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Sporting GoVoyage abandons UCPCL
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 18-01-2013 22:24
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Oh yeah custom riders.
Kimi is pm'ing those managers, so that is covered.
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 18-01-2013 22:38
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Manx, could I get a replacement for Joaquim Agostinho? He was very important for my team... (2nd best climber)
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 18-01-2013 22:42
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fcancellara wrote:
Manx, could I get a replacement for Joaquim Agostinho? He was very important for my team... (2nd best climber)
From this the i am assuming he doesnt want his custom riders to continue?
If so then i have simple solution: We will just replace their names and nationalities, but keep the stats and teams.
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| kimiopn |
Posted on 18-01-2013 22:43
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Sporting GOes somewhere else
The reason is simple: i applied to many WT races on the contrary of most CT teams, got a lot of wild cards, and i didn't had enough riders to have 8 riders on WT races (9 on GT), and 6 on the huge CT obligatory races. Result: i wanted to quit Pais Vasco, but TMM wanted me to give my Giro spot.
Because my four solutions weren't accepted, (taking off Pais Vasco wild card; sending 7 riders to some WT races; not racing 1 CT race; or going to Vuelta and taking Pais Vasco out) i decided that i should stop playing on this league under these conditions.
I'm glad that Jak got the spot on Giro and i'm happy to see TMM pleasing UCPCL players giving later wild cards, but...
SPORTING GOVOYAGES WILL NOT COMPETE ON UCPCL LEAGUE AT ALL!
Joaquim and Pedro Agostinho are retiring, and i've pm their teams about that.
For those who sympathize with my team and custom riders, i'll create a story with them soon. I'll continue my CSC 2006 story now with more time, trying to develop 7 years ago.
For the ones who stay on the league i wish you good luck and i hope that it starts working with pre-established rules and procedures so that situations don't depend on the game creator's will.
EDIT: This was at least the fourth situation that came. The first two were on the draft where because of TMM mistakes (Ardila), lack of updates and official lists, and i got penalized. Then on the round limited to nationality, TMM decides to give another portuguese rider to an away player, when 5 have already been drafted. It was his choice, to me unfair, but i decided to continue. On this fourth situation i'm guilty of applying for to many wild cards. I proposed a lot of solutions but there was no agreement. I spent almost the entire afternoon on an excel sheet planning my calendar, and then going for alternatives, but it had to be the Giro. Hell, no!
Edited by kimiopn on 19-01-2013 00:03
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 18-01-2013 22:45
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Hmm, really sad to hear this. Surely there could've been a better way to work this out?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| baggieboys32 |
Posted on 18-01-2013 22:46
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seems like an extreme decision...
I hope this isn't an attempt to manipulate the game to you r favour...
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 18-01-2013 22:50
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TheManxMissile wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Manx, could I get a replacement for Joaquim Agostinho? He was very important for my team... (2nd best climber)
From this the i am assuming he doesnt want his custom riders to continue?
If so then i have simple solution: We will just replace their names and nationalities, but keep the stats and teams.
What about stat evolutions?
And could I decide the name and nationality for Joaquim, who was on my team?
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| kimiopn |
Posted on 18-01-2013 22:54
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baggieboys32 wrote:
seems like an extreme decision...
I hope this isn't an attempt to manipulate the game to you r favour...
Baggie it was taken to extreme because no solutions were found. I'm really out now and it botters me that you thought that i'm doing it for favours. I spent many time on this game and i completely disagree with the way it got. But i'm not in charge on anything except my own team and riders, and that is what i'll take out of this |
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| mvhoogdalem |
Posted on 18-01-2013 22:56
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Uhm.. does this mean there are only 11 CT-teams?  Also, wouldn't it be better to give 2 people who don't have a 2nd custom rider one of kimi's riders. That means they can progress and stuff  |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 18-01-2013 22:57
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Lets say this:
End of season they will retire.
I'll come up with some fun ones while i'm away 
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 18-01-2013 22:58
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mvhoogdalem wrote:
Uhm.. does this mean there are only 11 CT-teams? Also, wouldn't it be better to give 2 people who don't have a 2nd custom rider one of kimi's riders. That means they can progress and stuff
If you mean changing teams, Joaquim Agostinho is the only custom rider I have
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 18-01-2013 23:00
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Sad to hear of this decision, couldn't you have just left the Giro like I did and get on with the rest of the season?
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 18-01-2013 23:04
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Ok, looking at the situation, I think it's your own fault that you applied for too many wildcards. Taking away the Giro does sound very harsh though. It's really sad to see no compromise was reached here.
