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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 19-07-2012 09:21
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Teddy The Creator wrote:
fredinho wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
fredinho wrote:
Fanden wrote:
They're just selling the same game every year with new bugs. Don't give them your money.
Well if more people buy the game they will be able to invest more in programmers / bug testers / staff etc. Not buying the game will only detain the progress concerning PCM 13.
So please don't convince people to not buying the PCM games!
Ohoho,hahah,heheh, ohhhooo.No 
So you seriously believe that if nobody buys the game it will get better or atleast stay the same as this year's edition? That just the opposite of logic
What Avin is saying is that they want you to buy the game so they can swim in pools of cash and sip champagne before they stop and think of more ways to make money. They don't care about fixing bugs or actually making a realistic game. It's all about money.
I think the thing that would make them make some real positive changes would be if no one bought the game. Give them a reality check.
Yeah, this.
But the second side of the coin is, that i cant resist buying it, i get fooled year by year and i am still returning like a sheep.
As i said also earlier somewhere, i would not have a problem with Cyanide taking the year off and releasing the better game in two years time. But they will not do that because of reason Teddy presented nicely.
So when postm00v asked for the opinion, i gave him one, i am not starting some sort of anti-campaign against Cyanide, in the end i am happy there is a cycling manager at all. But that does not prevent me from critics. 
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| fredinho |
Posted on 19-07-2012 09:30
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I know what he is saying, but I disagree. I personally think (and I have explained it above in this thread) that the PCM series have developed alot fron the early days. The graphics are amazing, almost all on this forum is hooked (reff members: stories, db's stages etc). Ofcourse it sux that Cyanid releases a game full of bugs, but with all the patches eventually being released the game will be good and very much playable.
You say that Cyanide wants us to buy the game so that they can swim in a pool of cash. Well ofcourse they do, every singel corporate aims for a surplus, but PCM does not sell alot in the big scale. The paychecs of those who work with PCM have to be paid and if nobody buys the game it will only bring a stop to the PCM series.
In other words: I completely disagree with Avin and you Teddy
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| Teddy The Creator |
Posted on 19-07-2012 09:38
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Teddy The Creator wrote:
fredinho wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
fredinho wrote:
Fanden wrote:
They're just selling the same game every year with new bugs. Don't give them your money.
Well if more people buy the game they will be able to invest more in programmers / bug testers / staff etc. Not buying the game will only detain the progress concerning PCM 13.
So please don't convince people to not buying the PCM games!
Ohoho,hahah,heheh, ohhhooo.No
So you seriously believe that if nobody buys the game it will get better or atleast stay the same as this year's edition? That just the opposite of logic
What Avin is saying is that they want you to buy the game so they can swim in pools of cash and sip champagne before they stop and think of more ways to make money. They don't care about fixing bugs or actually making a realistic game. It's all about money.
I think the thing that would make them make some real positive changes would be if no one bought the game. Give them a reality check.
Yeah, this.
But the second side of the coin is, that i cant resist buying it, i get fooled year by year and i am still returning like a sheep.
As i said also earlier somewhere, i would not have a problem with Cyanide taking the year off and releasing the better game in two years time. But they will not do that because of reason Teddy presented nicely.
So when postm00v asked for the opinion, i gave him one, i am not starting some sort of anti-campaign against Cyanide, in the end i am happy there is a cycling manager at all. But that does not prevent me from critics.
Very much true. We are all sucked into buying it by the hype, even though we know we will be let down. The only PCM game I was actually pleased with when I bought it was PCM10.
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| fredinho |
Posted on 19-07-2012 09:40
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But the Online mode itself is an improvment good enough to buy this years edition? I know it was awesome to play stageraces in the older versions, but the Armada mode have made Onlineplay more available for all...
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| Teddy The Creator |
Posted on 19-07-2012 09:41
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fredinho wrote:
I know what he is saying, but I disagree. I personally think (and I have explained it above in this thread) that the PCM series have developed alot fron the early days. The graphics are amazing, almost all on this forum is hooked (reff members: stories, db's stages etc). Ofcourse it sux that Cyanid releases a game full of bugs, but with all the patches eventually being released the game will be good and very much playable.
