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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 30-01-2013 04:25
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CosmicOsmo wrote:
as for the mountains, i am aware that the game designates mountains in the code but riders with high hill stats will consistently perform on climbs labeled "mountain" if the incline varies from high to low. set a rider at base 70, give him 55 in the mountains and 85 in the hills. now pick a good climb...some of the ones in romandie or swiss would work....that has varying incline. your gilbert-esque rider will be great on the climbs despite no mountain skills.
I'll give that test a go later 
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 30-01-2013 05:21
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thanks so much for posting luigi! i will take a better look at the screens later and give some input on your findings.
as for the fighter issue, the results you are getting are pretty much on point with what i got. What i believe is happening is that the game has a pre-determined break-away script. each team will assess which riders are best used in what role and that decision is based on stats of which the fighter stat would be highly considered for a breakaway considering what it does) but just like you and I both saw, its not that high fighters attack more, its that they are more likely to be chosen by the game engine when all other things are equal. now the thing is this: when a rider (who might have a really high, or even the highest Fighter stat) is given another designation, like "teammate, sprinter, leader" it will override that Fighter stat. hence when you get lots of riders attacking all the time with low Fighter stats. its just because they are their teams best chance at a breakaway for that particular part of the stage. that would also explain why the breakaway riders often have stats that would help them in the finish (like a decent Sprint for a flat stage) now the question is will the game engine favor a rider with sprint or fighter for a breakaway flat stage when all other things are equal?! does that wall of text make sense haha?
again that you for posting!
Edited by CosmicOsmo on 30-01-2013 05:24
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 30-01-2013 08:46
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Thanks for those testing Luigi, it really clears it up
And at the Kelderman thing: I blame the PCM Logic. It would make sense if Flat stats are important, since they are riding alone(most time) on the flat.
But as always, you are right 
Spoiler And we let Kelderman prove himself in his first upcoming stage-races 
Edited by Jesleyh on 30-01-2013 08:47
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 30-01-2013 10:05
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lluuiiggii wrote:
Test 6
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So that leads me to believe that the FTR stat does influence the attack by AI riders, but it depends on the stage situation; if I had to guess, halfway through the stage the likeliness of attacks by high FTR riders are definitely higher, but in the beginning of the stage it has little effect.
Without doing any proper testing that is exactly how I have come to suspect the game to work.
When I play I usually put a guy in the break and I have noticed that quite often there's not a particular high FTR-average in the morning break, but when riders attack from the peloton in the late part of the stage my general feeling is that there tend to be a higher FTR-stat.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 30-01-2013 11:42
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Thank you very much lluuiiggii, that is very insightful and especially helpful for future ManGame transfer seasons
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 30-01-2013 22:43
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lluuiiggii wrote:
Stagefrenzy wrote:
Does equipment do anything or is it purely cosmetic?
Purely cosmetic. The stats have no effect in gameplay.
SO WRONG LUIGI!!!!
i just ran the TTT of qatar with omega-pharma. 10 times with no TT gear, and ten times with. they didnt win every time with TT gear but WITHOUT FAIL they came dead last every time with no TT gear.
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 31-01-2013 08:46
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Why can't Cyanide just explain how their stats are coded? 
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| tellico |
Posted on 31-01-2013 13:37
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I made tests similar to luigi's and sobrano's tests and agree with them. Especially in terms of Acceleration. I dont understand how CosmicOsmo came to his conclusions.
The equipment also tested several times and never noticed any significant difference with or without TT stuff.
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 31-01-2013 19:29
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i tested the ACC by placing riders next to each other going at the same speed. then i observed the rate of acceleration in kmp/h during a sprint. riders with high ACC gained speed faster than those with low ACC. i looked at the actual speeds where as it seems that Luigi is looking at relative road position. which is more accurate? i really dont know.
as for the equipment.... go run 10 TTT. with TT gear and without. run them as quick sims if you want it doesnt matter for a TT. youll see the team with no TT gear comes dead last everytime.
Edited by CosmicOsmo on 31-01-2013 19:30
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 31-01-2013 19:51
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CosmicOsmo wrote:
as for the equipment.... go run 10 TTT. with TT gear and without. run them as quick sims if you want it doesnt matter for a TT. youll see the team with no TT gear comes dead last everytime.
Not for TT's but i've run tests on the Mountains
5 with full MT equipment
5 with half MT equipemnt
5 with zero MT equipment
I have not seen any appreciable difference in the amount of energy expended, yellow lots, red used, heart rate, use of water, speed, result or positioning between any of the runs at all...
