothing. You can make a much lighter pack by taking out most of these files.
To finish, I want to remember that no, PCM.daily's DB isn't a closed box which no one can touch; like it says in the installation file, it's licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0 and people are free to use it as a base for a DB, and by extense, to use stuff from it - it is, after all, a work by the community. But the main condition of that (see license) is "Attribution", which I've seen none.
I could possibly not be writing this weren't it for some attitudes that I dislike, besides the lack of attribution: although the license does not make it necessary, a message to f.e. CrueTrue wouldn't be a bad gesture. Additionally, including work (of community interest, like stuff for real teams) only in the pack ( = not release it in the community), at the same time that you copy a nice amount of work from another DB is, to say the least, ironic. Sharing has to go both ways in order to work.
Lastly, I want to reiterate that I'm not criticizing the work of you guys; in fact, I mentioned several things that would make the pack better. You guys produce very good stages and graphics (though the sharing policy of some of that could be better thought...), but some actions concerning this pack specifically, I just have to disagree with. I hope you'll continue doing and sharing your work, but hopefully something can be learnt from this. Otherwise, I think you should reconsider what you label "a joke".
I was sure that I have answered to your last PM, probabily there was a problem.
In that comment I exaggerated and I'm sorry, also becouse you explained the reasons. But I didn't this thing for "several thing", the non-HD resized shirts are very few.
For everything else, this pack is restart by 0 and fot this needed a starting point to see how to structure it, so something has been taken from the daily expansion pack, but it was not our intention to copy it, and in future versions will all be 100% by the cymITA. We were wrong not to warn CrueTrue and We're very sorry for this. The things that we didn't succeded to do is really the tip of the iceberg, we worked hardly and I wouldn't want to pass this pack only as a copying. We needed an initial push, but we did it in silence, sorry again for this.
Edit In the 1.1 some things realised by daily will be substitute (regen...)
Edited by Andrepg on 15-08-2013 11:04
I have still yet to figure out why instead of coping DBs. The people who have expansions with more rides, teams, races and stages. Dont combine the ideas into 1 great DB.
ASO is good, PCM is good...and so on. But if it took just a little longer, can you imagine what would happen if you combined many of the DBs into 1?
More stages, races, riders, teams. And better graphics, stats and traning. Overall nobody would not want to use a DB like that. But instead we have copies, thefts of parts and general hassel.
Why dont the creators of 3-4 DBs and expansions get together somehow (perhaps Skype) and make a solid DB with everything any PCM player could want? Not only would the game be more enjoyable for all. But, perhaps the makers of the DB may earn something from such a project. Perhaps licenes the DB and charge a fee for it later at some point.
I would love (Im sure may would) to see what would a DB like this be like.
Matrix wrote:
I have still yet to figure out why instead of coping DBs. The people who have expansions with more rides, teams, races and stages. Dont combine the ideas into 1 great DB.
ASO is good, PCM is good...and so on. But if it took just a little longer, can you imagine what would happen if you combined many of the DBs into 1?
More stages, races, riders, teams. And better graphics, stats and traning. Overall nobody would not want to use a DB like that. But instead we have copies, thefts of parts and general hassel.
Why dont the creators of 3-4 DBs and expansions get together somehow (perhaps Skype) and make a solid DB with everything any PCM player could want? Not only would the game be more enjoyable for all. But, perhaps the makers of the DB may earn something from such a project. Perhaps licenes the DB and charge a fee for it later at some point.
I would love (Im sure may would) to see what would a DB like this be like.
I disagree.
People would never agree about stats. Everyone has their own views on it and want to use different stat matrixes.
Also, some people want a smaller DB, concentrated on WT gameplay, while others rather want a giant DB with a lot of small teams & races.
Matrix wrote:
I have still yet to figure out why instead of coping DBs. The people who have expansions with more rides, teams, races and stages. Dont combine the ideas into 1 great DB.
ASO is good, PCM is good...and so on. But if it took just a little longer, can you imagine what would happen if you combined many of the DBs into 1?
More stages, races, riders, teams. And better graphics, stats and traning. Overall nobody would not want to use a DB like that. But instead we have copies, thefts of parts and general hassel.
Why dont the creators of 3-4 DBs and expansions get together somehow (perhaps Skype) and make a solid DB with everything any PCM player could want? Not only would the game be more enjoyable for all. But, perhaps the makers of the DB may earn something from such a project. Perhaps licenes the DB and charge a fee for it later at some point.
I would love (Im sure may would) to see what would a DB like this be like.
I disagree.
