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| arthon |
Posted on 10-07-2013 21:37
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alexkr00 wrote:
XxMillad24Xx wrote:
I can't even imagine what this site will be like when the day comes..."Chris Froome has tested positive for (Insert drug here) and police have raided his home/hotel" Oh lord please let this be true someday down the road.
I doubt that will happen. If they haven't been caught so far, they won't be.
We'll probably have some confessions from his team - mates in about 10 years 
Probably from Eddy, a confession along the lines of "...they always gave Chris his bilharzia treatment, but when I wanted some they always told me that I don't need that s**t and that I have natural talent". |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 21:39
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That makes me wonder. What if the bilharzia treatment is the actual doping? |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-07-2013 22:02
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Where's Juan Jose ChoCobo'ps 2011 Vuelta on that list ?
It's a bit hazy, but Piotr Ugrumov and the whole Gewiss squad in 1994 or something. Who the fvck was this guy ? Thankfully (?) he disappeared soon after.
From my tiny cycling knowledge, and though I couldn't watch the last 8 days or so, Jaskula one year before was a bit the same. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-07-2013 22:03
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Aquarius wrote:
Where's Juan Jose ChoCobo'ps 2011 Vuelta on that list ?
It's a bit hazy, but Piotr Ugrumov and the whole Gewiss squad in 1994 or something. Who the fvck was this guy ? Thankfully (?) he disappeared soon after.
From my tiny cycling knowledge, and though I couldn't watch the last 8 days or so, Jaskula one year before was a bit the same.
He was a guy with Grand Tour top 10s who had a 30% haematocrit, so huge potential to improve with EPO. So he started taking it and became a contender
We can only imagine what he could've done if he wasn't 32 when he started on EPO, since years later at 36 he was still contesting the Giro for the win.
Edited by issoisso on 10-07-2013 22:06
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| masch20 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 23:33
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XxMillad24Xx wrote:
I can't even imagine what this site will be like when the day comes..."Chris Froome has tested positive for (Insert drug here) and police have raided his home/hotel" Oh lord please let this be true someday down the road.
so would you be happy if this day comes?Dont we all wish for clean cycling? why would anyone hope that some rider has tested positive.
Its really bizzare! |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-07-2013 23:41
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Miguel98 wrote:
That makes me wonder. What if the bilharzia treatment is the actual doping?
I do severely hope that was not a serious comment. Smileys go a mile here 
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| Stairs |
Posted on 11-07-2013 00:30
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Aquarius wrote:
Where's Juan Jose ChoCobo'ps 2011 Vuelta on that list ?
Yes! That was ridiculous. Actually his whole career. His Pais Vasco 2007, his Tour 2008 and then suddenly the Vuelta 2011-dominance after his self-implosion into obscurity in 2010, just to return to absolute shitness obscurity as soon as 2011 was gone. What a career. Seriously, what's he thinking? Being on a doping programme (or taking care of his training) just once every couple of years? Maybe actual good morals but a real need of money for a new contract once in a while?
Never.
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| XxMillad24Xx |
Posted on 11-07-2013 00:46
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masch20 wrote:
XxMillad24Xx wrote:
I can't even imagine what this site will be like when the day comes..."Chris Froome has tested positive for (Insert drug here) and police have raided his home/hotel" Oh lord please let this be true someday down the road.
so would you be happy if this day comes?Dont we all wish for clean cycling? why would anyone hope that some rider has tested positive.
Its really bizzare!
It's so damn obvious that yes, I want to see it because there is no doubt in my mind that he is doping. This basically is the Armstrong situation playing again. There will be supporters (like you) and doubters (like me) and the arguments will continue unless he's caught. That is how the world of cycling works. deal with it.
Btw, I was an Armstrong supporter, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
"Cycling is now the the world's cleanest sport." - Chris Froome
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 11-07-2013 01:15
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^Absolutely, but sometimes keeping loyal to your convictions makes you look like an ass, and many of these Sky fanboys are looking like some. Open your eyes goddamnit!! |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 11-07-2013 01:45
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Schleck96 wrote:
^Absolutely, but sometimes keeping loyal to your convictions makes you look like an ass, and many of these Sky fanboys are looking like some. Open your eyes goddamnit!!
Yeah some of their argumentation is just plain stupid |
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| masch20 |
Posted on 11-07-2013 01:50
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yeah and some of the arguments that sky is doped is ridicilous! |
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 11-07-2013 01:55
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^Some might be, but that depends on who's using them. I've seen a very very big amount of good arguments saying that many Sky riders are doped, while I've barely seen a single valid argument trying to prove otherwise. |
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| welker3257 |
Posted on 11-07-2013 02:43
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Now I think its quite obvious that Froome is doping. I also think Kennaugh and Porte are also doping. However I don't think Wiggins was doping during his tour win. Does anyone else agree?