(i set all riders in DB to same stats (70) and equipment for every run then played like normal on Trentino stge 3)
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 31-01-2013 21:46
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TheManxMissile wrote:
CosmicOsmo wrote:
as for the equipment.... go run 10 TTT. with TT gear and without. run them as quick sims if you want it doesnt matter for a TT. youll see the team with no TT gear comes dead last everytime.
Not for TT's but i've run tests on the Mountains
5 with full MT equipment
5 with half MT equipemnt
5 with zero MT equipment
I have not seen any appreciable difference in the amount of energy expended, yellow lots, red used, heart rate, use of water, speed, result or positioning between any of the runs at all...
(i set all riders in DB to same stats (70) and equipment for every run then played like normal on Trentino stge 3)
hehe thats great....now go run 10 TTT and realize your wrong. i am playing on Extreme btw, although it would seem awfully silly to make equipment matter just in Extreme mode.
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 31-01-2013 21:49
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Ollfardh wrote:
Why can't Cyanide just explain how their stats are coded?
why cant they program a decent game period? i have no clue why they do what they do. I blame a lack of competition in the market place. We cant exactly go out and buy EA's cycling game instead! In reality PCM is a terrible game, we just dont have any alternatives. I made the mistake of paying for my copy of PCM 2011. Lets just say i never have, and wont, make that mistake again.
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 31-01-2013 22:23
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CosmicOsmo wrote:
why cant they program a decent game period? i have no clue why they do what they do. I blame a lack of competition in the market place. We cant exactly go out and buy EA's cycling game instead! In reality PCM is a terrible game, we just dont have any alternatives. I made the mistake of paying for my copy of PCM 2011. Lets just say i never have, and wont, make that mistake again.
Thats a bit harsh... They make mistakes but overall the game works really well and is a lot of fun.
Ok its very basic with little rennovation or revolution but we expect that from a small developer with little professional support from the sport itself
Also i dont see why they'd only make TT equipment matter and not the others. But when i get some more time i'll run your test and see what happens.
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| NTTHRASH |
Posted on 31-01-2013 22:41
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Equipment has the effect as follows:
0.5 star things=-0.35 upon stat
1 star=-0.3
1.5=-0.25
2=-0.2
2.5=-0.15
and so on.
TT equipment adds together for a collective bonus on the time trial stat alone, so the effect may even(gasp!) add 1 whole TT stat point(71+1=72, etc.).
"America. Show a nipple on television and the whole country goes ape-shit." -DubbelDekker
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 01-02-2013 03:20
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NTTHRASH wrote:
0.5 star things=-0.35 upon stat
1 star=-0.3
1.5=-0.25
2=-0.2
2.5=-0.15
this is the kind of info we really need so thank you. however....
are you getting this info from the "armada" section of the game or is this some code you found?
we are talking about general career mode here, not armada.
Edited by CosmicOsmo on 01-02-2013 03:20
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 01-02-2013 11:40
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CosmicOsmo wrote:
as for the equipment.... go run 10 TTT. with TT gear and without. run them as quick sims if you want it doesnt matter for a TT. youll see the team with no TT gear comes dead last everytime.
Now try in 3D mode. No effect.
Edited by CrueTrue on 01-02-2013 11:40
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 01-02-2013 12:12
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CosmicOsmo wrote:
SO WRONG LUIGI!!!!
i just ran the TTT of qatar with omega-pharma. 10 times with no TT gear, and ten times with. they didnt win every time with TT gear but WITHOUT FAIL they came dead last every time with no TT gear.
Did the same thing, Official Release DB (since the PCMDaily has only top equipment), TTT of the Giro. Omega Pharma. Simulated with top time trialing gear (50 TT) and and with the worst (20 TT), three times each. The result: I won every time, between 1 and 5 seconds of advance to the second team. The five seconds advance with bad equipment. So to me it does't seem like the equipment has any effect at all.
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 01-02-2013 19:58
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cunego59 wrote:
Did the same thing, Official Release DB (since the PCMDaily has only top equipment), TTT of the Giro. Omega Pharma. Simulated with top time trialing gear (50 TT) and and with the worst (20 TT), three times each. The result: I won every time, between 1 and 5 seconds of advance to the second team. The five seconds advance with bad equipment. So to me it does't seem like the equipment has any effect at all.
what difficulty level are you playing on?
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 01-02-2013 20:01
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@Cosmic That doesn't matter, as long aa he doesn't change it between the tests
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 01-02-2013 20:05
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Jesleyh wrote:
@Cosmic That doesn't matter, as long aa he doesn't change it between the tests
well smarty pants it must matter, because on "extreme" mode i ran that test 10 times (not 3) and got very different results. the 10 runs without TT gear put the team in dead last place. go try it yourself...
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
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