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Season planner with Sponsor scenarios
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| Lachi |
Posted on 15-01-2012 10:49
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If you have that resolution, then you should see the button if you hide the task bar.
The tabulator would be a key on your keyboard, I just googled the translation it is called "tab" in english. Sorry for that. |
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| Alastairhufc |
Posted on 15-01-2012 10:54
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Lachi wrote:
If you have that resolution, then you should see the button if you hide the task bar.
The tabulator would be a key on your keyboard, I just googled the translation it is called "tab" in english. Sorry for that.
Oh yeah, I never thought of hiding that 
That works, I didn't think of that either  ops:
It added fine but I won't test it in game until tonight...
Thanks for all your help and a fantastic editor+season planner  |
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 01-02-2012 04:14
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This is clearly a poor area of the game so I appreciate the work on trying to fix that. I spent some time playing with it and have some thoughts/questions.
I did not load a save back into the game partly because I need to go to bed soon and partly because my only active save is in the middle of my sponsor contract and I have a secondary sponsor so many of the scenarios didn't apply. So some questions may reflect that lack of testing.
Question are below. They make for a long post, so anyone not intersted can stop reading here. Thanks for the effort on this.
1. Am I correct in assuming this actually modifies your save? So, for example, if I am in the last year of the contract and choose your extension scenario the save will reflect that when I reload it into the game. No further need to worry about looking for a new sponsor? All the rest of my items assumes the answer to this is Yes, but wanted to makes sure I had the basics down.
2. I understand how that would work for the simpler items in your scenarios like contract length. But does the game enforce more subtle things like "secondary sponsor must be in adjacent regions" under secondary sponsor2 or is that up to the player. Another example is making the goals harder under more budget. Since the goals are typically messed up anyway how do you implement that?
3. If yes is the answer to #2, what range of items can you get the game to enforce? I am interested in how you would implement the Gilbert scenario you suggest.
4. I flipped through the 7 scenarios in the version I downloaded (I think the latest). They seemed reasonable to me. The one question I have is that he prolong contract and increase budget scenarios seem to diallow a secondary sponsor in the next season (that box is not checked although I have one in my save game and the contract goes out 2 or 3 years). If I already have a secondary sponsor does that mean you are going to cancel that after the current year. That doesn't seem right and the increases in my contract would not offset the loss of my secondary sponsor
5. For me the weakness that this does not address is that I don't want to choose my own scenario. I want to negotiate it as a result of what has happened in the game. I think this is also why there has not been a lot of reaction to the tool, it is hard to know at what point in your game you should jump to this tool and implement a scenario.
I think we need a front end that replaces what the game does and takes the game results as an input simulates a negotiation and spits out a scenario to apply. I recognize this would require rebuilding a big chunk of the game, but I can dream. Hopefully they will fix it in 12 and solve the problem as I think that this was their original intent.
6. More of a thought than a question: I have thought about creating an excel based tool that will at least kick out reasonable goals for your team given your level and nationality This is much narrower in scope than what you have started on but would be a help since everyone agrees the goals are terrible and I don't like just choosing my own goals. I know the goals don't impact the sponsor search but I like to have a framework to manage against. I can sign any rider I can afford next season, I would love to have some reasonable goals to try and manage to rather than just signing who I feel like. Any ideas on that?
7. Does this work mean you solved the formula behind the value_i_sponsor_future and future2 in dyn_team? I have seen some posts where it is discussed but nothing complete. Am I missing it? |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 01-02-2012 07:24
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The sponsor scenarios are not tested yet, so some might not work in certain moments of your career, for example if your sponsor leaves at the end of the year, prolonging the contract will not work (as far as I know).
But now to your questions:
1. My planner is made to modify the save of your career. But you can choose to save as a new file so you don't risk to destroy your original save.
2. I did not dig into these features any further because I did not get any test feedback until now. I will wait until PCM 2012 before I go deeper, because maybe there will be huge changes in PCM 2012. (At least it would be good because the management part is totally useless now)
3. See 2
4. As far as I remember, this would not happen.
5. Did you ever heard of roleplaying? You could assume that you did negotiate this scenario. The difference between a free choice and a scripted negotiation process is only that you first have to figure out how to achieve the things you want to achieve.
For me this is not a fun part of a game. For example, how silly would you feel if you spent much money on the equipment only to read in the forum, that it does not improve the performance of your riders at all.
6. If you want compile a list of goals based on team strength, then you have to do two things. Create a huge list of goals and group them. Define rules how to measure team strength.