People would never agree about stats. Everyone has their own views on it and want to use different stat matrixes.
Also, some people want a smaller DB, concentrated on WT gameplay, while others rather want a giant DB with a lot of small teams & races.
Agree. The stat matrix and stats make every db unique.
Matrix wrote:
I have still yet to figure out why instead of coping DBs. The people who have expansions with more rides, teams, races and stages. Dont combine the ideas into 1 great DB.
ASO is good, PCM is good...and so on. But if it took just a little longer, can you imagine what would happen if you combined many of the DBs into 1?
More stages, races, riders, teams. And better graphics, stats and traning. Overall nobody would not want to use a DB like that. But instead we have copies, thefts of parts and general hassel.
Why dont the creators of 3-4 DBs and expansions get together somehow (perhaps Skype) and make a solid DB with everything any PCM player could want? Not only would the game be more enjoyable for all. But, perhaps the makers of the DB may earn something from such a project. Perhaps licenes the DB and charge a fee for it later at some point.
I would love (Im sure may would) to see what would a DB like this be like.
I disagree.
People would never agree about stats. Everyone has their own views on it and want to use different stat matrixes.
Also, some people want a smaller DB, concentrated on WT gameplay, while others rather want a giant DB with a lot of small teams & races.
Agree. The stat matrix and stats make every db unique.
True, but stats can be altered with an editor in any way that you like. In say 3min I can turn Froome and Contador from climbers to cobble riders.
You can always post an expansion for stats. And there it is, different stats for all.
Im not good with the files, but I get what you mean. But if you make say 4 files, that you can just swap in and out of a giant DB. It is easy, and all players get what they want.
Also, as an example, I want my custom kit in a DB. 3 tried, but had to go on to other things. So, it still isnt.
So we are talking DBs...can someone who knows how install my full kit into a DB? I like ASK and PCM. Then maybe I can figure out some things and make an expansion for PCM that can be usex if a player wants say a few more teams or races. Im sure a week or 2 I can figure out how to do it
jotadani1992 wrote:
Wow, this database it's formidable. The only "bug" it's the missing of Louletano - Dunas Douradas, but it's because i'm portuguese.
Andrepg wrote:
I was sure that I have answered to your last PM, probabily there was a problem.
That's okay then.
Andrepg wrote:
In that comment I exaggerated and I'm sorry, also becouse you explained the reasons. But I didn't this thing for "several thing", the non-HD resized shirts are very few.
I'll have to disagree a bit here. Considering the new teams and the fake teams from the Off. Release, I count 14/29 shirts being PCM12 re-sized ones, that's nearly 50%.
Andrepg wrote:
I resized it personally, how can you say that I didn't it? I use this program https://www.dvdvid...gy3ypL0FPY
Well, in my computer the resized files appear with the same modification date as the other files. This + the fact that some teams files, like EPM, Differdange and Ventilair look exactly the same (not all re-sizements look the same because of different software and settings), and that even the Ventilair "accessories" were included (they are not the real accessories; they were just added for the Graphical Update Pack, because the shirt had changed colors considerably, from Jong Vlaanderen to Ventilair. Being a pack made to work in on-going careers, there was no possibility to change the auto-color in the .cdb, so adding those 'accessories' was the solution) made me conclude that. But if you say that you've that, I believe you and so I'm sorry for this one. No idea why the modification date appears the same though.
Andrepg wrote:
For everything else, this pack is restart by 0 and fot this needed a starting point to see how to structure it, so something has been taken from the daily expansion pack, but it was not our intention to copy it, and in future versions will all be 100% by the cymITA. We were wrong not to warn CrueTrue and We're very sorry for this. The things that we didn't succeded to do is really the tip of the iceberg, we worked hardly and I wouldn't want to pass this pack only as a copying. We needed an initial push, but we did it in silence, sorry again for this.
As I said earlier, there's no problem to use PCMDaily's DB things - as long as you credit it. Especially the equipment part is result of months of work by several people. You even changed the in-game credits to add the credits of the pack, so remembering about credits was clearly not the problem, which rather was whom should be credited as well. If you didn't want to pass this pack only as a copy of another DB, this goes on the opposite direction and is exactly what shouldn't be done if you don't want such image, so really should have been better thought; luckily it's only been a few days and it's still possible to remedy it, at least partially.
Lastly, you haven't mentioned anything about the graphical (mostly I think) work that can only be found in the pack. As long as there's proper attribution, the PCMDaily DB lets you use any of the years of work that has been compiled in it for whatever you want. Even when members of the community create work thinking specifically in using them in certain DBs - like the dozens of HD shirts of future sponsors done by the members of PCMFocus - they post their work, if the community will be interested in it. Why would you guys be the only ones to keep some shirts/accessories (talking about the real teams, mostly) to yourselves?
