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Quest for the Best | A look back at history
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 16-03-2013 23:51
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Stromeon wrote:
issoisso wrote:
There's a big problem with just adding the total points over the years. It doesn't tell you who's best, it just tells you who accumulated the most points. In essence, who had the longer career.
It's what www.cyclingrankin... does. The result is a hilarious ranking with Michael Rogers being "better" than Pantani, Cunego ahead of Contador, Hincapie better than Boonen and Cancellara, or Bo Hamburger being better than Lucho Herrera
Or my favorite, Karpets being ranked about several pages ahead of Cavendish 
@ Karpets
My system only really takes into points earned by achieving big things in big races, whereas cyclingranking takes into account all points earned in both big races and smaller ones. Thus my system rewards those who stay at the top for a long time, not the ones who are just there for a long time, so all those examples above are indeed reversed for instance 
Before I became interested in cycling, my favourite sport was cricket, where thousands of people are constantly analysing statistics about everything, everywhere, at any time etc. Thousands of attempts have been made to find out who the best cricketers are and were and it just seems strange to me that there are so few different rankings/systems trying to determine who the 'best' cyclist is. This is just another ranking system to throw out there, not definitively the best one
I've finished 2003-2007 and it's quite close at the top between two riders...
Do you know about the famous New-Zealander that plays cricket? His name is Ian Butler  |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 22-03-2013 14:37
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Do you know about the famous New-Zealander that plays cricket? His name is Ian Butler
Yes I have, shame his cricketing skills aren't as good as his story-writing skills!
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 22-03-2013 14:50
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2007
| 1 |  | Alberto Contador | 30 | | 2 |  | Danilo Di Luca | 27 | | 3 | | Carlos Sastre | 23 | | = |  | Cadel Evans | 23 | | 4 |  | Vladimir Karpets | 20 | | 5 | | Denis Menchov | 18 | | = |  | Tom Boonen | 18 |
2006
| 1 | | Alejandro Valverde | 33 | | 2 | | Carlos Sastre | 20 | | = | | Cadel Evans | 20 | | = | | Oscar Pereiro | 20 | | 3 |  | Alexander Vinokourov | 19 | | 4 | | Tom Boonen | 18 | | 5 | | Ivan Basso | 17 |
2005
| 1 | | Danilo Di Luca | 34 | | 2 | | Tom Boonen | 33 | | 3 | | Francisco Mancebo | 20 | | 4 | | Alexander Vinokourov | 18 | | 5 | | Denis Menchov | 17 | | = | | Paolo Savoldelli | 17 |
2004
| 1 | | Damiano Cunego | 27 | | 2 | | Davide Rebellin | 26 | | 3 |  | Jan Ullrich | 20 | | 4 | | Roberto Heras | 17 | | 5 | | Tom Boonen | 16 |
2003
| 1 | | Alexander Vinokourov | 40 | | 2 |  | Tyler Hamilton | 30 | | 3 | | Peter van Petegem | 22 | | 4 | | Gilberto Simoni | 20 | | 5 | | Roberto Heras | 17 |
So for the period 2003-2007 here are the standings:
2003-2007
| 1 | | Tom Boonen | 85 | | 2 | | Alexander Vinokourov | 79 | | 3 | | Danilo Di Luca | 61 | | 4 | | Gilberto Simoni | 61 | | 5 | | Carlos Sastre | 56 | | 6 | | Alejandro Valverde | 55 | | 7 | | Denis Menchov | 53 | | 8 | | Paolo Bettini | 53 | | 9 | | Damiano Cunego | 51 | | 10 | | Ivan Basso | 45 | | 11 | | Cadel Evans | 43 | | 12 | | Andreas Kloden | 40 | | 13 | | Tyler Hamilton | 40 | | 14 | | Francisco Mancebo | 36 | | 15 | | Oscar Freire | 35 | | 16 | | Jan Ullrich | 35 | | 17 | | Davide Rebellin | 34 | | 18 | | Roberto Heras | 34 | | 19 |  | Thor Hushovd | 31 | | 20 | | Alberto Contador | 30 |
1998-2002 will be up shortly, and then I'll take a break. Who do you think will come out on top in that period?
HINT: Another unexpected result...
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 22-03-2013 16:03
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Boonen, I like it |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 23-03-2013 12:43
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Ian Butler wrote:
Boonen, I like it
Yeah it's nice to see a non-GC rider come out on top to prove my system is fair
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 23-03-2013 12:57
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Where is Petacchi in that list?
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 23-03-2013 13:06
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Time to go back another five years to 1998, at which point the overall standings can be revealed so far. First up, I'm very happy to announce that the year 2002 is won by a sprinter!
