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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 12-01-2012 14:05
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CAS-case against Alex Rasmussen will be decided in May.
Edited by CrueTrue on 12-01-2012 14:16
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| andy222c |
Posted on 12-01-2012 14:34
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CrueTrue wrote:
CAS-case against Alex Rasmussen will be decided in May.
That's god damn long time! I hope he'll not be affected by the long waiting time when the season starts.
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 12-01-2012 14:43
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Aquarius wrote:
You don't seem to understand how clenbuterol works, do you ?
You take it some day (during one or two weeks, something like that), your muscles start growing and strengthening. That'll last for months, if not more. But clenbuterol will have vanished from your body, say one week after you last took it.
That's why even if it's only a small amount that has been found, he should be banned.
It's some absolutely biased logic to say only a small amount has been found, so he only took or eat very little of it, and would have gained almost no performance from it.
I never knew how Clenbuterol works, I never heard of it before the Contador saga, thanks for the heads up 
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| andy222c |
Posted on 12-01-2012 14:58
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Aquarius wrote:
You don't seem to understand how clenbuterol works, do you ?
You take it some day (during one or two weeks, something like that), your muscles start growing and strengthening. That'll last for months, if not more. But clenbuterol will have vanished from your body, say one week after you last took it.
That's why even if it's only a small amount that has been found, he should be banned.
It's some absolutely biased logic to say only a small amount has been found, so he only took or eat very little of it, and would have gained almost no performance from it.
But why didn't they find any drugs days or weeks before the positive test? Contador constantly gets tested for doping and especially under the Tour, but only that single test on the rest day showed a trace of clenbuterol.
Therefore it's seems quite impossible for Contador to have taking anymore but what they've found - Which means that the clenbuterol have come into his body mistakenly, because it's already proved that you can't dope yourself with such little amount.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 12-01-2012 15:41
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Indeed, the clenbuterol came mistakenly into AC's body. He just wanted blood.
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| andy222c |
Posted on 12-01-2012 15:46
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kumazan wrote:
Indeed, the clenbuterol came mistakenly into AC's body. He just wanted blood.
Or meat...
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 12-01-2012 15:47
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andy222c wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
You don't seem to understand how clenbuterol works, do you ?
You take it some day (during one or two weeks, something like that), your muscles start growing and strengthening. That'll last for months, if not more. But clenbuterol will have vanished from your body, say one week after you last took it.
That's why even if it's only a small amount that has been found, he should be banned.
It's some absolutely biased logic to say only a small amount has been found, so he only took or eat very little of it, and would have gained almost no performance from it.
But why didn't they find any drugs days or weeks before the positive test? Contador constantly gets tested for doping and especially under the Tour, but only that single test on the rest day showed a trace of clenbuterol.
Therefore it's seems quite impossible for Contador to have taking anymore but what they've found - Which means that the clenbuterol have come into his body mistakenly, because it's already proved that you can't dope yourself with such little amount.
Ever heard of blood doping?
andy222c wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Indeed, the clenbuterol came mistakenly into AC's body. He just wanted blood.
Or meat...
The meat story ... yes. So tell me, how many cows did the EU find clenbuterol in when they last made a test of 80.000 cows (with 20.000 of them being cows in Spain)? None.
Also, Contador tested positive. The burden of proving his innocence is therefore on him. A story about meat ... well, I hope for his own sake that he has some proof. Otherwise, it's just that - a story.
Edited by CrueTrue on 12-01-2012 15:49
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| kumazan |
Posted on 12-01-2012 15:51
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andy222c wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Indeed, the clenbuterol came mistakenly into AC's body. He just wanted blood.
Or meat...
Or maybe Peruvian candies borrowed from Simoni... 
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 12-01-2012 15:52
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In Contadors defence; look how big and strong cows are, do you really think they could have gotten that strong without clenbuterol? |
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| andy222c |
Posted on 12-01-2012 16:02
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What could blood doping had done for not testing him positive?
About the meat story - I just made a quick research and found out that there are about 90.000.000 cows in europe. So 80.000 tested cows may be quite a few number when deciding the credebility of the research...