7. As said in the first paragraph, it does not work all the time, but it does work fine if you are not in the last year of your sponsor. |
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 03-02-2012 03:06
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Waiting for 12 makes sense. On #5, I have heard of role playing. In role playing you are given some parameters, there is a universe with a set of rules in whiich you operate. If at any time in the game I can apply a scenario of my choice there are no rules.
I think just a different style of playing. I don't have strong preferences whether my tteam is rich or poor, rides cobbles or grand tours. What I is a challenge of some kind, something to work towards. I can set that myself but I think it is always more interesting if that is imposed by the game because it is too easy to change it later if you set it yourself. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 03-02-2012 10:05
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I mean the real role playing, where you meet with friends and make up the rules yourself.
I do not understand what you mean with "it is too easy to change it later if you set it yourself". You can change every single parameter in your career with an editor, so there always will be the possibility to change anything, and it is very easy. So my planner might be "too easy" but only compared to "easy", which is no problem for me. It is up to you to play like you want and I try to give the best tools to do so.
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 04-02-2012 02:38
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First, the tools are great. My latest season was planned using your planner and you can bet my next one will be too.
You asked for feedback on the scenarios. Part of my feedback was that I don't think the scenario planner addresses the largest gap in this aspect of the game.
My view is the largest gap in management game is it doesn't give you relevant, challenging goals that change as your game progresses.
I don't think it was your intent to solve that problem it was more of wishful thinking on my part about how it might be developed to solve that problem. Given that I don't think the player generating their own goals is a substiture (we may disagree on that point)
On the season planner - what about creating a summary view that would just show you the major races and who you had in them on one screen. Kind of a quick reference summary so you could get an overview of the plan and see if you had gaps - "oops I've go no sprinter assigned to XYZ race." |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 05-02-2012 00:35
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You can do much stuff with my planner already. For example you can build groups of riders (last column in the rider interface). Also you can select if you want to see all races, or only races where you participate in or only races the selected cyclist will participate.
This should get you some overview over the season. |
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| TankNL |
Posted on 27-03-2012 21:11
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@Lachi
in which table is the next year budget stored? I can't seem to find the amount that I have agreed upon for next year. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 27-03-2012 21:22
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I thought I told you already: https://pcmdaily.c...owstart=18
Table DYN_team / Columns: value_i_sponsor_future and value_i_sponsor_future2
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| TankNL |
Posted on 28-03-2012 08:01
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Thanks,
Yes I see the columns, but what is math behind the values... the budget starts with 66 and then comes a number of digits, but thats is not the amount that is agreed upon.
In fact, I've looked at every table in my save game, and I can't find the link to the new sponsor.
So my team had a sponsor contract that was ending... I've agreed upon a new contract with another sponsor. But in which table is the link to the new sponsor stored. The only thing I see is a sort of code in value_i_sponsor_future (or 2)
Any suggestions? |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 28-03-2012 09:16
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Nobody has found out how the numbers in that column are calculated. All I know is that it's a mix of which sponsor you will have next year and what amount he will paying.
You might want to ask Cyanide how they calculated it. |
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| TankNL |
Posted on 28-03-2012 14:42
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Lachi wrote:
Nobody has found out how the numbers in that column are calculated. All I know is that it's a mix of which sponsor you will have next year and what amount he will paying.
You might want to ask Cyanide how they calculated it.
Sounds like a challange 
I'll see what I can find out... |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 28-03-2012 18:43
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Lachi wrote:
Nobody has found out how the numbers in that column are calculated. All I know is that it's a mix of which sponsor you will have next year and what amount he will paying.
You might want to ask Cyanide how they calculated it.
Iirc, it's 65536*IDsponsor+budget/1000. Try out with that and tell if that works.
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| TankNL |
Posted on 28-03-2012 18:54
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Argh, you beat me to it
just found it out by try 3 different amounts in a savegame...
It is indeed 65536*IDsponsor + (budget/1000) |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 28-03-2012 19:31
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It's a privilege to see Cyanide's logic in work (why the f*ck 65536??) 
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| Lachi |
Posted on 28-03-2012 19:36
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https://en.wikiped...6_(number)
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 28-03-2012 19:43
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Ah, that makes more sense. Being clueless in programming made me thought it would be much easier to split the information in two columns (one for the future sponsor, other for the budget).
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| Lachi |
Posted on 28-03-2012 19:50
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Of course it would be easier to have it in separate columns.
It would even be better putting all the sponsor related stuff in a separate table allowing an indefinite number of sponsors and keeping track of all past sponsors of a team. |
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| Abelbaba |
Posted on 29-03-2012 08:44
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hey lachi,
is the link in your first post the latest season planner?
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