You say that Cyanide wants us to buy the game so that they can swim in a pool of cash. Well ofcourse they do, every singel corporate aims for a surplus, but PCM does not sell alot in the big scale. The paychecs of those who work with PCM have to be paid and if nobody buys the game it will only bring a stop to the PCM series.
In other words: I completely disagree with Avin and you Teddy and about 95% of this forum.
Edited by Teddy The Creator on 19-07-2012 09:43
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| fredinho |
Posted on 19-07-2012 09:43
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Teddy The Creator wrote:
[quote]fredinho wrote:
I know what he is saying, but I disagree. I personally think (and I have explained it above in this thread) that the PCM series have developed alot fron the early days. The graphics are amazing, almost all on this forum is hooked (reff members: stories, db's stages etc). Ofcourse it sux that Cyanid releases a game full of bugs, but with all the patches eventually being released the game will be good and very much playable.
You say that Cyanide wants us to buy the game so that they can swim in a pool of cash. Well ofcourse they do, every singel corporate aims for a surplus, but PCM does not sell alot in the big scale. The paychecs of those who work with PCM have to be paid and if nobody buys the game it will only bring a stop to the PCM series.
In other words: I completely disagree with Avin and you Teddy and about 95% of this forum.[/quote]
Read the actual arguments, and don't tell me that PCM 13 havnt developed alot since the 2007 version (the first i Plaid)
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| Lachi |
Posted on 19-07-2012 09:48
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Except Armada nothing important has been added to this game.
But they removed the LAN-mode and the start lists.
Also this game is full of bugs and all the bugs from the previous years are still in the game.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 19-07-2012 09:51
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fredinho wrote:
But the Online mode itself is an improvment good enough to buy this years edition? I know it was awesome to play stageraces in the older versions, but the Armada mode have made Onlineplay more available for all...
I cant argue with you about this, as i sort of boycott armada mode and did not try it, because i hate pay to win model,even more when it replaces favourite features from the past...but i understand many people like it.
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| fredinho |
Posted on 19-07-2012 10:03
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Well yeah I have to agree with Lachi and with you Avin if you refer to the LAN feature. I really really hate that they have removed this option and I can't understand why they did that. And the fact that there are no possibility to play stage races with friends / guys from this forum etc kinda sucks aswell...
But Lachi i refered to Cyanids economic aspect, not the bugs and interface of PCM 13. I agree with you that they have a long way to go with this edition, but not buying the game / making a collective boycott will not serve the PCM series well
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| Lachi |
Posted on 19-07-2012 10:17
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This is not about boycotting a game. What a stupid argument. Somebody asked if he/she should buy the game or not.
I believe you don't want to help him decide. Rather you try to force anybody to buy the game only because you hope that this will prolong the live of this series. What an selfish action.
Edited by Lachi on 19-07-2012 13:26
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| fredinho |
Posted on 19-07-2012 10:33
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You obvioussely havn't red the whole discussion Lachi?
He asked if he should buy the game,
1) Earlier on i wrote that if he like to play online i think he should give this edition a go because of the ARMADA MODE!
2) Since the 2010 edition features like: Riders not riding thourgh each other (whitch is more realistic, and he himself said that it's very important for him that it is realistic). Also the graphics ingame has improved.
3) The continental division has been added.
Yes I PERSONALLY think that he should buy the game BECAUSE I PERSONALLY think that it's better than the 2010 edition. Just because you think it sux doesnt mean that I think so, so be carefull to call it stupid arguments.
Ofcourse it's not about boycotting the game, that was a discussion between Avin and me and it was not inteded to be taken serioussely whitch Avin makes VERY clear if you had read the whole thread.
You also say that I try to force him to buy the game?? How so? By me explaining why I think it would be POSITIVE for the development of the PCM series that many buy the game it suddenly means that I am Selfish? This has nothing to do with him, but me responding to the comments concerning that someone suggest that Cyanid just produces the game to "Swim in a pool of cash".
Please explain
Edited by fredinho on 19-07-2012 10:35
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Posted on 19-07-2012 11:08
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I personally think that Cyanide has had time enough to improve the game considerably, but reading the comments in this thread I'm starting to believe that they didn't.