2002
| 1 | | Mario Cipollini | 26 | | 2 | | Joseba Beloki | 25 | | 3 | | Roberto Heras | 23 | | 4 | | Michele Bartoli | 18 | | 5 | | Paolo Savoldelli | 17 | | = | | Aitor Gonzalez | 17 |
2001
| 1 | | Joseba Beloki | 22 | | 2 | | Jan Ullrich | 20 | | = | | Erik Zabel | 20 | | = | | Dario Frigo | 20 | | 3 | | Gilberto Simoni | 17 | | = | | Angel Casero | 17 | | 4 | | Abraham Olano | 13 | | 5 | | Oscar Sevilla | 13 |
2000
| 1 | | Erik Zabel | 28 | | = | | Roberto Heras | 28 | | 2 | | Francesco Casagrande | 22 | | 3 | | Andreas Kloden | 20 | | 4 | | Stefano Garzelli | 17 | | 5 | | Pavel Tonkov | 16 | | = |  | Raimondas Rumsas | 16 |
1999
| 1 |  | Laurent Jalabert | 31 | | 2 | | Jan Ullrich | 22 | | 3 | | Peter van Petegem | 18 | | = |  | Michael Boogerd | 18 | | = | | Michele Bartoli | 18 | | 4 | | Ivan Gotti | 17 | | 5 | | Roberto Heras | 16 |
1998
| 1 | | Marco Pantani | 38 | | 2 |  | Oscar Camenzind | 23 | | 3 | | Abraham Olano | 22 | | 4 | | Erik Zabel | 20 | | 5 | | Johan Museeuw | 18 | | = | | Frank Vandenbroucke | 18 | | = | | Rolf Jarmann | 18 |
So interesting results - low numbers because of removal of Armstrong's results I suppose (He would have scored 108 points in this period), but it means we have a sprinter at number one
1998-2002
| 1 | | Erik Zabel | 89 | | 2 | | Roberto Heras | 75 | | 3 | | Jan Ullrich | 72 | | 4 | | Michele Bartoli | 58 | | 5 | | Joseba Beloki | 49 | | 6 | | Abraham Olano | 45 | | 7 | | Jose Maria Jimenez | 44 | | 8 | | Oscar Camenzind | 43 | | 9 | | Laurent Jalabert | 41 | | 10 | | Paolo Savoldelli | 40 | | 11 | | Raimondas Rumsas | 38 | | 12 | | Angel Casero | 38 | | 13 | | Johan Museeuw | 38 | | 14 | | Marco Pantani | 38 | | 15 | | Gilberto Simoni | 37 | | 16 | | Pavel Tonkov | 35 | | 17 | | Francesco Casagrande | 32 | | 18 | | Igor Gonzalez de Galdeano | 31 | | 19 | | Frank Vandenbroucke | 31 | | 20 | | Dario Frigo | 30 |
So from 1998-2012 (15 years) who's on top so far?
Overall (1998-2012)
| 1 | | Tom Boonen | 149 | | 2 | | Alejandro Valverde | 136 | | 3 | | Alberto Contador | 131 | | 4 | | Cadel Evans | 130 | | 5 | | Erik Zabel | 123 | | 6 | | Denis Menchov | 110 | | 7 | | Alexander Vinokourov | 109 | | 8 | | Roberto Heras | 109 | | 9 | | Jan Ullrich | 107 | | 10 | | Fabian Cancellara | 100 | | 11 | | Gilberto Simoni | 98 | | 12 | | Carlos Sastre | 97 | | 13 |  | Bradley Wiggins | 85 | | 14 | | Ivan Basso | 84 | | 15 | | Andreas Kloden | 78 | | 16 | | Paolo Bettini | 76 | | 17 | | Oscar Freire | 75 | | 18 | | Joaquim Rodriguez | 74 | | 19 |  | Andy Schleck | 73 | | 20 | | Damiano Cunego | 72 |
Well, what do you think? Any feedback welcome
And guesses for the period 1993-1997
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 23-03-2013 13:50
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What's the points system used yearly ? It looks random. Zabel 2001 gets 20, but Zabel 2000 gets 28 ?! |
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 23-03-2013 15:36
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Where is Armstrong in there?
If you took him out the competition because of his doping use, you should also take out Vino, Hamilton, Ulrich, Boogerd etc. |
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 23-03-2013 16:21
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
Where is Armstrong in there?
If you took him out the competition because of his doping use, you should also take out Vino, Hamilton, Ulrich, Boogerd etc.
they didn't strip there result iirc
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 23-03-2013 16:58
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Spilak: Petacchi is 32nd with 16 points
Aquarius: 2001 Zabel won TdF points and Milano-Sanremo; 2000 Zabel won Tdf points, Milano-Sanremo and the Amstel Gold Race
fosforgas: I did say about Armstrong in the post And Luigi is right, the rest havent had their results stripped
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 23-03-2013 17:11
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So Petachi took less points between 2002 and 2007 then Cobo took in 2011?
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 23-03-2013 17:42
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Umm yeah OK I know the system's not perfect
+ Petacchi has had a few results stripped - notably 2007 Giro where he won 5 stages and the points
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 23-03-2013 17:46
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Stromeon wrote:
Umm yeah OK I know the system's not perfect
+ Petacchi has had a few results stripped - notably 2007 Giro where he won 5 stages and the points
Still won about 30 GT stages in that period.
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 30-03-2013 17:55
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Next batch of results completed!