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Matrix wrote:
I have still yet to figure out why instead of coping DBs. The people who have expansions with more rides, teams, races and stages. Dont combine the ideas into 1 great DB.
ASO is good, PCM is good...and so on. But if it took just a little longer, can you imagine what would happen if you combined many of the DBs into 1?
There are different DBs because people think differently about how it should be done and what should be in. There are different regional focuses, different stat matrixes, and all. To give an example using this pack; Andrepg might think that it doesn't make much sense that PCMDaily's DB adds several British/American teams and races, while another creator might think it makes little sense to add races like the Copa America de Ciclismo if it's not going to have a realistic fields at all.
Matrix wrote:
More stages, races, riders, teams. And better graphics, stats and traning. Overall nobody would not want to use a DB like that.
Several times I've seen this idea of "the more riders/teams/races/stages there are = best DB possible", but I've no idea where it comes from, because it's just not true to everyone. Some people might prefer to play with the smaller teams, certainly; but others might not care so much for these teams, and then will only experience the bad part of huge DBs (game is more instable - more chances that PCM will mess up the save at some point, days/seasons take longer to pass - heck, someone wanted a faster season speed with PCMDaily's 2013 DB, which is certainly not a Giant DB -, the teams/races (starting fields of races) can get weirder, and so on). The "best DB" goes through what a person considers best; therefore, there's no "best DB" for everyone.
Matrix wrote:
But instead we have copies, thefts of parts and general hassel.
But of course, when it comes to real teams graphics, 2013 stages, and all, everyone is interested, so (also in order to avoid copies, thefts of parts and general hassel - thought it obviously doesn't always work), the community shares their work even if this work is done thinking of a specific DB This way each one can use the community's work to create their pack like they want. The initial point of the community is, after all, to make the game better for everyone, not only for people who choose this or that DB But of course, like I said in the other post; the sharing of this community-interest files has to come from all communities. Otherwise people will just be creating 3, 4 times the same thing for a specific DB, and it'll be a stupid wasted effort.
Matrix wrote:
But, perhaps the makers of the DB may earn something from such a project. Perhaps licenes the DB and charge a fee for it later at some point.
I've already explained why such a project wouldn't create 'the best and most fascinating DB of all time for PCM', so no need to do it again. But even assuming that the result of such project would be something like that and the players would actually be willing to pay for it, it's definitely illegal - take a look at this post for more info (or you could also read the whole thread, it's kinda of funny ).
So there the more than 50 variants of PackITA2013, though they work with whatever db.
Variants' list:
Tour de France: 10
Giro d'Italia: 5
Vuelta a Espana: 2
World Championship: 14 (14 on line, 14 ITT, 14 TTT)
Tour Down Under: 3
Paris - Nice: 2
Tirreno - Adriatico: 2
Vuelta a Catalunya: 1
Vuelta a Pais Vasco: 2
Criterium Dauphine: 2
Tour de Suisse: 1
Eneco Tour: 3
Il Lombardia: 4
Ronde van Vlaanderen: 2
Fleche Wallonne: 2
Liegi - Bastogne - Liegi: 1
Paris - Roubaix: 1
Amstel Gold Race: 1
Vattenfall Cyclassics: 1
GP Quebec: 1
GP Montreal: 1
Giro dell'Appennino: 1
Roma Maxima: 1
Strade Bianche: 1
Criterium International: 1
Driedaagse De Panne: 2
Giro del Trentino: 3
4 Jours de Dunkerque: 1
Credits:
emmea90
Andrepg
Cancellara91
Stylus
Johan92
roturn
grebiere
biggassi
vm
mede33
KArt
MC
nat
ricardo123
xflyinghighx
Installation instructions:
Unpack each of the four archives in the folder CM_Stages of game's installation folder.
 DOWNLOAD
It's online the v1.1
Changelog
Fixed some bug (31th may crash)
Corrected some races and riders
Expanded the palmares of a lots riders
Expanded the palmares of a lots races ct and nc
Added 2 races with fictitious route: GP Costa degli Etruschi and Artic Race of Norway
You can download it in pack's download link. You have to have the v1.0.
Edited by Andrepg on 18-08-2013 21:41
This way each one can use the community's work to create their pack like they want. The initial point of the community is, after all, to make the game better for everyone, not only for people who choose this or that DB 
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