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Rider Satisfaction Revised!
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| tellico |
Posted on 05-07-2013 13:50
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No Ian, he is not angry bcoz he WANT to ride earlier than Giro. Hes angry bcoz Cyanide fucked up calculating system of satisfaction. Each month is calculated how many days have driven, what prestige races was and is it correct profile according to rider expectation. And this is calculated every month for every rider, no matter his starts are planned on January, May or September. And for me this is a bug.
If someone have a set race in July and he's happy about that when negotiating this with him in January then it is purely nonsense that he become angry in march.
Letting him in previous races is just avoiding the problem not the right solution.
EDIT: how can You edit their schedule in March??
Edited by tellico on 05-07-2013 14:01
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| Areolys |
Posted on 05-07-2013 13:54
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Ian Butler wrote:
EDIT: Update, I've also noticed the riders let you know at the end of every month what they're thinking. They can tell you up to three things:
- They want to participate in more races.
- They want to participate in races that suit their strong points.
- They want to participate in more prestigious races.
Simply edit their schedule to their needs and they're back to happy!
Where can you see that?
Basically you need to plan the season for each and every rider one by one, selecting their favorite races and giving them objectives that fit their level.
Is there also an effect on how well they do in any race or do they just need to be in the race, no matter if they finish first or last?
Hmm, makes the whole season planning even more complicated... |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 05-07-2013 14:35
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cio93 wrote:
...but both of you miss an important detail:
Assigning them to other races keeps them happy pre-season because they can look forward to race the races they want to.
But obviously, they'll never ride those. So they become unhappy later on anyway.
It's just delaying the problem 
I tough about it but guessed it wouldn't matter as you haven't mentioned it.
Areolys wrote:
...Hmm, makes the whole season planning even more complicated...
In my opinion it is interesting to have a complicated season planning.
But it should be worth something and at the moment it isn't.
Edited by Lachi on 05-07-2013 14:38
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 05-07-2013 17:17
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Areolys wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
EDIT: Update, I've also noticed the riders let you know at the end of every month what they're thinking. They can tell you up to three things:
- They want to participate in more races.
- They want to participate in races that suit their strong points.
- They want to participate in more prestigious races.
Simply edit their schedule to their needs and they're back to happy!
Where can you see that?
Basically you need to plan the season for each and every rider one by one, selecting their favorite races and giving them objectives that fit their level.
Is there also an effect on how well they do in any race or do they just need to be in the race, no matter if they finish first or last?
Hmm, makes the whole season planning even more complicated...
Have no indication of that so far. Neither of riders performing worse when unhappy.
You can see what they want by looking at the satisfaction pyramid. If it's darkened, it's good. A light area means you screwed up that point  |
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| Markak |
Posted on 17-07-2013 12:16
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Do you guys also have the issue where the rider specialist type stat (climber, classic rider and such) are not what they are supposed to be? For example all sprinters have TT as there specialist type. And what races types are there for TT riders to make them happy? You would think that a Ciolek for example would be pleased to ride Milaan Sanremo or Parijs Tours but he isn’t. Nor does he gets happy by riding the tour. In my opinion these things are bugs. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 17-07-2013 12:43
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This has been discussed before and there is even a fix for it: https://www.pcmdai...d_id=29993 |
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| Markak |
Posted on 17-07-2013 14:02
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Thanks @Lachi! Will check it out tonight at home. To bad though that is hasn't been fixed in the PCMDaily database  can I make the changes in the save game databse? |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 17-07-2013 15:51
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Markak wrote:
Thanks @Lachi! Will check it out tonight at home. To bad though that is hasn't been fixed in the PCMDaily database can I make the changes in the save game databse?
Actually this is a bug introduced by PCMDaily's DB (it's not a game problem) I'm talking about the rider specialization part, the satisfaction bug is on the game. And yes, to fix the specialization thing is simple, and can be done on save games
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 17-07-2013 17:23
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So what happens with Objectives in regards to putting something as a objective and not racing them at it. Seems to me the best way to get a get a guy to attempt a Giro/Tour/WC run (and keep him fully happy with his list) is to have him with those three as objectives along with the vuelta. And if there are negative effects, can you counteract them somehow. I know last year with riders roles and happiness, you only got guys being unhappy about their team roles if you simed the stage (and happiness didn't actually do anything iirc anyway.) |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 17-07-2013 17:47
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So far I haven't had any negative feedback for not letting them enter those races.