Edited by Ollfardh on 18-01-2013 23:04
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| kimiopn |
Posted on 18-01-2013 23:12
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@ mvhoogdalem, fcancellara - please discuss that somewhere else.
@TheManxMissile - i say it again, you are not authorized to use Sporting GoVoyages or my custom riders on UCPCL. Change their names, colors or whatever but it must not have nothing to do with them.
@ Stromeon - From the 5 options, that was the only one i wouldn't accept. How many wild cards have you got and did you brought any option on quitting on Giro?
@ Ollfardh - This was the third time i disagreed with TMM. The choice was his, i placed the options and he didn't accepted and he's fine with that, and so are the other involved as you can see by the comments. But let's move on now, i've lost to many time with this. Good luck to you all, though. |
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| mvhoogdalem |
Posted on 18-01-2013 23:13
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Ollfardh wrote:
Ok, looking at the situation, I think it's your own fault that you applied for too many wildcards. Taking away the Giro does sound very harsh though. It's really sad to see no compromise was reached here.
Not to be rude or anything, but I don't think it is harsh at all. I mean, this team has no link to Italy in any way, so in my eyes it justifies TMM to take the Giro away and give it to a team with a link to the country.
Also, it was his own fault to apply to so many WC's, knowing that it wouldn't be possible to send enough riders to those races.
@fcancellara I don't mean that they get to chose another team, just that they are in control of that rider. Like renaming and stuff (maybe even changing specialization / stats in consultation with the team manager). The rider will still be on the same team  |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 18-01-2013 23:19
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@fcancellara + mvhoogdalem
there is a whole custom riders thread now use that
@Kimi
In the PM's you only gave me two options which would mean you stayed in the game. One was your request to lose Pais Vasco, the other was to lose Pais Vasco and have the Vuelta instead of the Giro. I dont know where the 5 options came from?
And thanks for the clarification. Sporting will undergo a complete name change, no problem
@mvhoogdalem + kimi
It was the exact same situation that lead to both wild cards being withdrawn. I gave the exact same reasoning both times.
@Ollfardh
there was no compromise to reach, without being unfair to mvhoogdalem and the 4 teams who missed out on the Giro
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 18-01-2013 23:19
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kimiopn wrote:
@ Stromeon - From the 5 options, that was the only one i wouldn't accept. How many wild cards have you got and did you brought any option on quitting on Giro?
I got quite a lot of wildcards and I realised I had too many race days for the number of riders I had - I wanted to get rid of Catalunya or Romandie from my calendar or send fewer riders but TMM decided that I should lose my spot in the Giro. I'm quite disappointed but I still had the Tour de France wildcard so I can send a strong squad there and so could you
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| kimiopn |
Posted on 18-01-2013 23:32
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@ TheManxMissile -
Option 1 and 2 - taking 7 riders to WT races; not participating on a CT race.
To TheManxMissile
Date 18. January 2013 19:54
Subject number of riders
May i take 7 riders to some WT races like Pais Vasco, Romandie or Tour de Suisse?
In order to have 6 guys on every race in CT i can't take 8 (and 9 on GT) to every WT race i'm in.
I prefer to not participate on 2/3 CT competitions but i think that is not reasonable for you, right?
Option 3 - Retrieving Pais Vasco wilcard
To TheManxMissile
Date 18. January 2013 20:03
Subject RE: number of riders
Pais Vasco is enough. With those riders i can cover a better plan. You can give that wild card to a team that doesn't have so many as i do.
Option 4 - Going to Vuelta instead of Giro, and taking out my Pais Vasco wildcard
To TheManxMissile
Date 18. January 2013 21:08
Subject RE: number of riders
If i knew i would have this problem, i wouldn't ask for so many wildcards, but let me remeber you what i said:
"If our arguments for the Giro are not enough we would like to try to go to the Vuelta as we think we have enough arguments to participate on two WT GT."
Option 5 on your own words
From TheManxMissile
Date 18. January 2013 21:23
Subject RE: number of riders
If this causes you to quite go ahead. I'm not going to change my mind. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 18-01-2013 23:35
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Fair enough, confused between PM's
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| fernando97 |
Posted on 18-01-2013 23:38
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Sorry kimiopn, but I still think that you made the mistake by asking for too many wildcards, and to be honest with you, I just don't see why are you so upset... I mean still, you were the one that made the mistake, applying for that many WCs, you could've at least considered the issue before applying...  |
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