Edited by welker3257 on 11-07-2013 02:43
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 11-07-2013 03:09
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welker3257 wrote:
Now I think its quite obvious that Froome is doping. I also think Kennaugh and Porte are also doping. However I don't think Wiggins was doping during his tour win. Does anyone else agree?
Its hard to say but remembering last years tour, it was a team effort that secured Wiggins the win and his TT
But Wiggins had several bad days and seemed very human, it was only Froome who seemed superhuman. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 11-07-2013 03:24
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I think Froome is doping. i think Porte is doping. Wiggins. Kennaugh. Rogers was last year. Kiryienka. Sivtsov. Thomas.
Hell it's probably just the TT handle bars being slightly turned in.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 11-07-2013 08:26
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IncredibleIan wrote:
Just because he is going faster than ever before does not mean that Froome or any of Sky are doping.
Usain Bolt set a new world record when people before him took drugs. Does that mean that he must have taken drugs??
The drug that Armstrong mainly used was EPO which stimulates the production of red blood cells. Froome was born and lived at 6000ft in Africa so genetically he will naturally have more red blood cells than Contador or Armstrong. Also the oxygen dissociation curve for Froome will be shifted to the left favouring the loading of oxygen meaning Froome can exercise aerobically for longer and harder than Contador and Armstrong.
No matter how many high altitude training camps Contador or Armstrong would do they would struggle to shift their dissociation curves to the left as they and their families were not born and did not live at an altitude of above 3000ft.
Please stop wasting your time saying that he MUST have doped when you dont even know how hard he has trained.
I would take this all back if he was doping but I know that he isnt so:
GET A LIFE AND STOP MAKING EXCUSES AS TO WHY HE IS SO GOOD!!
What if i told you that Bolt and rest of Jamaican stars are doped too with high possibility?
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 11-07-2013 08:38
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masch20 wrote:
It has been fairly well publicised that Froome was diagnosed with Bilharzia, a disease caused by parasitic worms that has an impact on the immune system. Froome was first diagnosed with bilharzia in 2011, and was believed to have picked it up in Kenya in November 2010; he also suffered again from the disease in early 2012.
Undoubtedly bilharzia could result in a drop in performance for a professional cyclist.
Another credible theory is that Froome is a natural late developer. Growing up in Kenya and training in South Africa, could easily have stalled his development, compared to what it could have been if he had been with a top European team from a young age. Froome's breakthrough tour came when he had just turned 26; that is a realistic age for a grand tour contender to break through if they have not had top training since a youngster.
Not this sh*t again. Everyone who wants to post something in this tread should read the whole thread before to avoid:
a) bilharzia
b) never tested positive
c) training harder and better
d) late bloomer because he was dancing around fires in Kenya
e) alien give him superpowers (this actually sounds more credible than rest)
f) only italians andspanish dope
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 11-07-2013 08:44
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dienblad wrote:
For sure Froome is a very talented cyclist, just as Armstrong was. I think there is no doubt about it. But the difference between average to good to very good to dominating the worlds biggest race is pretty big.
But then again: when you dominate a sport, you must be a doper, is too easy to say. Don't think Usain Bolt, Michael Phelps, Sven Kramer, Marianne Vos, etcetera, are or have been called a doper.
Wut? Bolt is the most accused one of all times by light year, Jamaica baby!
Vos is clear case to me, Phelps has so wide mouth,m that tere is no dooubt about some HGH use.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 11-07-2013 08:46
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Stairs wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Where's Juan Jose ChoCobo'ps 2011 Vuelta on that list ?
Yes! That was ridiculous. Actually his whole career. His Pais Vasco 2007, his Tour 2008 and then suddenly the Vuelta 2011-dominance after his self-implosion into obscurity in 2010, just to return to absolute shitness obscurity as soon as 2011 was gone. What a career. Seriously, what's he thinking? Being on a doping programme (or taking care of his training) just once every couple of years? Maybe actual good morals but a real need of money for a new contract once in a while?
Chocobo's explanation in 2011 was that he fell into a depression after the 2008 Tour, barely trained and was contemplating suicide until his friends helped him snap out of it in mid 2011
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| Cossack |
Posted on 11-07-2013 09:59
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...and after Vuelta he fell into depression again?  |
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