But yes, i agree with you - I also hope that he'll have some real proofs, and not just theories.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 12-01-2012 16:19
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Clenbuterol is said to have several effects. Aqua mentioned one of them being that it makes the muscle grow. It can also be used to lose weight. Either way, it's a product that's best used in the preparation phase. For a cyclist, that'd be early in the year.
As a part of his preparations, Contador uses clenbuterol. Some of his blood is also withdrawn from his body, so it can get packed with some nice, "fuelled" blood cells - as said, this is done early in the season, e.g. February.
In the Tour - usually on rest days - riders get their blood back. Unfortunately for Contador, there's a very little rest of clenbuterol left in the blood from February, and this is discovered by the Cologne lab which has finetuned its controlling methods.
It's the exact same reason why Landis was caught. Remember how he protested for years that he hadn't used testosterone? He hadn't - not during the Tour. But he did do a blood transfusion which had a little rest of testosterone which he had used earlier in the season.
It's a very common method. What went "wrong" is simply that Cologne over the year got better at finding clenbuterol.
Obviously, this is just a much a theory as Contador's meat story. But while there are circumstantial evidence that makes the blood doping theory like, e.g. the amount of plasticizers found in Contador's blood, there's absolutely nothing that we know of that suggest that Contador's story is true.
About your cow numbers - I'm not going to teach you about statistics and probability (feel free to search for null hypothesis and stuff like that yourself), but I can assure you that a sample of 80.000 cows is more than enough to say something on the general level.
Obviously, I can't deny that there may be a cow or two between the 90.000.000 cows that has clenbuterol inside it, though. But again, please keep in mind that a lot of tests were done on the cows from the butcher that apparently sold the famous steak to Contador - no clenbuterol found. |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 12-01-2012 16:51
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Nice explanation CT, but to me one word comes to mind CHEAT |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 12-01-2012 17:35
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andy222c wrote:
But why didn't they find any drugs days or weeks before the positive test? Contador constantly gets tested for doping and especially under the Tour, but only that single test on the rest day showed a trace of clenbuterol.
No, he tested positive for that four days in a row. Which is logical, unless he's change his blood totally.
Also, Crue True, the blood doping habits have changed since 2006. They used to do about 500 ml two or three times (right prior to the start, and on rest days, generally), now they'd rather do 150, 200 or 300 ml, but every three or four days, so that it's not too obvious on blood passport tests. |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 12-01-2012 19:56
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Oh goodies, Henao looks set to ride Giro
Challenge de Mallorca
Vuelta al Algarve
Giro di Sardegna
Altitude training Colombia
Vuelta al PaÃs Vasco
Liege-Bastogne-Liege
Giro d'Italia
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 12-01-2012 20:03
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Alakagom wrote:
Vuelta al Algarve
Really...?
Anyway, interesting calendar. Would be great to see a good performance from him in Italy.
Edited by FreitasPCM on 12-01-2012 20:03
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| laidbackmarc |
Posted on 12-01-2012 20:12
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Don't know if it has been posted yet, but Omega Pharma - Quickstep will present their team tomorrow 11:00 a.m. CET.
Will it be better than RadioShack - Nissan - Trek's presentation?
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 12-01-2012 20:15
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FreitasPCM wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Vuelta al Algarve
Really...?
Anyway, interesting calendar. Would be great to see a good performance from him in Italy.
Well obviously its Volta ao Algarve, but I was in a hurry writing 
Yea, Siutsou is designated leader for Sky at Giro, but you never know so Henao might be a co leader. Should be great watching him. Also Sky is going for stage hunting in Giro, so expect Henao not going for GC rather than stages/ KoM. They also likely to bring Appollonio, Cavedish and Swift from what it looks so far, along Thomas. Dowsett likely to debut too, so the train will look great 
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| kumazan |
Posted on 12-01-2012 20:48
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I guess Henao will have a free role in the Giro, it's not like Siutsou will need much help from domestiques anyway, other than to pace him whenever he's dropped if he has a decent GC.
I just hope Sky don't go full HTC-esque and make him work in Cavendish's leadout train.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 12-01-2012 21:55
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Euskaltel cuts its ties to the Basque region, according to some sources. Instead, it will become a "traditional", corporate team.
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| tastasol |
Posted on 12-01-2012 21:55
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Sources?
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