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Value of potential
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| mat4404 |
Posted on 13-10-2011 18:47
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Nice one lad. Just what I wanted to hear. I'll get lowering those max values!!
Hmmm. Just lowered the values, but with no effect. It's strange, I'm getting riders with potential of 5 (Gadret, Van den Broeck, Rujano) with limit_i_mountain of 82. This is strange as this is what my TypeRider_Mountain file looks like for a 5 potential rider:
Potential Value = 5 (Mountain stat):
<proba value="1.00" minmax="4"/>
Potentialmax:
<minmax value="4" min="71" max="74"/>
Any one have any ideas? I though it could be that the current value of a stat cannot exceed the potentialmax stat?
e.g. A rider with 79 in Mou could not have a potential value of less than 6?
Edited by mat4404 on 13-10-2011 19:17
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| Lachi |
Posted on 13-10-2011 19:34
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I think you need to start a new career after you edited these values. |
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| mat4404 |
Posted on 13-10-2011 19:50
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Yeh, I have been doing so. Test careers and then opening them with your editor to have a look.
Just testing my theory of current value being higher than potentialmax leading to strange maximum potentials |
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| mat4404 |
Posted on 13-10-2011 20:20
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Well that failed. I'm really at a loss to explain. Ruben, are you sure that the YoungRiderCarac files dictate the maximum potential for real riders as well as regens? My research is really struggling to back this up.
Do you know what I may be doing wrong, or how i could go about ensuring that riders don't exceed their potential max stat? Thanks |
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| ruben |
Posted on 13-10-2011 23:37
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Ah yes I forgot to tell you the loophole.
A rider who exceeds the stats of his potential will go 3 points beyond his current level.
Quite simple. If you give a rider like Vandenbroeck (81 MO) a potential of 4, he far exceeds his potential. So his new max stat for climbing will be 81+3 = 84 MO (at LEAST, sometimes even 85 MO).
You can't give good riders a low potential to prevent them from developing.
You CAN however give them a new limit yourself, in the DYN_cyclist file in the database itself (with full editor or fast editor)
I don't need to though. I figured out these YoungRiderCarac files completely and mastered the knack of combining good minmax values with potentials so that nobody in the current DB is over their limit for their potential.
So you can do 2 things:
-Give riders a potential fitting to their current stats (a rider with 80+ stats is always AT least a potential 6 rider...), otherwise they will exceed their potential and go overboard
-Give riders your own limits.
Edited by ruben on 13-10-2011 23:39
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| mat4404 |
Posted on 14-10-2011 10:24
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Nice one. As I suspected. I'm fed up with 2 years down the line having 20 riders over 80 for climbing. Have you tried changing the potential max values (the 0-7 values)? I tried it last night but only briefly. Seemed to work ok. I tried to get it so that top end riders are better separated.
Edited by mat4404 on 14-10-2011 10:25
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| ruben |
Posted on 14-10-2011 14:15
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Depends on the DB I'm using.
Usually when a DB comes out with a different stats system I try to adapt the base and maximum caracs in youngridercarac so it fits the database.
So indeed, that after 5 years career, I won't be swamped with too many good riders.
Wether this is 80+ or a database that uses 82 as absolute limit (for example the Full Cycling Manager DB)..I try to adapt 
But these files are very difficult to get right. Because if you make a mistake you get a lot of riders going 'overboard' and a ruined career as result |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 14-10-2011 15:40
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Speaking of potential and max stats values, here's a question: does the number in limit_i_[stat] means only the limit stat for that rider or assures he'll improve up to that number?
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| ruben |
Posted on 14-10-2011 15:49
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limit_i_stat is the limit he can achieve in that stat, he cannot improve beyong (unless you go on training camps and receive a temporary bonus)
He won't always reach that limit though, it depends on training.
Edited by ruben on 14-10-2011 15:49
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| mat4404 |
Posted on 14-10-2011 20:20
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Obviously, ensuring a riders current stat isn't higher than their max stat is a difficult thing. It's easy to do for their primary stats, but harder to do so for the lesser ones.
Another important factor is what type of rider they are: Climber, Tour, Time Trial etc. Does anyone know what file dictates this? As far as I can make out this isn't attributed to a rider until a career is tarted is this correct?
Another quick question, can potential max groups overlap?
e.g:
<minmax value="5" min="79" max="81"/>
<minmax value="6" min="81" max="83"/>
Edited by mat4404 on 14-10-2011 23:39
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| la_triestina |
Posted on 19-04-2012 16:31
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What riders have potential 8 anyway? Apart from Contador of course. Not even Taylor Phinney has potential 8 |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 19-04-2012 16:42
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In the Daily 2012, no rider has potential 8 (Contador and some others had it in the Expansion Pack, but not anymore in the 2012 DB).
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