Also, satisfaction doesn't really matter anyway, it seems. My unhappy riders don't under-perform. |
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 17-07-2013 19:39
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Thats good to know then. Objectives is just a silly fitness minigame then XD. I can deal with that.
Big thing I just noticed. You can create a ProTour team now and the game fires up with you team 20. That makes life so much easier XD |
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| cymarel |
Posted on 17-07-2013 21:09
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The riders satisfaction management is just silly.
First the 3 levels of satisfaction are (translation from Spanish):
a) farely dissapointed = bad
b) angry = o.k.
c) satisfied = good
Second,
It calculates an average of different aspects:
- riders favorited races selected
- days raced
- races raced
- prestige of the races
- type of races, etc...
But it does so on a monthly basis (taking only into account what he has raced so far and not he's yearly plan) and is not accurate. For example, I have riders who's specialisation is "timetrial" but is really a sprinter. So if you race them in races they can actually do well, they get angry.
Also young riders are far to demanding for their status.
It's unrealistic. For example, I set Rui Costa's objetives on the third year to be the leader of the TOUR, the early stage races from Spain, The Tirreno, Catalunya, Dauphine, etc... He won a lot of races (including the Tour) they were clearly chosen for his strengths, and still he was poorly satisfied. Common, ask Wiggins how he felt last year!
The only way around this is not to care because it doesn't seem to affect their performance, and It doesn't seem to stop the from signing back with your team.
Cyanide should go back to let in you be able to congratulate riders after wins and satisfaction should be based on the riders role on the team and or race like in previous versions. It's true a leader would get pissed if he has to work for a teammate in a race he's a favourite to win.
Edited by cymarel on 17-07-2013 21:12
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| Lachi |
Posted on 17-07-2013 21:38
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Somehow I am lucky that the new features are crap and especially that the gameplay is not affected by it. This will make it easier for me to re-release my season planner. |
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| Areolys |
Posted on 17-07-2013 22:06
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Lachi wrote:
Somehow I am lucky that the new features are crap and especially that the gameplay is not affected by it. This will make it easier for me to re-release my season planner.
looking forward to that... It's a pain to swich back an forth from season plan to objectives, calculating race days etc. Until then, I guess I simply won't care about happyness of my team... |
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| cymarel |
Posted on 18-07-2013 00:34
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Lachi wrote:
Somehow I am lucky that the new features are crap and especially that the gameplay is not affected by it. This will make it easier for me to re-release my season planner.
True that. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 18-07-2013 08:56
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Areolys wrote:
Lachi wrote:
Somehow I am lucky that the new features are crap and especially that the gameplay is not affected by it. This will make it easier for me to re-release my season planner.
looking forward to that... It's a pain to swich back an forth from season plan to objectives, calculating race days etc. Until then, I guess I simply won't care about happyness of my team...
Race Days don't matter anymore, just saying |
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| cymarel |
Posted on 18-07-2013 14:24
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Race Days don't matter anymore, just saying [/quote]
They seem to do to the riders (not the fatigue). Everymonth individual riders complaint they need more races.
In the Satisfaction Piramide, that is one of the key points.
And in the DYN table, is one of the aspects that come in to play to calculate the satisfaction.
But then again it just something that is there to annoy us. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 18-07-2013 15:24
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Ian Butler was referring to the 60 day race day limit.
But anyway, this also is bogus because there are not enough races for Conti-Team so it is not possible to race that often. (My Austrian team doesn't want to race in Russia just to get enough races.) |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 18-07-2013 15:30
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Lachi wrote:
Ian Butler was referring to the 60 day race day limit.
But anyway, this also is bogus because there are not enough races for Conti-Team so it is not possible to race that often. (My Austrian team doesn't want to race in Russia just to get enough races.)
Yep. First season Plussbank:
Normandie
Himmerlandt
Tour of Norway
NCs
Sparkassen Giro
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| RJCPS |
Posted on 20-07-2013 11:34
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Areolys wrote:
Lachi wrote:
Somehow I am lucky that the new features are crap and especially that the gameplay is not affected by it. This will make it easier for me to re-release my season planner.
looking forward to that... It's a pain to swich back an forth from season plan to objectives, calculating race days etc. Until then, I guess I simply won't care about happyness of my team...
You dont need to switchback from the planner to the objectives. The objectives are marked with a star in the planner for every ryder. |
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