Also, if a game is bad, it's bad. You shouldn't throw money at it in hope that the sequel will be better. I understand completely why people buy this, but what if PCM13 still isn't upgraded with new features that justify the pricetag ?
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| Lachi |
Posted on 19-07-2012 12:38
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@fredinho: I was referring to the boycott statement being stupid. I thought that would be obviously because I mentioned it.
I recommend that you:
1. Read
2. Think
3. Write (or don't write anything)
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| fredinho |
Posted on 19-07-2012 12:52
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Okey so this is taken completally out of context and is refered to the boycott statement? I think you kinda shot your self in the foot there Lachi.
Lachi wrote:Basically you admit that you don't want to help him decide. Rather you try to force anybody to buy the game only because you hope that this will prolong the live of this series. What an selfish action.
fredinho wrote:
He asked if he should buy the game,
1) Earlier on i wrote that if he like to play online i think he should give this edition a go because of the ARMADA MODE!
2) Since the 2010 edition features like: Riders not riding thourgh each other (whitch is more realistic, and he himself said that it's very important for him that it is realistic). Also the graphics ingame has improved.
3) The continental division has been added.
I suggest that you read your own post, take atleast 30 sec to think, read the whole discussion before commenting on something out of context and THEN you write.
Lachi wrote:
I recommend that you:
1. Read
2. Think
3. Write (or don't write anything)
Edited by fredinho on 19-07-2012 12:56
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| Lachi |
Posted on 19-07-2012 13:25
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If you want to talk to me personally, then use the PM.
My post (#27) was not addressed at you. I am free to post without having read the whole thread. Also I don't have to follow your discussion.
I still believe that your boycott statement was stupid. Furthermore it is not relevant in that thread.
I never said that your other arguments are not valid or stupid. But as I wrote, your boycott statement lead me to believe that you made all your statements only to make somebody buy the game.
BTW: It is always possible to edit your previous posts or delete them completely. I just did by swapping the first two sentences, I hope it is more clear now.
Edited by Lachi on 19-07-2012 13:33
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 19-07-2012 14:55
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fredinho wrote:
He asked if he should buy the game,
1) Earlier on i wrote that if he like to play online i think he should give this edition a go because of the ARMADA MODE!
2) Since the 2010 edition features like: Riders not riding thourgh each other (whitch is more realistic, and he himself said that it's very important for him that it is realistic). Also the graphics ingame has improved.
3) The continental division has been added.
1) Yeah Armada mode is not a bad idea for those who like it. But by buying the game now, about a month after it was released, I think unless he (creator of the thread) pays real money for Cyans he won't have a chance in most games because Cyanide can't make its game main feature working well, and the matchmaking system sucks. I've only played two games in Armada mode but both had at least 2 teams with S. Sanchez, Schleck, and some other riders. And you can't trade cards, etc.
2) That's also present in the PCM11 version, which is much cheaper to buy now and seems to have a more established gameplay.
3) That's actually a nice thing, but it's the only one for career gameplay in PCM12 and it's not 100% well implemented (see sponsor goals).
Then there also the bad things: the terrible interface (imo), the lots of bugs such as the new way to zoom profile, which I don't like that much, not possible to use startlists, schedule messed up in 2nd season, the WCITT messed up.. let's hope it'll get fixed with patches, but there will always be leftovers.
So, in my personal opinion, people should buy PCM12 if they like the Armada idea and are willing to pay for cards. Other than that there are few improvements in PCM12 that justifies its price, and you can get 11 much cheaper with almost the same features (and perhaps better, since the gameplay is not looking that good in 12).
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Posted on 20-07-2012 10:30
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As far as I can see, i won't buy the game this year either. But there is one thing I need to know.
In the new game, are they still using the same rute, every year for the GT's ? |
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| fredinho |
Posted on 20-07-2012 10:31
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Westhamfreak wrote:
As far as I can see, i won't buy the game this year either. But there is one thing I need to know.
In the new game, are they still using the same rute, every year for the GT's ?
Nope
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Posted on 20-07-2012 10:34
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So there are a new rute every season, okay not every season, but you know. |
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Posted on 20-07-2012 10:39
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Yeah the game changes the route every year / season
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