1997
| 1 | | Laurent Jalabert | 36 | | 2 | | Fernando Escartin | 31 | | 3 | | Alex Zulle | 27 | | 4 | | Pavel Tonkov | 23 | | 5 | | Jan Ullrich | 20 | | = | | Erik Zabel | 20 |
1996
| 1 | | Alex Zulle | 32 | | 2 | | Laurent Dufaux | 23 | | 3 |  | Bjarne Riis | 20 | | = | | AbrahamOlano | 20 | | = | | Francesco Casagrande | 20 | | 4 |  | Peter Luttenberger | 18 | | 5 | | Pavel Tonkov | 17 |
1995
| 1 | | Laurent Jalabert | 79 | | 2 | | Miguel Indurain | 42 | | 3 | | Tony Rominger | 30 | | 4 | | Alex Zulle | 25 | | 5 | | Abraham Olano | 21 |
1994
| 1 | | Tony Rominger | 37 | | 2 | | Miguel Indurain | 30 | | 3 | | Evgeni Berzin | 27 | | 4 |  | Andrei Tchmil | 26 | | 5 | | Marco Pantani | 25 |
1993
| 1 | | Tony Rominger | 46 | | 2 | | Miguel Indurain | 40 | | 3 | | Maurizio Fondriest | 28 | | 4 | | Alex Zulle | 23 | | 5 |  | Alvaro Mejia | 20 | | 6 | | Pascal Richard | 20 |
Some pretty high scores in there, especially Jalabert who absolutely dominated in '95, scoring an astonishing 79 points! It's a close battle at the top for that 5-year period!
| 1 | | Laurent Jalabert | 131 | | 2 | | Tony Rominger | 126 | | 3 | | Miguel Indurain | 122 | | 4 | | AlexZulle | 115 | | 5 | | Pavel Tonkov | 64 | | 6 | | Laurent Dufaux | 53 | | 7 | | Abraham Olano | 51 | | 8 | | Richard Virenque | 51 | | 9 | | Pascal Richard | 51 | | 10 | | Bjarne Riis | 48 | | 11 | | Johan Museeuw | 48 | | 12 |  | Piotr Ugromov | 46 | | 13 | | Evgeni Berzin | 40 | | 14 | | Marco Pantani | 39 | | 15 | | Claudio Chiappucci | 38 | | 16 | | Jan Ullrich | 37 | | 17 | | Fernando Escartin | 31 | | 18 | | Ivan Gotti | 31 | | 19 | | Erik Zabel | 30 | | 20 |  | Djamolidine Abdoujaparov | 29 |
I'll add it all up later when I've done a few more 5-year periods.
Any guesses for '88-'92?
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 01-04-2013 11:32
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More results!
1992
| 1 | | Miguel Indurain | 47 | | 2 | | Tony Rominger | 37 | | 3 | | Claudio Chiappucci | 35 | | 4 | | Andrew Hampsten | 26 | | 5 | | Giorgio Furlan | 18 |
1991
| 1 | | Claudio Chiappucci | 48 | | 2 | | Miguel Indurain | 45 | | 3 | | Gianni Bugno | 28 | | 4 | | Tony Rominger | 20 | | 5 | | Djamolidine Abdoujaparov | 18 | | = | | Moreno Argentin | 18 |
1990
| 1 | | Gianni Bugno | 32 | | 2 | | Marco Giovannetti | 27 | | 3 | | Pedro Delgado | 23 | | 4 | | Charly Mottet | 23 | | 5 | | Greg LeMond | 20 | | 6 | | Moreno Argentin | 18 |
1989
| 1 | | Laurent Fignon | 42 | | 2 | | Pedro Delgado | 29 | | 3 | | Greg LeMond | 25 | | 4 |  | Sean Kelly | 22 | | 5 | | Tony Rominger | 20 |
1988
| 1 | | Sean Kelly | 42 | | 2 | | Erik Breukink | 23 | | 3 | | Pedro Delgado | 20 | | = | | Eddy Planckaert | 20 | | 4 | | Fabio Parra | 18 | | = | | Andrew Hampsten | 18 | | 5 | | Steven Rooks | 17 |
1988-1992
| 1 | | Miguel Indurain | 122 | | 2 | | Claudio Chiappucci | 99 | | 3 | | Sean Kelly | 94 | | 4 | | Tony Rominger | 87 | | 5 | | Pedro Delgado | 82 | | 6 | | Gianni Bugno | 77 | | 7 | | Charly Mottet | 63 | | 8 | | Andrew Hampsten | 54 | | 9 | | Laurent Fignon | 52 | | 10 | | Erik Breukink | 47 | | 11 | | Greg LeMond | 45 | | 12 | | Marco Giovannetti | 43 | | 13 | | Fabio Parra | 43 | | 14 | | Marino Lejarreta | 42 | | 15 | | Franco Chioccioli | 39 | | 16 | | Eddy Planckaert | 38 | | 17 | | Moreno Argentin | 36 | | 18 | | Olaf Ludwig | 30 | | 19 | | Federico Echave | 28 | | 20 | | Steven Rooks | 24 |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 01-04-2013 11:35
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Indurain. Yeah, I kinda expected that...
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 01-04-2013 13:13
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Nice to see one of my all time favourite riders getting a mention,
El Diablo himself Claudio Chiappucci  |
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